New York 180 (Endgame)

[vikingfan]

or elusive's questions for that matter.

[Ellie]

As for you, this makes you my strongest scumread, followed by a lean scumread on NJ. I'm going to ISO you and NJ and try to figure it all out. What is your read of NJ?

Asked to post reads to help people townread him, quickhammers instead. That was scummier than the quickhammer itself. I don't think he's on pisskop's team though.

[Nobody Special]

Doctors don't get told if their protection was successful. They don't get told anything.

Did this used to be the case in earlier Mafia games?

Never, as far as I recall.

NS, what are your reads?

vikingfan needs to die. The rest can be discussed tomorrow.

[FakedBlogger]

So this is how you're explaining to me and everyone in this game why my hammer was scummy:" town was going well but then you hammered and town .. it couldn't do anything.. WHAT WAS TOWN TO DO?!"

Dude. Why was my hammer more likely to come from scum than town. Do try again.

[Ellie]

Could it have been a Freudian slip? Imagine this: At night, a player is reading the thread looking for who to nk. That player finds some profoundly awesome piece of evidence that somehow slipped under everyone's radar. The next day, when the person who was nk'd was revealed to be something awesome (like Boon's doctor PR), everyone is kinda getting ready to move on, but the player who found the evidence gets a little egotistical. They want people to realize how cool they are for discovering this awesome, barely noticeable piece of evidence, so they make the error of pointing it out. It's as if they were to say, "Man that NK was a great job on the scum team, they must be pretty damn smart! I bet they're awesome players!" And then just sits there and smiles as they stroke their own ego.

I don't actually think that's the case, but I thought it interesting enough to bring up.

So this isn't something you actually believe?

[Ellie]

vikingfan needs to die. The rest can be discussed tomorrow.

What do you think of TSO and Aeronaut and why do you think it?

[Ellie]

NakedJogger, if you are town and hammered for town reasons, simply explain your thought process so we can see how town it was. It's simple.

[Nobody Special]

vikingfan needs to die. The rest can be discussed tomorrow.

What do you think of TSO and Aeronaut and why do you think it?

TSO is supremely frustrated, like I am, and therefore most-probably town.

Aeronaut, no read, because he hasn't left an impression on me yet.

[FakedBlogger]

@Ellie That would spare me quite a lot of enjoyment. Also, don't defend stupidity; People who call me scum have to come up with reasons to do so before I have to do anything, not the other way around. And I believe I've already explained it to none other than elusive who has asked me that same question twice ever since despite.

[ika]

That's pretty obvious. But is it ok to ask someone if he/she is cheating, because that's the relevant issue here. Because that's what I did, not even seriously just to point out in a derogatory fashion how similar, in a bad way, their playstyle to that of another player is.

Whatever, vk, still waiting ..

No, it is not your job (or any player's job for that matter). If you suspect cheating you pm mod/listmod.

I personally know both players from offsites and that they are very much 2 different people. Also given that mathblade is titus sister (who is also my backup mod) would probably be aware if math tried something and would of stepped in if there was something going on.

Now this issue is over, if there is any more problems or "accusations" you bring it to PMs with me/titus.

[Ozgin]

Could it have been a Freudian slip? Imagine this: At night, a player is reading the thread looking for who to nk. That player finds some profoundly awesome piece of evidence that somehow slipped under everyone's radar. The next day, when the person who was nk'd was revealed to be something awesome (like Boon's doctor PR), everyone is kinda getting ready to move on, but the player who found the evidence gets a little egotistical. They want people to realize how cool they are for discovering this awesome, barely noticeable piece of evidence, so they make the error of pointing it out. It's as if they were to say, "Man that NK was a great job on the scum team, they must be pretty damn smart! I bet they're awesome players!" And then just sits there and smiles as they stroke their own ego.

I don't actually think that's the case, but I thought it interesting enough to bring up.

So this isn't something you actually believe?

No, I brought it up because it really interests me. Elusive doesn't strike me as egotistical.

NakedJogger, if you are town and hammered for town reasons, simply explain your thought process so we can see how town it was. It's simple.

I second this.

ABR's conviction with the vf case and his offering himself as a quick next-day lynch doesn't seem like something a scum would say. I just struggle to think ABR is scum when he does things like this.

I'm willing to wagon vf if it's a serious push, but I'm a little more convinced that Ellie is scum.

As for you, this makes you my strongest scumread, followed by a lean scumread on NJ. I'm going to ISO you and NJ and try to figure it all out. What is your read of NJ?

Asked to post reads to help people townread him, quickhammers instead. That was scummier than the quickhammer itself. I don't think he's on pisskop's team though.

So you just think he's general anti-town? And what about my post where I asked you questions from things I saw in your ISO? Why won't you address them?

[FakedBlogger]

Ok I retract my words and replace them with this: Elusive and Math, if you would hydra together I wouldn't know which head is posting what.

