Newbie 1568: Cleveland Mafia - Game Over

[Jake from State Farm]

And I did have a good reason for my dodgy scum read

What was that reason?

Him claiming scum

You must be kidding.
1. Town can scumclaim during RVS as well. Scum is likelier to do it but it's not a 100% guarantee.
2. You said yourself that you've seen town doing that.
3. You said you don't want to lynch him based on that in #97.

I guess but if I was scum worried about town cred, I would have hard bussed him. Kinds like what nether did. Nether got mad his buddy hammered so he planned to hard bus dodgy. That's what I would have done.

P.edit - clearly you have never seen me bus...

I thought you had said you didn't like to bus unless you were being bussed?

Idk if I said I don't like to bus unless I'm being busses, but I did say I don't like to bus in general. Doesn't mean I won't if I have to

You said that you don't like to bus unless you're being bussed in another completed game.
I found it during my meta check on you and brought it up in #895. You admitted it's truth in #897.

1. OK fine I forgot I said that, but I was still trying to pressure him cause despite that, I was still scum reading him. When I went looking for games where town did it, I only found one but it was a completely different scenario.
2. Those links you posted aren't to the posts that prove your point, they are to us talking about my scum game supposedly matching my town game and I talk about how I'm trying to improve my play.

[Jake from State Farm]

And I did have a good reason for my dodgy scum read

What was that reason?

Him claiming scum

Under that logic, why didn't you vote Netherspite?

I.don't remember nether claiming he's scum. Where did he do that?

[Jake from State Farm]

Those links you posted aren't to the posts that prove your point, they are to us talking about my scum game supposedly matching my town game and I talk about how I'm trying to improve my play.

I see where you bring up the point, but I never admitted that was true. All I said is I don't see it as a viable strategy, though I have done it once or twice, no.where did I say that I only bus when being bussed.

I get I look bad for not being more aggressive in trying to lynch dodgy like you did. I get that I look bad for my vote and interest in trying to vote/Lynch house, but that doesn't make me scum. Your reason for voting dodgy was fairly weak way to weak for your insistence on keeping your vote on him. Your flop on house seems awfully from day 2, to day 3 also seems convenient, I guess you felt like you could you beat me in lylo over house? Idk.

[Netherspite]

In this post you stated that you hate bussing and did it only because your partner bussed you.
That's why I brought it up in #895.
In response you said in #897: "And you are correct, I hate bussing and don't feel like it is ever a viable strategy, though I have gotten away with it once or twice."

So you basically agreed with what I said about you hating bussing.

I don't get it. You said:
- that you hate bussing and do it only because your partner does;
- that you go full out when bussing;
- that you consider vial option to hardbus your partner in this game.

These three things do not make sense together.
So why did you bus

dodgy56

?

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Your flop on house seems awfully from day 2, to day 3 also seems convenient, I guess you felt like you could you beat me in lylo over house? Idk.

Don't pretend you completely ignored my cases on

House

.
I've stated pretty long list of points on why I think he's more likely to flip scum than you.
And now you say that I voted him only because I decided to 1v1 with you instead? Please...

You said yourself that you did nothing scummy in this game.
I partially agreed with you since you did only slight mistakes (before this latest conversation where you seem to forget your previous posts because you weren't fully honest).
No wonder

House

looked way scummier especially considering the association tells with

dodgy56

.
You even considered him very scummy yourself and now you accuse me for voting him instead of you?
How about you apply your own argument to yourself and answer didn't you really vote him only because you considered it easier to 1v1 with me and not with him?

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Your reason for voting dodgy was fairly weak way to weak for your insistence on keeping your vote on him.

My initial vote on

dodgy56

was after I clearly stated that I'm going to do it after the quickhammer.
I consider his action completely anti-town and I don't see how town would do that.
This was already pretty strong reason.
I've posted bigger case later during D2.

In fact, I had way more strong reasons to vote him than you.
No wonder since you were bussing and I was genuinely scumreading him.

[Netherspite]

I don't know if you are scum, which is why I want to re-read your interactions with dodgy. I also still want to read dodgy's limited iso.

Did you read it? If so, what did you learn from it?

Oh and going back I guess I didn't really make a case on nether like I thought I did. The only thing I pointed out was his vote on prawn where he thought he was placing the L-1 vote which would have allowed Brick to hammer. Turns out he wasnt at L-1 but him not announcing it was bad. Hopefully I can find some relational tells between him and dodgy.

And again, promising to do the analysis and never posting it.
You're too lazy to devote much time for this game since you're almost caught and don't see how you can make scum winning this?
Or may be you already did that "analysis" and didn't find anything to scumpaint me?

[Jake from State Farm]

In this post you stated that you hate bussing and did it only because your partner bussed you.

So because in that game I did it, that means every time I bus is for the same reason? No

[Jake from State Farm]

In response you said in #897: "And you are correct, I hate bussing and don't feel like it is ever a viable strategy, though I have gotten away with it once or twice."

But that doesn't mean every time I've bussed it was because my partner was bussing me

[Netherspite]

Your post in that game implied that only your partner bussing you may cause you to bus him because you hate bussing.
If there are other reasons that can be strong enough for you to overcome your hatred to bussing - elaborate please.

