Open 588 Pick Your Poison -- Game Over

[Drezi]

What the hell can they do about it? Getting out more opinions and stances is always good in the first place.

[Riabi]

More discussion is good, yes. More opinions are good, yes. To tell people that if they don't have a guess as to the entire scum team they might as well not really ahve a guess at this point is both silly and counter-productive.

[Drezi]

Well with 8 players 1 ika 1 yourself and 3 scum in there if you have a few townreads you can list the rest as "would lynch" for example or if you have scumreads than those.

[Nobody Special]

~Whistles~
Nobody Special, can you confirm that everyone picked up the private message you sent out informing everyone of Day 3 start?

As of this moment, everyone has.

Votecount incoming, sorry for the delay.

[Nobody Special]

Votecount 3.01

ika - 3 - TellTaleHeart, Riabi, House
Albert B. Rampage - 1 - Drezi
Riabi - 1 - Lalendra

Not Voting: Nachomamma8, ika, Albert B. Rampage

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline: (expired on 2015-03-24 02:44:33)

[Nobody Special]

ika has been prodded.

[Nachomamma8]

Is Lalendra scum?

Current reads point to yes, probably.
What do you think of ABR's recent treatment of me?

[Nachomamma8]

I don't even know what Lalendra is doing now, but I absolutely wouldn't want to lynch her, noone ever pushed her and now suddenly people want to lynch her, it just screams scum wanting easy mislynch.

TTH and ABR are still scum for what I said. Only difference is that if you're not a fake vig, the third scum could be someone else, but clearly I wouldn't want to lynch my weakest read.

I think you've been basing your reads lately too much off how people have been treating certain players as opposed to the behavior of said players. This is an example. What do you actually think of Lalendra? Why couldn't the vote on Lalendra be distancing?

[Nachomamma8]

I need Nacho.

I don't think Drezi is scum.

[ika]

So what did i miss?

[House]

So what did i miss?

Seems like you're scum.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I need Nacho.

I don't think Drezi is scum.

But why? Drezi can definitely be scum. There are some town posts but what before then?

[ika]

So what did i miss?

Seems like you're scum.

says who?

[House]

So what did i miss?

Seems like you're scum.

says who?

TellTaleHeart.

She's scary good when she's town, so I'm inclined to sheep her because she's town.

[Drezi]

What do you actually think of Lalendra? Why couldn't the vote on Lalendra be distancing?

I think she could be scum. And it's not like I automatically think that vote=connection severed, impossible scumteam. I simply feel that Lalendra here is the optimal mislynch target that scum could get town to compromise on the easiest, without showing themselves too much or picking a fight. Lalendra herself voted ika and Riabi so far, no strong stance against those who actually should be the choice here, I don't think flip would help the vigshot and next day too much either.

I'm basing my reads this much on whole team possibilities is because singling out a single person and convincing myself that "yeah they could be scm I guess" is recipe for disaster here.

[Drezi]

D1 wagons:

Spoiler:

SC wagon at it's peak:

Votecount 1.05

SIR CYANIDE

- 5 - Lalendra, Always Mafia,

Sakura

,

Metalcyanide

, Albert B. Rampage

Metalcyanide

- 2 -

SIR CYANIDE

, Ika
House - 2 -

Riabi

,

pisskop

Ika - 1 - House

Sakura

- 1 - Drezi
Nacho - 1 -

NJAC

Not Voting: Nacho

Dooku wagon at it's peak:

Votecount 1.13

Ika - 5 - Always Mafia, Lalendra,

Riabi

, House,

Metalcyanide

Albert B. Rampage - 2 -

Sakura

,

pisskop

Metalcyanide

- 2 -

SIR CYANIDE

, Drezi

Sakura

- 2 -

NJAC

, Ika

SIR CYANIDE

- 1 - Albert B. Rampage

Not Voting: Nacho

Votecount 1.18

(LYNCH)

Metalcyanide

- 7 -

SIR CYANIDE

, Drezi,

Sakura

, House,

pisskop

, Albert B. Rampage, ika
ika - 4 - Always Mafia, Lalendra,

Riabi

,

Metalcyanide

Sakura

- 1 -

NJAC

Not Voting: Nacho

D2 wagons:

Spoiler:

