Open 588 Pick Your Poison -- Game Over

[Nachomamma8]

Riabi: WHO ARE SCUM WITH IKA?

I can't say for certain, of course, but Nacho and AM are certainly near the top of my list of possible scumbuddies.

Why?

[Nachomamma8]

Nacho: who would be scum with ika?

I'm not sure.
You wouldn't be, TTH wouldn't be. Most other people probably could be.

[Drezi]

Well read D1.

[Nachomamma8]

What significant chunks am I missing?

[Drezi]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... &start=350 onwards until page 23 mostly, basically everyone you don't mention trying to get Dooku (ika) lynched pushing him to the point of him replacing out. The only one that might look like bussing is House there, then again he was on the ika wagon D2 aswell and it certainly didn't look like it wasn't in danger of being lynched.

[Albert B. Rampage]

(ika, Riabi, Nacho) or (ika, ABR, Nacho) scum teams make lots of sense, so your "PoE" is already flawed.

If Nacho was scum, you would never see it coming. This is Nacho town, I guarantee it.

[Riabi]

Riabi: WHO ARE SCUM WITH IKA?

I can't say for certain, of course, but Nacho and AM are certainly near the top of my list of possible scumbuddies.

Why?

As I said, your defense of the ika slot is incomprehensible to me. That is enough to put you on my list.

[Nachomamma8]

Riabi: WHO ARE SCUM WITH IKA?

I can't say for certain, of course, but Nacho and AM are certainly near the top of my list of possible scumbuddies.

Why?

As I said, your defense of the ika slot is incomprehensible to me. That is enough to put you on my list.

What about my defense is incomprehensible?

[Nachomamma8]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... &start=350 onwards until page 23 mostly, basically everyone you don't mention trying to get Dooku (ika) lynched pushing him to the point of him replacing out. The only one that might look like bussing is House there, then again he was on the ika wagon D2 aswell and it certainly didn't look like it wasn't in danger of being lynched.

I will read this when I'm in more of a reading mood. I did read the page you linked to and was thoroughly amaused by Dooku's posting, though.

[Riabi]

What about my defense is incomprehensible?

Why it exists. To me, the slot is clearly scummy, and you are defending it vociferously.

[Riabi]

What about my defense is incomprehensible?

Why it exists. To me, the slot is clearly scummy, and you are defending it vociferously.

Also, the fact that you've not bothered to read D1 at this point bothers me. Why wouldn't you at least give it a cursory glance? We had a long night phase.

[Lalendra]

I would be pretty inclined to vote Ika right now if I didn't think he had a good possibility of being the vig. I don't really know who in their right mind doesn't shoot Ika after yesterday, meaning the him = vig possibility is more likely than it should be.

Given that he hammered conftown, I can see why scum wouldn't shoot him. Not sure I follow your logic.

"I thought Dooku was scummy. I thought Dooku's replace-out was scummy. I think the D1 hammer was scummy, and I think the D2 hammer is scummy. I've thought that slot was scummy from the get-go, I still do, and to be completely honest, your defense of that slot is confusing to me."
I screwed up the quote but THIS. THIS RIGHT HERE.

I don't know that there's anything that can convince me that slot is not scum, at this point.

VOTE: ika

[Drezi]

...Not quite sure what to say here

You want to lynch ika, who is unlikely scum due to disassociation with everyone else regardless of how fucking much you'd find him alone scummy (and even that is arguable), and who also has a higher than normal chance of being the vig, who could possibly save town from defeat in case of a stupid mislynch (obviously not if hes fucking dead before the night).

[Albert B. Rampage]

Unvote, vote Lalendra

[Riabi]

Ok, I think all this talk of ika being the vig is going to lose the game for town. So, I'm just going to come out with it... I'm the Vig. I killed pisskop last night, and for that, I'm sorry. I overthought my kill. My thinking was that I've been the most vocal about getting the dukoo/ika slot killed, if I shoot them, it will be easy to figure out it's me. But based on his D2 interactions with ika, I was sure he was scum (so much for being sure). In retrospect, I think him saying that he thought I was scum made me suspect him too much. Then, I never considered that my decision would make ika look like the vig (which I agree now that it does).

