Mini 1646: Quil's Smalltown (Game over!)


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Post Post #625 (ISO) » Thu Feb 26, 2015 8:10 am

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Subject: Open 408 - Player Flavor - GAME OVER - NOOB MOD - ALL WIN

Chrimi wrote:
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10. A simple majority of all living players must agree on one person (via voting) for a Lynch to occur (simple majority = ½ # of living players +1, rounded down). If no one has a simple majority of votes at deadline a No Lynch will occur.


Every mod does it differently? You did it exactly the same way.
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Post Post #626 (ISO) » Thu Feb 26, 2015 8:12 am

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In post 625, Bookitty wrote:Subject: Open 408 - Player Flavor - GAME OVER - NOOB MOD - ALL WIN

Chrimi wrote:
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10. A simple majority of all living players must agree on one person (via voting) for a Lynch to occur (simple majority = ½ # of living players +1, rounded down). If no one has a simple majority of votes at deadline a No Lynch will occur.


Every mod does it differently? You did it exactly the same way.

Check the date on that game hun.
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Post Post #627 (ISO) » Thu Feb 26, 2015 8:15 am

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Mmmm hmmm.

You forgot all you ever knew about how Mafia worked, then?
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Post Post #628 (ISO) » Thu Feb 26, 2015 8:21 am

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In post 627, Bookitty wrote:Mmmm hmmm.

You forgot all you ever knew about how Mafia worked, then?

No, just some details such as that one (I've never seen a no lynch reached that way so)

Are you really, /actually/ accusing me of trying to misguide people for not remembering that?
Really?


I'm starting to think you're just fucking stupid, not necessarily scum.
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Post Post #629 (ISO) » Thu Feb 26, 2015 8:28 am

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In post 628, Viomi wrote:No, just some details such as that one (I've never seen a no lynch reached that way so)


Again, this is just not true.

Subject: Open 398 - Alternating 9p- End of game

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The deadline expired 3 hours ago so there is no lynch. (Sorry busy)

You have 72 hours to send in Night actions


You were scum in that game.
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Post Post #630 (ISO) » Thu Feb 26, 2015 9:19 am

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In post 629, Bookitty wrote:
In post 628, Viomi wrote:No, just some details such as that one (I've never seen a no lynch reached that way so)


Again, this is just not true.

Subject: Open 398 - Alternating 9p- End of game

Captain Haddock wrote:
The deadline expired 3 hours ago so there is no lynch. (Sorry busy)

You have 72 hours to send in Night actions


You were scum in that game.


Do I look like I remember a game from 2012

You're trying so hard to paint me as scummy for not remembering this it's silly
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Post Post #631 (ISO) » Thu Feb 26, 2015 9:20 am

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Can you link me to a completed game of yours in which the highest vote getter was lynched automatically at deadline and no lynch was not possible?

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Post Post #632 (ISO) » Thu Feb 26, 2015 10:29 am

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I did a little survey myself of Viomi's recent completed games. I have yet to find one in which a plurality lynch was used. All that I have looked at so far have used a majority lynch/no lynch model. So I'm not sure where she's deriving her "all mods do it differently" stance, since that isn't supported by her own ruleset choice as a mod nor by her apparent experiences here.

Please hammer.
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Post Post #633 (ISO) » Thu Feb 26, 2015 11:00 am

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There are 9 hours left and none of the {Viomi, Boo, Anti} wagon ideas appeal to me.

I would rather lynch Ascetic scum and have it go to a more-null Backup than lynch one of my townreads. I'm going to actively refuse to see "reason" when it comes to this.
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Post Post #634 (ISO) » Thu Feb 26, 2015 11:07 am

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Have you read Viomi's recent posts, Marquis?

Do you have meta for her?
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Post Post #635 (ISO) » Thu Feb 26, 2015 11:11 am

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Have read, it's squicky, no meta, just faith in it being a bad alternative to Aronis
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Post Post #636 (ISO) » Thu Feb 26, 2015 11:12 am

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Given that we have nine hours before deadline, I don't think an Aronis lynch is feasible anyway. I'm more confident where I am.

I'd really prefer not to no-lynch though :(
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Post Post #637 (ISO) » Thu Feb 26, 2015 11:26 am

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do not stick me w/ ascetic for fucks sake
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Post Post #638 (ISO) » Thu Feb 26, 2015 11:27 am

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In post 579, Bookitty wrote:
In post 577, Viomi wrote:If we lynch Bookitty today, Universal Backup will get their investigate role, leaving us much better off.


I want this noted. I'm actually okay with this if that's how people want to go, but Antihero is another scumread of Viomi's and when I flip town, I surmise that she's going to try to get the role lynched yet again. If she really believed that both I and Antihero were scum, then I don't believe she'd be pushing to give a power role to another so-called scum.

Antihero, do you want my role? My flip or her lynch may be the only way to stop the incessant spamming about how I'm such obvscum. I'm good either way.


or we could...



like...


lynch viomi

that sounds good
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Post Post #639 (ISO) » Thu Feb 26, 2015 11:47 am

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I'd be fine flashwagoning Aronis to get rid of the Ascetic since I can't investigate him.