[Jake from State Farm]

I don't get it. You said:
- that you hate bussing and do it only because your partner does;

You are taking something I did in 1 game and applying it to mean that every time I bus, its because my partner was bussing me. That's wrong for you to assume that, and terrible for you to imply I'm saying that.

And no, I haven't had time to go through the isos yet. Sometime today probably

[Jake from State Farm]

Your post in that game implied that only your partner bussing you may cause you to bus him because you hate bussing.
If there are other reasons that can be strong enough for you to overcome your hatred to bussing - elaborate please.

Correct, in THAT GAME, I decided to bus him back. There are other reasons to bus, like if I feel he's scum slipped, or is becoming a detriment to scum winning for example. You can't take something I did in 1 game and apply it to other games.

[Jake from State Farm]

And again, promising to do the analysis and never posting it.
You're too lazy to devote much time for this game since you're almost caught and don't see how you can make scum winning this?
Or may be you already did that "analysis" and didn't find anything to scumpaint me?

Damn this is a very manipulative post. Just cause I haven't had time to do it, doesn't mean I'm not going to. Relax homie, you are getting your scum win, don't need to try so hard.

[Netherspite]

This is getting pointless in fact.
You surely can forge some excuse or explanation for every inconsistency I found in your posts.
I'm not that good in explaining that black is black and white is white.
I know that you're scum because there's no other option.
You know that you're scum because you know your role PM.
You will do your best to scumpaint me and find excuses for any scummy slips/inconsistencies in your posts.
I can't prove that you're scum despite you really are.
I just hope

Zar

will make the right decision because while I do not deserve to win this game, other townies do deserve it and should not lose because I failed D3.

[Netherspite]

Your post in that game implied that only your partner bussing you may cause you to bus him because you hate bussing.
If there are other reasons that can be strong enough for you to overcome your hatred to bussing - elaborate please.

Correct, in THAT GAME, I decided to bus him back. There are other reasons to bus, like if I feel he's scum slipped, or is becoming a detriment to scum winning for example. You can't take something I did in 1 game and apply it to other games.

If you hate bussing so much you need really good reason to do it.
What was exact reason to bus

dodgy56

? He didn't scumslip and wasn't detriment to scum winning.

[Zar]

Oh my God this game is taking a morale toll on me so abruptly.

Why do you keep saying stuff like that. I'm starting to think you're the scum

[Netherspite]

Because this is what I am feeling.

[Zar]

I only have one problem though....

I still think that, if had, hypothetically agreed, to let netherspite bus him on Night One, as partners, I don't think he would have continued his rhetoric on "if we lynch neo and he flips scum then Netherspite is confirmed town."
Because we already now neo was town. so dodgy's logical push and argument seem to be lining up mislynches.

[Zar]

I also never really got the point of Jake's VCA on day two. What was that about.

[Zar]

One last time, I'm going to go through the thread trying to work assuming a town!Jake. I just want to make sure I'm covering all the bases and I'm not missing something obvious.

[Jake from State Farm]

Your post in that game implied that only your partner bussing you may cause you to bus him because you hate bussing.
If there are other reasons that can be strong enough for you to overcome your hatred to bussing - elaborate please.

Correct, in THAT GAME, I decided to bus him back. There are other reasons to bus, like if I feel he's scum slipped, or is becoming a detriment to scum winning for example. You can't take something I did in 1 game and apply it to other games.

If you hate bussing so much you need really good reason to do it.
What was exact reason to bus

dodgy56

? He didn't scumslip and wasn't detriment to scum winning.

I didn't bus him, I'm.not scum. I see why you did though. His hammer was bad

[Jake from State Farm]

I also never really got the point of Jake's VCA on day two. What was that about.

Trying to find scum. Looking at vote positions and reasons for votes can sometimes be useful in finding scum.

[Netherspite]

Your post in that game implied that only your partner bussing you may cause you to bus him because you hate bussing.
If there are other reasons that can be strong enough for you to overcome your hatred to bussing - elaborate please.

Correct, in THAT GAME, I decided to bus him back. There are other reasons to bus, like if I feel he's scum slipped, or is becoming a detriment to scum winning for example. You can't take something I did in 1 game and apply it to other games.

If you hate bussing so much you need really good reason to do it.
What was exact reason to bus

dodgy56

? He didn't scumslip and wasn't detriment to scum winning.

I didn't bus him, I'm.not scum. I see why you did though. His hammer was bad

Okay, answer after the game is finished, I'm curious why was it needed.
I wouldn't on your place.

[Netherspite]

I also never really got the point of Jake's VCA on day two. What was that about.

Why not combine data in the way that casts suspicion on those players who you want to mislynch?

[Jake from State Farm]

I only have one problem though....

I still think that, if had, hypothetically agreed, to let netherspite bus him on Night One, as partners, I don't think he would have continued his rhetoric on "if we lynch neo and he flips scum then Netherspite is confirmed town."
Because we already now neo was town. so dodgy's logical push and argument seem to be lining up mislynches.

He was trying to distance himself. Try to make sure there are no relational tells.

[Jake from State Farm]

I also never really got the point of Jake's VCA on day two. What was that about.

Why not combine data in the way that casts suspicion on those players who you want to mislynch?

Well that's a scummy way to twist vca.

[Zar]

But you voted him for the hammer Jake, how is it different?