(Hilariously) Unbalanced Mafia 2 [Over]

Pirate Ika · Post Post #5800 (ISO) » Thu Feb 26, 2015 10:34 am

bear doesnt have to do jack shit titus, bear could just block nobody and kill nobody and let us decimate each other due to your stupid idea of commies.

this isnt even an argument of what is "optimal play" this is an argument of how many different scenarios can play out and still lead to an end results that results in a loss.

bear and block and no kill
bear can kill and not block
bear kill and not block

theres 101 ways to avoid your idea, or we can cut your crap and lync the fucking bear and be done with the damned game

Titus · Post Post #5801 (ISO) » Thu Feb 26, 2015 10:48 am

All of those scenarios end with Bear losing.

If Fin3 flips commie, Bear must shoot Ank and no block to have any shot at winning.

If Fin3 flips town, Bear has to shoot Ank to have any shot at winning. Her going off script only hurts her.

You can keep digging up boogeymen, or you can try a specific scenario where town loses.

You sound like panicked scum.

My plan is exactly Fin3's plan but swapping the order of lynches to protect against commies

Titus · Post Post #5802 (ISO) » Thu Feb 26, 2015 10:50 am

If there are no commies, then the plan still works and it's the same exact body count as if we lynch Bear today and Fin3 tomorrow with his plan.

Pirate Ika · Post Post #5803 (ISO) » Thu Feb 26, 2015 10:53 am

Say what you like titus, i jsut catn wait for post game.

Mollies is now on the phone with em and she already told me to stpo cus she gonna take over the posting for the moment.

Titus · Post Post #5804 (ISO) » Thu Feb 26, 2015 10:55 am

Ika, for your 101 ways to break my plan, you cannot even post one specific one can you?

You are a commie aren't you?

Pirate Ika · Post Post #5805 (ISO) » Thu Feb 26, 2015 11:00 am

McCarthyism is alive itt.

Pirate Ika · Post Post #5806 (ISO) » Thu Feb 26, 2015 11:08 am

a) you don't make deals with grpscum. indies sure, even a sk, yeah but not with grpscum who is trying with their last dying breath to somehow make deals with the last scum in the game (and I still think there is 1 but we will see) and dupe stupid town.
b) McCarthyism is alive itt.

guess who they think are stupid town.

Titus · Post Post #5807 (ISO) » Thu Feb 26, 2015 11:13 am

Ika, stop fear mongering. I asked you to shut the hell up. Adages do not matter here. Evidence does. Break my plan ir vote for it.

Nobody Special · Post Post #5808 (ISO) » Thu Feb 26, 2015 11:14 am

In post 5797, Pirate Ika wrote: and get rid of KPN

Who/what is KPN?

In post 5800, Pirate Ika wrote:or we can cut your crap and lync the fucking bear and be done with the damned game

A) If you are town, 'getting done with the game' when you are assured to lose that way is playing against your wincon.

B) Have you claimed?

C) I seem to recall a massclaim (because I remember claiming). Did anyone post a summary?

Nobody Special · Post Post #5809 (ISO) » Thu Feb 26, 2015 11:15 am

Titus, have you claimed?

Titus · Post Post #5810 (ISO) » Thu Feb 26, 2015 11:17 am

KPN is kill per night.

I am town insane cop.
Elk is the dictator claiming town tracker.
Muffin claims miller.
ika claims X shot bp.
Ank is X shot bp miller vig or sk.
Fin3 claims normal vig.
NS claims vt.
Bear claims hippie roleblocker.

Pirate Ika · Post Post #5811 (ISO) » Thu Feb 26, 2015 11:18 am

In post 5808, Nobody Special wrote:
In post 5797, Pirate Ika wrote: and get rid of KPN

Who/what is KPN?

In post 5800, Pirate Ika wrote:or we can cut your crap and lync the fucking bear and be done with the damned game

A) If you are town, 'getting done with the game' when you are assured to lose that way is playing against your wincon.

B) Have you claimed?

C) I seem to recall a massclaim (because I remember claiming). Did anyone post a summary?

KPN=kills per night

A) ill get mollie to respond to that cus mines is jsut going to be snark

B) yes

C) one sec i can go find the quote

In post 5809, Nobody Special wrote:Titus, have you claimed?

She claimed cop

Pirate Ika · Post Post #5812 (ISO) » Thu Feb 26, 2015 11:19 am

In post 5807, Titus wrote:Ika, stop fear mongering. I asked you to shut the hell up. Adages do not matter here. Evidence does. Break my plan ir vote for it.

that was mollie titus. shes coming back in a min

Titus · Post Post #5813 (ISO) » Thu Feb 26, 2015 11:22 am

Whicher head is posting on ika's account, I am asking for both heads to be quiet unless you broke my plan because mine has a commie failsafe.

Pirate Ika · Post Post #5814 (ISO) » Thu Feb 26, 2015 12:06 pm

no. we are lynching claimed scum today.

Titus · Post Post #5815 (ISO) » Thu Feb 26, 2015 12:20 pm

That assures a commie victory, so no we are not.

Titus · Post Post #5816 (ISO) » Thu Feb 26, 2015 12:21 pm

In post 5813, Titus wrote:Whicher head is posting on ika's account, I am asking for both heads to be quiet unless you broke my plan because mine has a commie failsafe.

