Mini 1646: Quil's Smalltown (Game over!)

[Bookitty]

They have to kill both of us, Reck. The element of uncertainty arises from who Shii will protect.

I'm fine with you not revealing specifically who you will target (though I don't think it matters) but since I'm investigating for last night, they can't change what they did last night, so I want all the help I can get in figuring out the best target out of a fairly small pool.

[Bookitty]

what the fuck i'm town as shit that's a fucking waste no

???

No one has said they would target you yet. Why are you upset at being included in the general pool?

[Aronis]

what the fuck i'm town as shit that's a fucking waste no

This post doesn't give me a good feeling about Marquis.

[Marquis]

what the fuck i'm town as shit that's a fucking waste no

This post doesn't give me a good feeling about Marquis.

lmfao just as expected

[xRECKONERx]

what the fuck i'm town as shit that's a fucking waste no

This post doesn't give me a good feeling about Marquis.

lmfao just as expected

This exchange bothers me.

[Bookitty]

You just need to explain to them that it's really a very gentle procedure and they'll hardly feel a thing.

[Marquis]

what the fuck i'm town as shit that's a fucking waste no

???

No one has said they would target you yet. Why are you upset at being included in the general pool?

because up until now everyone's pretty much recognized i'm either town or sk (well except vda and aronis but they're both scum anyway). copping me wouldn't change a single thing, a waste of an pseudo-innocent on someone who's already obvtown as fuck anyway, since if i'm ever mislynched it'll be for sk suspicion not mafia

i mean now i'm expecting reck to go "yeah i'm copping you" in his next post just to spite me since i know he has to look like he's keeping his options open but when it comes to his actual action dv/jingle/flubber/anti is the best pool (dv because i'm bitter over his wagon choices end of yesterday and generally hard to catch as scum)

[Marquis]

what the fuck i'm town as shit that's a fucking waste no

This post doesn't give me a good feeling about Marquis.

lmfao just as expected

This exchange bothers me.

how it feels like you're an unlynchable sk right now is what bothers me

[Bookitty]

The pool that Reck and I are sharing (yes, I know he's a married man) includes both SK candidates and scum candidates. He's already divided up the labour for that pool and even said who he would most likely investigate.

Do you want me to investigate your actions last night, Marquis? Would it clear you of being the SK?

In a pool this small, a clear is almost as good as a guilty.

[Marquis]

i'm slightly more ok with you investigating me because then it actually means something but of course i think there are significantly better targets in the pool

[xRECKONERx]

what the fuck i'm town as shit that's a fucking waste no

This post doesn't give me a good feeling about Marquis.

lmfao just as expected

This exchange bothers me.

how it feels like you're an unlynchable sk right now is what bothers me

Yeah if I was SK I wouldn't draft cop, sorry love

[Bookitty]

Oh, and another thing to keep in mind.

Reck is cleared of being scum. He's possibly an SK, but scum don't shoot scum.

DeasVail gave his bulletproof vest to Shiidaji. Shiidaji protected Reck and Reck was shot, using up the bulletproof vest. This is what I think happened. The other possibilities either require DeasVail to be scum with Shiidaji (I rule this out) or for scum to have targeted Shiidaji specifically (possible, but it rules out Shii scum AND DeasVail scum because 1. scum don't shoot scum and 2. scum don't waste a kill by giving someone they're shooting a bulletproof vest.). In these cases I think that Reck might be scum, but it seems vanishingly unlikely to me.

BBMolla is cleared of both. Scum targeted him with the roleblock, there was no counterclaim of being blocked and since he was blocked he could not have performed the SK kill on Victor.

I already investigated Jingle for last night.

The reason Reck and I are not in the pool is because we're doing the investigating. At least in my case, I expect to be dead very soon (though hopefully not tonight) and that will clear me enough. If I don't die, I'll keep investigating people and I'm sure that will lead to my untimely demise. Reck can only be the SK; he can't be scum. Left to my own devices I wouldn't investigate him because I'm not really getting SK vibes from him, but I'm no expert there.

So if the town wants me to investigate him, I will; once he's used his one-shot cop, he will effectively be vanilla townie and won't be a target anymore, anyway. The same will not be true of me. My role has a life expectancy and it's not a long one, so I would like to use my tracking ability where it will do the very most good.

[DeasVail]

Again, don't have time for too much, but the reason why I think Shii is town is that Shii as scum wouldn't want us to know about the bulletproof vest being used up. It's much better for ScumShii if we think the bulletproof vest is still a thing, because it would explain why Shii's not dying. The reason why I found it quite unlikely that scum would choose bodyguard in the first place is that the whole thing with bodyguard is that you're expected to die sooner or later. So claiming the shot vest (when scum hitting the SK was another viable alternative that Shii could have supported) makes Shii as scum even more unlikely imo.

I remember thinking of a possible lead in the event that Victor was scum but it was Day 1 sometime and I've forgotten. I also have way too much going on in RL right now and can't look through the posts I want to, but that will happen when I can find the time for it.

[DeasVail]

Fwiw I can empathize with Marquis because I would be pretty horrified if Reck were to investigate me.

[Bookitty]

The pool of investigative-potentials doesn't have anything to do with how scummy people have been. It is strictly based on who is cleared and who has already been investigated.

You have been cleared by role imo. (Other people may disagree, but I'm sure on it.) The people on the list haven't been cleared. *I* have not been cleared. Reck hasn't been cleared of being the SK.

The pool isn't a judgment of anyone. It's just a way to optimise our chances of winning this by hitting the most likely targets.

I really think the town should decide who we target anyway (not just me, but Reck too). Short of that, I want town to pick for me and I would like Reck to choose from among the candidates in the Pit of Despair.

[farside22]

okay so i thought about a few things but I need to know something because maybe it is just me.

Do people trust/think boo and reck are town? I had a horrified moment when I was thinking of a plan but in intales trusting both players.

I think i trust reck less for not using his ability but that's a bit wtf moment in my head.

I do like the idea of the investigate with the group idea because if kitty and reck scum together would eventual tie their hands (well at least kitty, not so much reck).

just mulling over some other thoughts.

[xRECKONERx]

I literally cannot be scum due to the bullet thing last night, farside, unless scum actually shot Shiidaji.

[xRECKONERx]

I can be Serial Killer, but I can't be scum.

[Marquis]

you can be sk.

p-edit mmmmm

[Bookitty]

I can be Serial Killer, but I can't be scum.

I think this is true as well.

I could be either. I'm not, but I'm not cleared of either one.

[xRECKONERx]

Plus: if I was lying about the cop investigation thing, why would I not just fakeclaim a result instead of inviting scrutiny by not using my ability? I had ample time between people's reaction and my actual claim to say "JUST TROLLING LOL I GOT AN INNOCENT ON _________"

[xRECKONERx]

(I actually considered starting today by faking an innocent result and refusing to out anyone.)

[Marquis]

because bookitty

[Bookitty]

because bookitty

Yep. Pretty much.

[Quilford]

BUMP :D