Mini 1633 ~ Non-normal Mafias Mafia OVER!!!

[ika]

/first to confirm

[ika]

oh hell ya

(ive been lazy and dont want to read 17 pages give me like half an hour to skim and give out my magical colored read list)

[ika]

Ika, this time youd better explain what each colour means. Last time i saw your rainbow reads, you were scum.

dont worry its a null tell at best tbf.

im just wanting to be lazy in a game for once as town. if you want reads on one of the spcifics i can do that but im not going to be quoting all 17 pages of why i have reads on people

now you can sit down and wait or let me do my magic

[ika]

ok i got lazy after page 5 of doign real reading

(while i was on vaca i loosly followed the game)

so based off my memory and 5 pages of reading so far

Om of the Nom - prob town
tn5421 - town
MTD - need to iso
ika - town
Ghostlin - still want to hear how many guns are in play
Metal Sonic - need to iso the slot again
Mathdino - prob scum
Flubbernugget - might be scum
FourTrouble - prob town
FuDuzn - need to iso
Paschendale - need to iso
eyestott - town
Zombehs - need to iso


going to iso now and fill out the rest of my reads

pedit: you posting is not sitting and waiting.... its destracting cus i need to respond to you so i dont forget it and lag behind

pedit2: im going to be poit blank with you on that post and its going to be

slight OGCish: i am hardly ever fucking lazy as town, i will tell you point blank if you think im going to be fucking lazy in this game then you are stupid. i know the game has been shitty and lazy mostly do to the apathy but really if thats all your going to say to me i will jsut agro vote you out of spite. thats one thing that grates me real fast is when people think im lazy

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that being said if you want to motivate people what you should jsut start up a banwagon on another player

[ika]

after isoing:

MTD - null leaning scum
Metal Sonic - so the case is he forcing townblocks?
FuDuzn - scum
Paschendale - scum
Zombehs - wtf....

zom is just all odds of wtf to me tbh cus i come form a site as well where day one is 24 hrs so to figure out the skill set:

ZOm:

how many games have you played?
what is your homesite?
do you have a scuma nd town game that you cna link to?

i think zom is prob neutral if anything

pedit: let me make it clear then so you understand my POV

when i put foward effort i give it 110%, right now we have reach a poitn where everyone is fucked up lazy and board with the gamestate. You can't force people to be active. You will soon see that i will omst likly dominate the chat and become a very spammy poster and will be quick to bounce ideas and talk and banter and crap like that.

If you want to motivate people just start up a new lynch train on someon. i already have plans to stir up the game as well but im holding that off till later (and no its not role related, it play related)

[ika]

ika for the love of god
i am not calling you lazy
stop taking this as a personal attack
you said in your post you wanted to be lazy
and i just said i didnt want you to be


VOTE: Ghostlin
im curious as to this then ika help me with this i wanna see what it leads to

im not really taking it as personal attack tbh, i just find that when people dont know my play it irks me that they assume that.

(yes i said i want to be lazy but it should also clearly state that by default im not lazy but meh)

but sure im game for a turbo-wagon
VOTE: ghost
(vote will prob move later)

also why is pasch scum over tn

tn change of vote to me to get my attention (yes im aware of your vote and i delibertly ignored it)

also tn posts a LOT less as scum (tn should recall our open game where i replaced in)

im iso phach again and so far i have seen potshot attack on players and passiveness while tn is actialy trying to do stuff

[ika]

conspiracy idea: there is no mafia and that this game is a thinly veiled game of neutrals vs town?

[ika]

lets start a vanity wagon:

VOTE: dino

(this game stangnted so far so im beoard)

[ika]

i ignored his case entirly cus i still read him as scum.

om joint me on the blitz wagon of dino.

[ika]

ghost: does your role state what kind of role would have guns or do we not know?