^^^ This ika for the live of God.

Ankamius · Post Post #5817 (ISO) » Thu Feb 26, 2015 4:04 pm

In post 5791, Titus wrote:I think the objectively proper play is to lynch Fin3. If he's town, we still shoot according to his plan. Lynch bear tomorrow.
so it would look like

Fin3 lynched today --- Commie Flip
Ank shoots ika and Bear shoots Muffin
Lynch Bear or thelk
Ank shoots the other
gg town win

What if the scum decide to snipe town?

Fin3 lynched and flips town

Ank shoots theelk
Bear shoots Ank (in case of serial killer)
Dictator has shot

5 alive starting tomorrow
Lynch Bear
Ank shoots if game is not over

Town wins

If this really is the case, it works about as well as can be expected. Assuming that elk and Bear both shoot town, then it doesn't matter what happens D6 as long as I'm not lynched. If there's one kill other than mine, then no lynch wins town the game 100%.

Pirate Ika · Post Post #5818 (ISO) » Thu Feb 26, 2015 5:37 pm

ank

if you buy/feed into titus's bs i will hurt you.

if there is a fourth scum team composed of oh lets say 2 players, then it is 3+3+2 (assuming no more dictators)+2 (I MEAN UNLESS TITUS IS STUPIDLY POSITING THAT THERE IS A 3 MAN COMMIE TEAM LOL). in a game with 27 players. thats 10 scum. do you hear me? 10 SCUM. THAT IS A 1:2.7 TOWN TO SCUM RATIO. NO FUCKING WAY WLD MASTINA BE ALLOWED TO GET AWAY WITH THAT SET UP COS SHE WLD HAVE 17 PISSED OFF TOWN WHO WLD PROBABLY NEVER PLAY ANOTHER MASTINA GAME AGAIN ME BEING 1 OF THEM. MASTINA IS NOT GONNA DO THAT.

even if 1 were to argue that "oh there are different scum teams and scum don't know who is not on their team!" they still know who IS when town didn't even so much as have masons or an IC. I am telling you mastina is not going to risk her rep for that.

hilariously unbalanced means there is some mod fuckery going on, not completely unwinneable for town. even if town lynched successfully every day and the vigs vigged correctly every time unless scum died in xkills town still wldn't win. ffs do the math.

you flat out do not make deals with scum when you are town. bear has said of course they are reaching out to scum. they have scumclaimed. we are lynching them. the only 1 arguing against this is titus.

if you are town plz do the right thing. lynching bear is the best play.

Pirate Ika · Post Post #5819 (ISO) » Thu Feb 26, 2015 5:38 pm

ALSO ^ WAS MOLLIE IN CASE ANY1 WAS WONDERING

Muffin · Post Post #5820 (ISO) » Thu Feb 26, 2015 6:12 pm

Inb4 "hilarious unbalanced"

Titus · Post Post #5821 (ISO) » Thu Feb 26, 2015 7:56 pm

In the commie scenario,

The communists have a chance of being dicks to town but you and Bear are giving yourselves a zero chance of winning by leaving commies alive.

In no commies scenario,

The analysis makes sense.

Since town wins either way, let's use the no commies fail safe. Join me. There's chance I could be wrong and there are no commies, but the plan works the same since you and bear cannot win together.

Titus · Post Post #5822 (ISO) » Thu Feb 26, 2015 8:03 pm

The more pirate ika and muffin resist based on fear mongering, the more convinced I become that this is the rational play.

If someone had a proven way to make it where you'd never break your arm again at the possibility but not certainty of taking a paper cut, would you take it? Yes if you trusted the offer.

Here we have a guaranteed way to ensure a bad scenario cannot happen. We should take it.

pirate mollie · Post Post #5823 (ISO) » Thu Feb 26, 2015 8:09 pm

In post 5821, Titus wrote:In the commie scenario,

The communists have a chance of being dicks to town but you and Bear are giving yourselves a zero chance of winning by leaving commies alive.

In no commies scenario,

The analysis makes sense.

Since town wins either way, let's use the no commies fail safe. Join me. There's chance I could be wrong and there are no commies, but the plan works the same since you and bear cannot win together.

you are saying that no commies exist? isn't that the entire premise of how you are ordering town to act? cos there are a bunch of commies running around?

so now....you are suggesting there no commies? but still follow thro with your dumb plan? lol, no.

Pirate Ika · Post Post #5824 (ISO) » Thu Feb 26, 2015 8:10 pm

In post 5823, pirate mollie wrote:
In post 5821, Titus wrote:In the commie scenario,

The communists have a chance of being dicks to town but you and Bear are giving yourselves a zero chance of winning by leaving commies alive.

In no commies scenario,

The analysis makes sense.

Since town wins either way, let's use the no commies fail safe. Join me. There's chance I could be wrong and there are no commies, but the plan works the same since you and bear cannot win together.

you are saying that no commies exist? isn't that the entire premise of how you are ordering town to act? cos there are a bunch of commies running around?

so now....you are suggesting there no commies? but still follow thro with your dumb plan? lol, no.

sorry