I'm sorry for messing that shot up so terribly. I know I really put us in a tight spot. But, I feel like we're going to be in even a tighter slot if people keep thinking that ika is the vig.

[Riabi]

Ok, I think all this talk of ika being the vig is going to lose the game for town. So, I'm just going to come out with it... I'm the Vig. I killed pisskop last night, and for that, I'm sorry. I overthought my kill. My thinking was that I've been the most vocal about getting the dukoo/ika slot killed, if I

lynch

them

(ika)

, it will be easy to figure out it's me. But based on his

(pisskiop's)

D2 interactions with ika, I was sure he was scum (so much for being sure). In retrospect, I think him

(pisskop)

saying that he thought I was scum made me suspect him too much. Then, I never considered that my decision would make ika look like the vig (which I agree now that it does).

I'm sorry for messing that shot up so terribly. I know I really put us in a tight spot. But, I feel like we're going to be in even a tighter slot if people keep thinking that ika is the vig.

EBWOP for clarity.

[TellTaleHeart]

Ok, I think all this talk of ika being the vig is going to lose the game for town. So, I'm just going to come out with it... I'm the Vig. I killed pisskop last night, and for that, I'm sorry. I overthought my kill. My thinking was that I've been the most vocal about getting the dukoo/ika slot killed, if I shoot them, it will be easy to figure out it's me. But based on his D2 interactions with ika, I was sure he was scum (so much for being sure). In retrospect, I think him saying that he thought I was scum made me suspect him too much. Then, I never considered that my decision would make ika look like the vig (which I agree now that it does).

I'm sorry for messing that shot up so terribly. I know I really put us in a tight spot. But, I feel like we're going to be in even a tighter slot if people keep thinking that ika is the vig.

You stole my thunder! >:(

[TellTaleHeart]

(That's not a counterclaim, I was flicking through the game this morning and I thought Riabi was the vig and was going to say something about it.)

[Riabi]

(That's not a counterclaim, I was flicking through the game this morning and I thought Riabi was the vig and was going to say something about it.)

I'm curious what led you to belive that?

[House]

(That's not a counterclaim, I was flicking through the game this morning and I thought Riabi was the vig and was going to say something about it.)

*tugs at sleeve*

Care to provide a little analysis with all that information?

*tugs at sleeve*

A Rough VC Study

NJAC

- 6 - Always Mafia, Nachomamma8, Albert B. Rampage,

Sakura Hana

,

pisskop

, ika
ika - 4 - Drezi, Lalendra,

NJAC

, House

Metalcyanide

- 7 -

SIR CYANIDE

, Drezi,

Sakura Hana

, House,

pisskop

, Albert B. Rampage, ika
ika - 4 - VictorDeAngelo, Lalendra, Riabi,

Metalcyanide

Sakura Hana - 1 -

NJAC

Not Voting: Nachomamma8

The two lynch wagons from Days 1 and 2 are roughly the same. Four names show up on both those wagons (the majority). Contrast this to the ika counterwagon. The only name in common between the two days is Lalendra. Two different sets of people tried, and failed, to lynch ika on Days 1 and 2. You could argue that the scum team just rotated and different scum pushed the ika wagon, but I think that's unlikely and I think those wagon compositions are quite town.

Isn't it possible that Lalendra is scum on the ika wagon, camping out on it because it was pretty obvious that he wasn't going to be lynched?

[Riabi]

House, who's sleeve are you tugging at?

[House]

House, who's sleeve are you tugging at?

Probably the person I am quoting.

[Drezi]

if I lynch them (ika), it will be easy to figure out it's me.

What do you mean here?

[Riabi]

if I lynch them (ika), it will be easy to figure out it's me.

What do you mean here?

I mean that since I've been the loudest, most consistent voice saying "Lynch the dukoo/ika slot", then it would be easier to point to me as the vig had I used my shot on him.

[Drezi]

I get that, even though I don't agree since both me and Sakura suggested that ika is vigged, so it could have been anyone.

I wondered about the "if I lynch them" part specifically. you corrected it from "shoot"