[ika]

im just laughing at how he ignored everthign you asked him to do....

im just going to put him down as him trying to save a sucm

[ika]

1)ika how do you think ghostlin's census works out in terms of scum?
2)do you think its just one third party
3)do you think its a one man scum and a traitor
3)or do you think he's lying

(survivors or other non-gun 3p roles can be littered throughout)

1) if his role works like hes stating (that he finds ou how many guns are in play) that any "scum" that uses guns would show having one (mafia mainly)
2) doubt it, we have firefighter and shirnk claims already iirc correclty so its either (under premisis that all claims so far are thruth):
a) my assumption that we have a mass of 3p roles and no real "informed minority"
b) just red hearring roles and that they are esnsally "named townies"
3) i still think its just a mass of 3p roles that don't have guns and that the role could be implying that we have inventor(s) who can hand out guns or gun-like weapons

[ika]

i think role implications cant be trusted due to the non-normal claims made by the mod
role claims can be trusted to be true but the roles that counter them cant be hypothesized to be included do u get me

i think?

if my understanding is correct: you think the claims are true but the existence of their counterpart is not.

if thats not it you need to rephrase

[ika]

that is it basically
i dont see what is guaranteed beyond the assumptions of truth in player's claims

you must understand that i am also a mod who makes has a huge thing for 3ps and bastardized elements/setups

im basicly playing outguess mod by applying my own mod meta and that if this was me:

we currently have at face value: firefigher (arson counterpart), shrink (cult counterpart), gun cenus (1 gun in play)

so it looks like the mod is using regular roles and nothing custom (which is what i like to do)

so from there i would assume that if the mod is using regular roles their counterparts exist

makes sense on why i beilve that there jsut a bunch of 3p scums and no real "informed minority" atm?

[ika]

So you think we have a lot of self-aligned roles in play, rather than a coherent faction?

I think I can get behind that; as it actually makes sense.

yes

[ika]

I'm not defending him. I'm debating the merits of the push. It seems to me that scum would leap on a poorly justified push like this.

translation: im defending dino but im going to put more words to make it look like im not

[ika]

hard defending every lynch choice is not a good way to garner townreads if thats what ur after

I just oppose the bad choices that are probably being pushed by scum. Are you preoccupied with being townread? Seems like the sort of thing that someone with no allies would be doing. Are you a faction all by yourself?

how about you be productive and tell us who the scum on the waogn is. you have yet to even answer half of the things om asked.

its not too late to join us and redeem youself

[ika]

yes i am a faction all by myself it is called the OM faction because I am just that special and all we do in this faction is talk about how great OM is and how OM should be ruler of MS

no
get the fuck onto a wagon that will go somewhere instead of defending every single one that does

OM

Welcome XXX you are an

OM worshiper

aligned with OM

Your ability:
-Each day you must talk about how great the mighty OM is
-If OM is in the game you must sheep OM and nobody else

Your wincon: Ensure that OM is great and mighty

[ika]

I think i broke the game if thats your role....

[ika]

Guys outguessing the mod is bad m'kay

no in bastadized games i find outguessing the mod to be the most fun thing.

hard defending every lynch choice is not a good way to garner townreads if thats what ur after

I just oppose the bad choices that are probably being pushed by scum. Are you preoccupied with being townread? Seems like the sort of thing that someone with no allies would be doing. Are you a faction all by yourself?

how about you be productive and tell us who the scum on the waogn is. you have yet to even answer half of the things om asked.

its not too late to join us and redeem youself

1)You do see that I have a vote cast, don't you? You should join me. Vote for Om.
2) She's trying very hard to find reasons to lynch people based on anything besides an analysis of their actual play and is overly concerned with other people townreading her.
3) We already have reason to think that there are solo factions in this game, such as an arsonist.
4)She's playing exactly like a third party survivor should play.
5)She's not creating actual analysis than can be used against her later and she is trying to get people onto her side.

6) Oh, and badgering people with pointless questions is a pretty scummy tactic, too. I'm hardly going to convince her of the case against her, and all it does it provide the opportunity for useless nitpicking. If you have questions about my case on her, by all means ask, but I'm not in the habit of entertaining nonsense from my scumreads.

7) Oh, and deflection. Look at the post right after yours. We have established that there are solo factions, but Om makes a joke out of it. She has no answer, just deflection.

8) And, of course, she can't actually make a good argument for why I should agree with her, so she resorts to threats and bullying.

1) no
2) called town parnanoia, ive seen players who get paranoid of buddying
3) yes we agree on that
4) survivors wincons: live to end, arson wincon: eliminate everyone
5) this goes against poitn 3 where shes paranoid of ppl town reading her
6) disagree, if i say "what is your favorite color?" is it pointless? on face-value yes, deep down no
7) we never really established it we jsut largely agree on it atm. i could point toward where you have yet to answer om orgional rebuttle if you like
8) thats not alignment indicative. if you disagree you disagree.

