Mini 1648: Mafia in the Noose Factory. (Game Over)

[Cheery Dog]

Vote Count 1.10

randommidget: (3) pisskop, ploben, tip
tip: (2) randommidget, Kaboose
MonkeyMan576: (1) Slandaar
BlueBloodedToffee: (2) Ponystar17, Zebulin
Zebulin: (4) Luca Blight, House, Boonskiies, BlueBloodedToffee

Not Voting: MonkeyMan576

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline: (expired on 2015-03-08 19:53:20)

Mod Notes:

[Zebulin]

@tip

What did randomidget lie about? Him voting for you first? I love pictures but please explain?

This was the fist vote for tip besides tip jokingly voting himself in RVS:

VOTE: tip

For being such a wonderfully hypocritical lurky fluffmeister.

In the very next post, randomidget says this:

VOTE: tip
I'm following house

On page 11, randomidget mentions that:

i wish to shed light on how, instead, it is - pretty transparently - a shitty retaliatory tunnel to being finger of suspicion-ed by myself

I voted you first.

which is clearly a lie. tip was pointing out the lie.

The question is, is that a scumslip or just a stupidslip? (randomidget's not a VI. He was killed Night 1 in a game we shared.)

[Cheery Dog]

Prodding House

[Randomnamechange]

@tip

What did randomidget lie about? Him voting for you first? I love pictures but please explain?

This was the fist vote for tip besides tip jokingly voting himself in RVS:

VOTE: tip

For being such a wonderfully hypocritical lurky fluffmeister.

In the very next post, randomidget says this:

VOTE: tip
I'm following house

On page 11, randomidget mentions that:

i wish to shed light on how, instead, it is - pretty transparently - a shitty retaliatory tunnel to being finger of suspicion-ed by myself

I voted you first.

which is clearly a lie. tip was pointing out the lie.

The question is, is that a scumslip or just a stupidslip? (randomidget's not a VI. He was killed Night 1 in a game we shared.)

You guys misunderstood. Tip accused me of OMGUS, bur I voted him before he voted me.

[House]

Why am I...

Oh yeah!

Right.

Can we please get to D2 so something productive can happen?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

254 - It was mostly waffle, you're right, but there was something in there that made me town-read you. I've seen no reason to change my town-read.

I was not PR hunting, 100%. That's like saying we should never run anyone up to L-1 and get a claim because that's blatant PR fishing, when it quite clearly isn't. The only problem is that people are not used to seeing that kind of pressure early in a game and most people don't seem to like it. I, however, find it quite useful for finding scum.

Tell me why getting a claim on page 3 is scummy and getting a claim on page 20 is not? What's the difference?

If you read any of my posts where I even so much as imply I am PR hunting, I thought it would have been fairly transparent that my posts were tongue in cheek/sarcastic, I was wrong. I understand it can be hard to pick up tone on an internet forum but I really tried to make it obvious. Anything further I was just trolling.

258 - Tip, I agree with Zeb here that you have provided very little content to this point. All I see is; 48 - self vote, 51 - vote Monkeyman, 150 vote random, 256/257 some reasoning for Scum!RM. That's it. That's your whole contribution. Something about this post bothers me;

don't forgot i had the choice of life and death re: you, kiddo

Why did you write this?

260 - Nah, it's not the having a life that bothers me. It's the signing up to the game and then not playing it. Like, literally doing nothing. It's annoying and I will PL any player that does it.

262 - Why the vote Kaboose?

263 - Zeb, I'm not scum-reading anyone for not being able to play. Can you show me where I have done that?

266 - Why am I town, Kaboose?

270 - Hey Monkeyman, we have a game going here. Would you like to contribute some content?

272 - Ploben, you think scum are likely to think along the same lines as you if you're town? You asked him to help you, would you like help from scum or from town?

273 - Pointless questions are pointless. More filler.

Can we get a wagon going on Zeb or Ploben please?

PEdit - Will lynch House as well.

[Kaboose]

Because my role pm said I was allowed to vote for people.

Because you just asked me why you're town.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Try again.

On both accounts.

[Kaboose]

I already stated in earlier posts that tip was useless. He kept posting useless stuff so I don't want him in this game anymore.

What?

[Slandaar]

Tip doesn't seem useless to me.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

@Kaboose - Why are you town-reading me?

@Slandaar - I summed up Tip's contributions. How is that useful?

[Kaboose]

Tip doesn't seem useless to me.

How not?

@Kaboose - Why are you town-reading me?

Because you're trying. Also I'm now town reading you more because you care as to why I'm town reading you instead of just thanking me and moving on.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

You think effort is indicative of alignment?

