Micro 444 molliegeddon [OVER]

[Varsoon]

THERES NO WAY THIS SETUP HAS SO MANY X ROLES

First of all, it's closed. We could all have a protective role. You don't fucking know, so don't act like some sort of setup mastermind.

SO THEREFORE SOMEONE HAS TO BE LYING

Way to warp non-information (lolclaims) into worthless pushes on people.
This is why I fucking hate claims. It allows people leeway to make a high-power push on players over what is literally arbitrary, easily manipulated garbage.
I signed up to play a game of rhetoric, not one where everyone shits on a plate and then someone decides who has the stinkiest shit.

[Varsoon]

I'm so done.
Lynch me if that makes me scum,
whatever.

[mastin2]

I need mastin to clarify with anti whether or not ascetic is only for night actions or if it includes day actions.

*cough*

And I checked my role PM and asked the mod just to confirm right now, it's ANY action except kills that will fail.

Any action = includes day actions.

I do not believe there are 3 protective roles in this town.

Given the negative utility roles (that'd be me and Kaboose for just a start), I can see it.

Mind you, I can also see it as scum having the same role.

Right now I don't really have any true townread except Kaboose, or any true scumread except ETL.

[T S O]

etl needs to dayaction varsoon because lc and varsoon cannot co-exist imo

[helium-3]

LC - night.

There may have been a mod error.

We got the PM for the invention 8 minutes after night started. We used it last night.

@mod: can you confirm whether or not there was an error?

there was no error in the action resolution last night

[mastin2]

And I'm enacting general Mastin policy:
Factor in roleclaims into the process, but don't try to break the setup off of it and to just do normal scumhunting instead.

[Varsoon]

etl needs to dayaction varsoon because lc and varsoon cannot co-exist imo

Or we can and you're just trying to force a stupid 1v1 because LOLCLAIMS

I fucking hate claims.

[Varsoon]

Did I say I was a Jailkeeper? Clearly, I meant to say I was a seraph-knight back-up cop, odd night Jailkeeper.
Like, seriously, what the fuck.
Furthermore, why the fuck would I claim something incriminating when literally all the other claims were on the table?
People on this site never fucking -think-, you just go with the simplest, stupidest options, time after time.

[Drunken Lies]

lol mastin. I'm still a "scumread". you are so full of shit it's unbelievable.

someone explain why flubber's action failed.

LC I asked mod. waiting for response.

also varsoon, this was advertised as role madness. why are you getting ridiculous?

[T S O]

okay can you shut up now v

[Drunken Lies]

etl needs to dayaction varsoon because lc and varsoon cannot co-exist imo

lc is lying I'm pretty sure. but why can't they coexist?

[T S O]

LC - night.

There may have been a mod error.

We got the PM for the invention 8 minutes after night started. We used it last night.

@mod: can you confirm whether or not there was an error?

there was no error in the action resolution last night

the thread was locked when I performed my action, but Thor had not flipped.

I count that as night - it's possible the moderator doesn't.

[T S O]

*ebwop: no lynch had not flipped

[Varsoon]

I'm not ridiculous--ridiculous people are the ones acting like claims in a role madness game (or any game that's not open setup) have some sort of value to them.
It bugs me.
You probably would like me to shut up because I'm calling you out on your bullshit, TSO.

[T S O]

You probably would like me to shut up, TSO.

Yes. Quite true.

[Drunken Lies]

I'm not ridiculous--ridiculous people are the ones acting like claims in a role madness game (or any game that's not open setup) have some sort of value to them.
It bugs me.
You probably would like me to shut up because I'm calling you out on your bullshit, TSO.

why do you want to check kaboose?

mastin you need to give me 3 cop targets.

dgb still needs to post. I'm not doing anything until I get what I've asked for.

[Drunken Lies]

Somebody explain how Flubber's action failed.

[Varsoon]

Like, I'm gonna try to chill out, but it really pisses me off when players try to get away with
-Forcing claims
-Acting like claims have any power in a closed setup
-Basing play off of claims

It's a setup for failure.