Viking, I'm waiting to be amused cmon.

[Ozgin]

I think this is a bit of a stretch, though. I mean, you can say this about anyone.

I'm saying this because there's a high chance he's scum, and people want to keep him alive without understanding the potential importance and urgency of lynching scum.

See that's where you lost me, I think Ellie has a higher chance of being scum,

Ozgin, are you asking me to full claim? Is anyone else interested in a full claim? Most likely I will before day ends.

It would certainly help your case in my opinion, and could potentially help Ellie's as well.

[Ellie]

@Ellie That would spare me quite a lot of enjoyment. Also, don't defend stupidity; People who call me scum have to come up with reasons to do so before I have to do anything, not the other way around. And I believe I've already explained it to none other than elusive who has asked me that same question twice ever since despite.

The reason you needed to hammer is because enough people thought you were scummy to have a good chance of lynching you. That was before the hammer. Then rather than, say, explain your reads, you acted in an extremely survivalistic manner. It is not surprising people think you are scummy.

[MathBlade]

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@NJ -- I am a unique slot. This slot is not a hydra. This slot is me. I am MathBlade.

However if I ever hydra I will put -- MathBlade or identify any such hydra.

[Ellie]

No, I brought it up because it really interests me.

Why does it interest you?

I just struggle to think ABR is scum when he does things like this.

I think people probably can't fake that level of crazy.

So you just think he's general anti-town? And what about my post where I asked you questions from things I saw in your ISO? Why won't you address them?

No, hence my use of the word scummy. I'm still catching up - did you ask me about something other than my read on elusive and my statement that I would hammer vikingfan?

[Ellie]

elusive and MathBlade are very, very different people with unique writing styles and separate personalities. It shouldn't be too hard to tell them apart, guys.

[Ellie]

vikingfan needs to die. The rest can be discussed tomorrow.

What do you think of TSO and Aeronaut and why do you think it?

TSO is supremely frustrated, like I am, and therefore most-probably town.

Aeronaut, no read, because he hasn't left an impression on me yet.

Yeah maybe I should try this from the other direction. What do you think of elusive, goodmorning and dragonspawn?

[ika]

Ok i presume the issue that started is elusive alt slipped and it was taken as a hydra post.

Anyway the issue should be resolved

[vikingfan]

Ok I retract my words and replace them with this: Elusive and Math, if you would hydra together I wouldn't know which head is posting what.

Viking, I'm waiting to be amused cmon.

So no response to the questions multiple people are asking you? My vote stays.

[Ozgin]

No, I brought it up because it really interests me.

Why does it interest you?

I just struggle to think ABR is scum when he does things like this.

I think people probably can't fake that level of crazy.

So you just think he's general anti-town? And what about my post where I asked you questions from things I saw in your ISO? Why won't you address them?

No, hence my use of the word scummy. I'm still catching up - did you ask me about something other than my read on elusive and my statement that I would hammer vikingfan?

1) The concept of a Freudian slip that isn't just a linguistics error. I'm just utterly fascinated by people who accidentally show their true intentions without even realizing it. Not saying that's what she did, but recognizing the possibility is just interesting to me personally. However, Kitz pretty much debunked my Freudian slip theory.

2) But is it really crazy to be so sure of something that you'd bet your life on it? Granted, it's not your

real

life, but there are some things I'd be willing to bet my life on (e.g. I bet my life that I can go outside and take a picture of a handful of snow and post it because winter sucks on the east coast).

3) No, that's the gist of what I asked you. There was a weird conversation you had somewhere too that I think I asked about, but it was all related to your interactions with elusive and your (potential) mason/lover softclaim.

[Titus]

For the record, Math has no known alts and only one known hydra with me (Double Trouble). If anyone has any concerns as to the author of a post, please do not hesitate to contact me. I will be around usually if ika is not.

[Ellie]

Okay, I was hoping for some more creative reasons for suspecting me Ozgin. As stated many times already, I know elusive

very

well. She is town. If you think my read on her is too confident for d1 or d2, then you don't understand how her mind works. This is simply not how she plays as scum.

[Ozgin]

Okay, I was hoping for some more creative reasons for suspecting me Ozgin. As stated many times already, I know elusive

very

well. She is town. If you think my read on her is too confident for d1 or d2, then you don't understand how her mind works. This is simply not how she plays as scum.

Fair enough, I can't necessarily argue with you if you claim you know her meta very well and she has confirmed that. But what about your posts saying things like "It's impossible to lynch her" etc., you almost hinted at her being invincible. Why is that?

[Ellie]

2) But is it really crazy to be so sure of something that you'd bet your life on it? Granted, it's not your real life, but there are some things I'd be willing to bet my life on (e.g. I bet my life that I can go outside and take a picture of a handful of snow and post it because winter sucks on the east coast).

Do you have any beliefs about this game that you would bet your game life on? I was talking about some other behavior from ABR that appears to stretch the boundaries of sanity.