[ploben]

@tip

What did randomidget lie about? Him voting for you first? I love pictures but please explain?

This was the fist vote for tip besides tip jokingly voting himself in RVS:

VOTE: tip

For being such a wonderfully hypocritical lurky fluffmeister.

In the very next post, randomidget says this:

VOTE: tip
I'm following house

On page 11, randomidget mentions that:

i wish to shed light on how, instead, it is - pretty transparently - a shitty retaliatory tunnel to being finger of suspicion-ed by myself

I voted you first.

which is clearly a lie. tip was pointing out the lie.

The question is, is that a scumslip or just a stupidslip? (randomidget's not a VI. He was killed Night 1 in a game we shared.)

I thought tip was pointing out the lie that randomidget did not vote on tip before tip voted on randomidget. But I guess you're saying tip pointed out the fact randomidget claims he voted for tip first when in fact he was following house, who voted for tip first.

This is why I like when people explain themselves so I can follow their logic instead of having to try and figure out what they mean and read between the (blury) lines. This is the exact reason I wanted Slandaar to more clearly give us his reads so far so I could see where he was at.

[ploben]

If I question something it's because I don't understand and want someone to explain it. If I question something it's probably because I didn't pick up on something, regardless of how obvious it is to everyone else. I question stuff because I don't want something to get said and just take it for face value and sheep it, I want to understand it for myself.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

You can respond to my point about your 272 when you're ready.

[Ponystar17]

@BBT (Post #280): I don't think running someone up to L-1 is automatically bad. However, answer this, please: how many times have you run someone up to L-1 with the stated intention not to lynch and gotten a scumclaim. And for that matter, how many times have you seen scum confess at L-1? Aren't they more likely to try and lie their way out? It seems to me like this particular brand of pressure (no intent to lynch but not telling them that) is the kind that exposes PRs, not scum.

If Page 3 and Page 20 are both on Day 1, you're right, there is no difference. However, are you really asking me why it's better for town to have a PR survive and be able to use their power for an additional day? Is that really a question you don't already know the answer to? It's not like a PR absolutely has to be exposed D1. Pressuring people with fake L-1 will only expose town PRs, because there's

no reason

for scum to ever confess to being scum. Do you really not understand why it's bad to force a real PR to claim at all?

Evidently I did misinterpret your posts. I'm just going to take that at face value - there's absolutely no reason for anyone to admit to PR-hunting, and it would be one of the weirdest slips I can imagine, so yeah, sorry. Looks like I misread your tone.

Also, I believe I can answer your response to #263 - he's referring to your willingness to PL tip and

whatshisface

Luca Blight for failing to contribute anything of substance due to being busy.

[Ponystar17]

...first question is missing a question mark, whoops.

[ploben]

I want to hear from town and scum. That's how the game works. If I think someone is town then their reads are good to align with. If I think someone is scum then their reads are good to try and figure out the mafia mind set and catch you later with them.

All information is good is this game. I appreciate your intent with the same sentiment. Your actions are speaking to that fact far louder than your words are.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Nobody claims to be scum, that would be silly.

But, it's great information to work with and start the game. You can analyse the wagon; who was on it, who was off it, what was their reasoning for their respective decisions? Does the claim seem believable? How do other people react to the claim etc etc. Instead of all this happening on p25 with 6 hours to go till deadline and no time to analyse the new information (usually ending in the speedlynch of someone else if the original person run up claims a PR, leaving very little information to work with) I propose we do it earlier and give ourselves 12 days to analyse the information and decide on how to proceed.

No, I'm asking why you think people have a problem with early pressure. Not everyone who gets run up claims PR, either.

PEdit - Ploben, what is your read on Slandaar? You're very good at dodging questions; ever thought of going into politics?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I want to hear from town and scum. That's how the game works. If I think someone is town then their reads are good to align with. If I think someone is scum then their reads are good to try and figure out the mafia mind set and catch you later with them.

All information is good is this game. I appreciate your intent with the same sentiment. Your actions are speaking to that fact far louder than your words are.

Do you want to work with scum, Ploben?

[Kaboose]

You think effort is indicative of alignment?

I think D1 is a crap shoot and everyone's main goal should be to rid the game of useless people and keep a hold of those trying to try.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I like that reasoning Kaboose.

Though, I would say House and Luca are more useless than Tip. So, why the vote on Tip?

[Kaboose]

I've considered Tip to be more useless probably because he stands out more. House would be second for sure. Luca has been miserably absent. But I'll give him points for not clogging the thread up with stuff I don't need to read.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Can you vote Zeb instead please?