I also can't stand when people tell me to shut up.
It's a forum game. I should be able to contribute my thoughts and ideas. I'm sorry that they're at odds with yours. You don't have to be a suffocating jerk about it, though.

P-EDIT:
I had Kaboose there because I don't want to clear Kaboose based off his claim.
:l

[Varsoon]

Somebody explain how Flubber's action failed.

Claims are stupid and people are lying.
Oho, it's that easy.

[Drunken Lies]

no fighting. go take a breather if you need to.

I'm going to bed right now. will post answer when I hear from mod. no reply yet.

pedit I'm still gonna ask for an explanation.

[T S O]

Yes, Varsoon, you may contribute your thoughts, I agree - but having multiple fucking claim rants is just indulging yourself needlessly and arrogantly.

[mastin2]

mastin you need to give me 3 cop targets.

Like I care.

I don't think you're telling the truth about your role.
If you are, then my only scumread is wrong. So not Kaboose, but other than that?
Fair game.
Flubber/TSO/LC/Varsoon/DGB. Five targets. I have no preference on which.

Somebody explain how Flubber's action failed.

LC's invention-from-TSO.
Roleblocker.
Varsoon's JK got redirected.
Fluminator was lying.
Probably half a dozen more I'm not thinking of.
Take your pick.

You're not as stupid as you're pretending to be.

[Lying Cat]

This is why I fucking hate claims. It allows people leeway to make a high-power push on players over what is literally arbitrary, easily manipulated garbage.
I signed up to play a game of rhetoric, not one where everyone shits on a plate and then someone decides who has the stinkiest shit.

If you're going to throw a stupid tantrum again, can you replace out right away and save us the time?

The argument "maybe the game isn't balanced, it's role madness!" is either so stupid you should be legally prohibited from holding a driver's license, or scum.

someone explain why flubber's action failed.

See "Cards on the Table" below.

the thread was locked when I performed my action, but Thor had not flipped.

I count that as night - it's possible the moderator doesn't.

Oh OK. Pre-flip is twilight. That fits.

Given the negative utility roles (that'd be me and Kaboose for just a start), I can see it.

Mind you, I can also see it as scum having the same role.

We have three claimed negative utilities. You, Kaboose, and DGB. ETL's is IMO functionally a one shot vig with less swing. DGB and your role could both be positive scum utility. Varsoon's role is almost certainly scum utility.

CARDS ON THE TABLE:

We received an invention last night that gave us a commute. We were able to use the power in the same night. Based on message timestamping and the fact that Flubber's action failed, I knew the invent had to have been used

before

night proper started. Since the nature of our received role was

incredibly

protown and

incredibly

useless to scum, TSO is now confirmed. Similarly, Flubber is confirmed for knowing that we were untargetable last night and claiming a friendly neighbor. He absolutely targeted us last night, and 1-shot FN cuts off utility for his fakeclaim if he were scum.

We naturally have a targeting protective role. The plan at daystart was to get TSO to confirm himself to us, then protect him tonight.

We want ETL to use her shot on mastin IF the shot will be refunded if we get a 'No Result.' I think Varsoon is the best other target, followed by DGB.

I'm around for a bit if you have any questions.

-sthar8

[Varsoon]

So I'm not allowed to be upset over things and voice that?
Got it. I'll just humbly comply with whatever anyone does.
Also, telling someone to replace out is poor form.

So, you're claiming that someone used a night action that gave you a night action that you got to use in the same night, and that you also get to confirm another person as town in a setup that already has multiple claimed/flipped investigative roles?
I don't really follow.

[Varsoon]

-You received an 'invention'? (I assume it's a one-shot use power that can be sent to you during night phase?)
-Said invention is very protown?
-You were able to use that invention the same night you received it
-You knew the invention had to have been used before the night started? What? Or do you mean the person had to send it to you during day phase? I don't understand.

So you're claiming that you, TSO, and Flubber are now confirmed town?

Okay.