[ika]

I think I've just found my shepard.

Sheep

Welcome TN you are a sheep, Your shepard is YYY

Your ability:
-You must sheep YYY all game
-You share a 1-way chat with Ika located here

Wincon: Ensure your shepard win

[ika]

Im tot gonna use this game to use for ideas on random and funny roles

[ika]

How about "why isn't everyone sheeping Pasch when he's obviously right?"

how about "why havent you responded to ohms rebuttal yet?"

[ika]

wait titus is here?

anyone up for day 1 poilcy lynch on titus? if titus is smart she shoudl sheep me

[ika]

How about "why isn't everyone sheeping Pasch when he's obviously right?"

how about "why havent you responded to ohms rebuttal yet?"

What rebuttal? Keep mind, a rebuttal is a well founded argument, not just deflection or nonsense. Om has yet to do anything other than ask me to quote her not saying things. That's not a rebuttal.

Hey, why are you defending Om so hard? See? I can pull that one, too.

so you agnkolwage that om has asked you to pull up relevant quotes. you have not.

thats why im notlistening to you. for all i know om could be right and your BS your ass off right now.

TBF im not really defending om, im just pointing out how sitty your case is on OM atm. if i wanted to defend OM i would be much more apparent about it.

Like i said, pull up quotes and let om rebuttle it then. otherwise im calling BS with you.

[ika]

wait titus is here?

anyone up for day 1 poilcy lynch on titus? if titus is smart she shoudl sheep me

Why is Titus a good Policy Lynch?

titus is always good policy lynch. (we have a history together is the short version)

[ika]

wait titus is here?

anyone up for day 1 poilcy lynch on titus? if titus is smart she shoudl sheep me

Why is Titus a good Policy Lynch?

titus is always good policy lynch. (we have a history together is the short version)

I want the informative version.
Why should I vote Titus on policy, over people I legitimately find scummy?

she ends up having terrible reads and 9 times out of 10 hinders people then helps

(im paritaly joking about the policy overall but i wouldnt object to it, you should see xmen)

she was also in the unballenced game where she flaked out (and to this day im pissed, i was so hoping to bus her to fuckign hell)

[ika]

There's a difference between shitting all over the bed trying to help, and then just shitting all over the bed because you're too lazy or scummy to even try.

That's a terrible reason for a policy lynch, and you should feel terrible.

seeing how we have played over 4 sites and dozens of games? no, not one fucking bit

im going to be blunt here (and sligh OGC), NEVER EVER FUCKING TELL ME THAT TITUS IS A TERRIBLE FUCKING POLICY LYNCH.

unless if you fucking know the fucking shit that titus has put me though in the past, you have NO FUCKING RIGHT to ever tell em shes a terrible fucking lynch.

she is the only fucking person who has actualy made me legit fucking rage as a fucking scum. and let me tell you, thats quite a fucking feast. she has also ticked me off in many fucking games to a point where i just flat out yelled in fucking caps for the entire fucking thing. cus some town coundlt see how fucking obvious of a scum she was and how she was pushing for my myslynch

so no, i am not going to fell terrible, you never tell me otherwise when it comes to titus. unless if you know the full history we have, you have like 0 says in this on what i should feel/think

[ika]

@ika, 1) can you stop with this policy lynch nonsense?
2)I did flake on the one game we had as scum together. I was looking forward to it. I flaked all of my games due to irl.
3)You also got pissed in games that were six months ago and frankly you get pissed if anyone does not understand or question you.
4)Learning to communicate better is why I play but if we have opposing wincons(or I think we do) there will be conflict. So deal with it.

Ghostlin that is exactly why I placed the vote. I want interaction as it helps me read people.

1) no
2) i know you flaked, im annoyed about it too but that life life sucks thats besides the point to me why i advocate it
3) pisses is the nice way of saying, try "fucking enarages" you still dont understand why i advocate it, do you?
(heres a hint: check robber at casino, you were wrong on GC/shos and i was right on BBT)
4) but you still dont? and i am dealing with it by advocating a policy lynch on you.