But I'm not going to do it unless there's a wagon already because I'll be around for deadline.
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Post Post #640 (ISO) » Thu Feb 26, 2015 11:58 am

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Yea I'm crap out of time.

The too short don't have time for more, is that kitty's reads are a stretch. Her scum read on vio is for wording, which is not a scum tell. Accusing vio of trying to misreprent the wagon lynch, which anyone with a fucking brain could read the rules and the fact she has been talking about lynching aronis because he can't be checked but doesn't lynch him and it's not till I mention the back up role she protects aronis who has done shit all under the attack.

Lynch arnois or kitty results are scum in my view.
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Post Post #641 (ISO) » Thu Feb 26, 2015 1:00 pm

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@Farside: Lynching Aronis results in Anti becoming investigation and tracking immune. Viomi was already pushing that lynch, so that would only add fuel to the fire there.

I can't be around at deadline as far as I know right now. I will try, but I can't promise that :(

I've been pretty careful not to give my reads so as not to tip my hand to scum, Farside. I wish you had done the same, because I believe at this point you have set yourself up to be the most beneficial nightkill for scum.

Viomi suggested that she would be a deadline plurality lynch even without a hammer. Victor saw it too; I wasn't alone in this. I looked at her games and found not even one example of that being the case. She even modded a game in which the ruleset said that if there wasn't a majority lynch there was no lynch. Viomi said she had never seen a No Lynch occur when there wasn't a majority lynch. I posted the proof that this was not so, either.

Why would she propose something that has not occurred in any of her games that I can find (and she hasn't provided even one example either)? If it was so innocuous, why would Victor notice it immediately too?

I thought Aronis was likely scum. You said no for meta reasons. I haven't been able to get a read on him even after doing a minor meta dive. You consider him scum now because he hasn't posted content which... he hadn't done before either!

I think Viomi is scum. You are saying no because ... why? You wouldn't give this kind of leeway to ANYONE else. Is it just because I think she's scum? Are you reading past that to actually see what she's said?

If you are town, then you are so confbiased that you are being absolutely useless to town.
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Post Post #642 (ISO) » Thu Feb 26, 2015 1:03 pm

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In post 639, xRECKONERx wrote:I'd be fine flashwagoning Aronis to get rid of the Ascetic since I can't investigate him.

But I'm not going to do it unless there's a wagon already because I'll be around for deadline.


The issue is that Anti will inherit the role, creating another situation in which someone else can't be investigated nor tracked. We're trading one Ascetic for another.
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Post Post #643 (ISO) » Thu Feb 26, 2015 1:27 pm

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Hun you realize I do as a mod, lynches like that. It's not that uncommon in my world.
What your not telling me is why that is scummy?
I didn't read Everything because I am now bowling here, but I don't see any advantage to being wrong about the rules here. If she's never done something like that as you sa, how does she know something like that or even suggest the idea.
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Post Post #644 (ISO) » Thu Feb 26, 2015 1:34 pm

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In post 619, Viomi wrote:Sadly, none of them are as bad as you so I probably won't get hammered... I'll just get auto-lynched by deadline.


You're seriously telling me you don't understand why a scum at L-1 would say that? You see no advantage for scum in making town think that they will be auto-lynched anyway without any need for town to check in later?

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Post Post #645 (ISO) » Thu Feb 26, 2015 1:35 pm

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In post 644, Bookitty wrote:
In post 619, Viomi wrote:Sadly, none of them are as bad as you so I probably won't get hammered... I'll just get auto-lynched by deadline.


You're seriously telling me you don't understand why a scum at L-1 would say that? You see no advantage for scum in making town think that they will be auto-lynched anyway without any need for town to check in later?

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No.

People check things typically.
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Post Post #646 (ISO) » Thu Feb 26, 2015 1:37 pm

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Let me rephrase. I would recheck that rule.
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Post Post #647 (ISO) » Thu Feb 26, 2015 1:41 pm

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Then vote me, please, Farside. It's preferable to an Aronis lynch that just sticks Anti with the same role and the same issues tomorrow. At least Anti hasn't been put on your hit list yet so you'll have to find someone else to put in that third slot (and PLEASE for the love of GOD don't tell everyone who that is) and maybe, just by accident, you'll hit scum.
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Post Post #648 (ISO) » Thu Feb 26, 2015 1:42 pm

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You have read no one but me and vio think your scum right?
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Post Post #649 (ISO) » Thu Feb 26, 2015 1:49 pm

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I think people will see the logic of my plan, especially if the alternative is a no-lynch. I don't need them to think I'm scum. I need them to realise that Anti will be more effective in this role than I can be given your intended use of your role and the walls of text we've already endured.

I think Aronis is the most likely lynch for tomorrow pending investigative results. By saving that lynch for tomorrow, we can also avoid keeping the role around.

I see no way short of my flip that I can convince you that I am town. It feels to me as if you are determined to be in opposition to anything I say. I'm resigned to that at this point, but you don't have that issue with Anti so far as I know. Let's give the role to him and actually help town win.

If you think Viomi is town despite everything, that's on you at this point, not me.
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