Votecount 2.01

ika - 4 - Drezi, Albert B. Rampage, Lalendra,

NJAC

NJAC

- 1 - Always Mafia

pisskop

- 1 - House

Not Voting: Nacho, ika,

Riabi

,

Sakura

,

pisskop

Votecount 2.02

ika - 4 - Drezi, Lalendra,

NJAC

, House

NJAC

- 3 - Always Mafia, Nacho, Albert B. Rampage

Not Voting: ika,

Riabi

,

Sakura

,

pisskop

Votecount 2.03

(LYNCH)

NJAC

- 6 - Always Mafia, Nacho, Albert B. Rampage,

Sakura

,

pisskop

, ika
ika - 4 - Drezi, Lalendra,

NJAC

, House

Not Voting:

Riabi

We have Always Mafia (TTH) and Lalendra tagging along on the two main wagins D1, with ABR giving it a push later on the first, House joining in on the second, then AM and Lal staying on ika and both House and ABR pushing the lynch wagon.

It doesn't appear on the votecounts, but ABR joined the ika wagon first 765, and soon changed his mind and jumped on the Metal wagon 774 that got lynched.

D2 we have AM (TTH) starting the wagon on our cop, ABR, Lalendra and House joining my ika wagon. After Nacho gave NJAC a push, ABR decides to swap to NJAC aswell, two town joins bam ika happens.

I still have a good feeling lynching TTH and ABR too.

[Riabi]

Hmmmm, Drezi, that's some interesting VCA there. I agree that this makes both TTH and Lalendra super suspicious. I'll also point out another pattern I noticed... Nacho is either not voting or voting for a townie on every one of those vote counts. Is he potentially trying to fly under the radar?

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Lalendra

[Riabi]

I should have said, I voted Lalendra over TTH mostly because her reasoning on voting me is awful, and looking back, most of her reasons to vote are either parrots of someone else, or complete crap.

[Drezi]

Nacho slot (RachMarie) has not played at all D1 so it's natural that there's no votes. He voted NJAC D2 and that's about it.

[Riabi]

Nacho slot (RachMarie) has not played at all D1 so it's natural that there's no votes. He voted NJAC D2 and that's about it.

Fair enough.

[TellTaleHeart]

~Whistles~
Nobody Special, can you confirm that everyone picked up the private message you sent out informing everyone of Day 3 start?

As of this moment, everyone has.

Votecount incoming, sorry for the delay.

I need Nacho.

I don't think Drezi is scum.

But why? Drezi can definitely be scum. There are some town posts but what before then?

ABR, this proves ika knows the game is going but was avoiding the thread. The two most recent posts were just responses to prods, nothing more. You know damn good and well ika lurks as scum and you want to characterize it as a "Jesus take the wheel" wagon?!

Why?

Would you lynch Lalendra today?

[TellTaleHeart]

Drezi is a crap push, ABR, and I'm betting you know that too. His reasoning is derptacular, but it's all there and fleshed out and is internally consistent in all its glorious wrongness.

I think it's Lalendra, ABR, and ika.

[Drezi]

Vote: Drezi

Spoiler:

Drezi is a crap push, ABR, and I'm betting you know that too.

But if you think he's scum, why are you telling him this? I mean I'm sure you know scum will have to bullshit something, so why are you surprised disappointed, scolding call it what you will?

Also you know I'm ok with ABR so you can vote him!

[Drezi]

NJAC

- 6 - Always Mafia, Nachomamma8, Albert B. Rampage,

Sakura Hana

,

pisskop

, ika
ika - 4 - Drezi,

Lalendra

,

NJAC

, House

Metalcyanide

- 7 -

SIR CYANIDE

, Drezi,

Sakura Hana

, House,

pisskop

, Albert B. Rampage, ika
ika - 4 - VictorDeAngelo,

Lalendra

, Riabi,

Metalcyanide

Sakura Hana - 1 -

NJAC

Not Voting: Nachomamma8

The two lynch wagons from Days 1 and 2 are roughly the same. Four names show up on both those wagons (the majority). Contrast this to the ika counterwagon.

The only name in common between the two days is Lalendra.

Two different sets of people tried, and failed, to lynch ika on Days 1 and 2. You could argue that the scum team just rotated and different scum pushed the ika wagon, but I think that's unlikely and

I think those wagon compositions are quite town.

(ika, Riabi, Nacho) or (ika, ABR, Nacho) scum teams make lots of sense

I don't see Lalendra here!

I think it's Lalendra, ABR, and ika.

So how did it start to make sense since then? Nacho seemed to make a lot of sense in both compositions back then, now he's all but gone in favor of Lalendra!

[TellTaleHeart]

That was before she jumped ship from the ika wagon onto a "scum slip" that doesn't exist.