Why do you think Om is not active? He is to me.

The Om focus is to generate conflict and force people to take sides and make reads easier. I could have focused on anyone but getting details from Pasch helps me read both.

Why do you not want to discuss Om? What is your read on him?

seeing how eye is voting with ohm, probally a town read

[ika]

1)Ika, your thoughts on Ohm?

2)Sometimes one has to vote with null or scumreads. Stop with the Garcia.

3)Wow I am loud and someties wrong before vca. Shoot me.

1)you should read the game and see.i have already clearly stated my stance im not in the game to repeat mysefl to you

2) no im going to garcia it intentionaly to piss you off

3) trust me, i would of already done that if i had that power

[ika]

1) Ika, you have been active lurking most of the game.
2)I am not searchinh and guessing. If you posted, you could link me rather than being beliggerent.

1)i was on vacation during most of that time frame, nice misrep

2) too bad so sad, do your own work on me. you already know my stance on you and that if you really think im scum already your going to get the full ire again that was unfolded in WH. so dont even start with me

[ika]

1)Every game you throw a tantrum, I either laugh my ass off because I am scum and did nothing but ask a question. When I am town, I laugh and cry because I have no clue what set you off.
2)Just chill and play.

1) i throw one when i have to play with you as of late
2) easier said then done, you know that.

off to work. at least there i don't have to deal with this stress

[ika]

The ika vs titus argument feels a bit forced to me, from both sides, although I'm looking more at ika here than Titus.

are you saying that my furstation that titus relace in this game now is fake?

(hint your answer bette be no)

[ika]

1) why is Om town?
2) Why would Pasch be so confident in something so wrong?

1) do you think ohms paranoia is legit of faked?

2) as town: confirmation bias, something you know all too well
as scum: easy way to fake scum hunting, tunnel someone
as 3p: executioner target

[ika]

can we just all have fun and lynch a inactive slot for kicks and giggles?

om move back

[ika]

i coullllldddddd. but i want to antagonize her further

[ika]

can we just lynch an inactive slot and move on?

[ika]

IDGAF

VOTE: ika

lets do it

[ika]

Wait, what? Why? Is this to prevent an Om lynch?

nope, i liatrly no longer care.

go ahead vote me. makes my life easier. i get to watch from dead thread then and see how you guys deal with a bunch of inactives

[ika]

im already selfvoting titus come on its obvious your scum right now with your WK on me

[ika]

New iPad has autocorrect.

Why can't we lynch Om or Eye?

Ika, town play like jester. Lesson 1 I learned at sc2mafia.

b/c they are town

now vote me

[ika]

so when to we lynch me?

[ika]

I don't disagree in principle, but we have a week until the deadline.
Why do you ignore the good reasons to lynch Ika? He is basically steadfastly refusing to participate in the game.

misrep, i am but nobody is doing jacks shit and we are talking about lurkers and nothign about the game

He's avoiding discussions,

misrep, i am not. plz tell show me a USEFUL converstation that i have ignored. tell me something that has been brought up thats worth a grain of my attention right now?

will only entertain lynching lurkers for the consequence free lynches, and is self-voting.

its bastardized and we have inacitve slots right now. for the self vote, so what?

He is acting against the interests of town and continues to do so.

how outside of what you have listed and i have refuted what am i doing thats not in intrest of town?

He's basically pulling a scum Varsoon play.

nope, i dont do that shit as scum

you want to draw m fire from me pash? if you really want to contiune down this we could have a good old fashin 1v1 right now

[ika]

ika, why are you self-voting? What pro-town goal are you pursuing?

randomly we decided that dino was no longer a good idea to lynch so people started to pick me and i said and i quote:

IDGAF

*votes self*

gogogogogo

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then titus defends me and spikes myparanoia
eye jumps on
phase jumps on and misreps me

basicly we are playing musical votes

[ika]

What's the pro-town objective to voting yourself?

realisticly: nothing.

what i found form it anyway: titus WK the shit out of me, phas, tn, and eye all decide to jump on (oddsa re 1 scum is in there)

[ika]

WK=white knighting

titus is trying to exuse herself form lynching me by distancing and doing moderate soft defenses of me

[ika]

(essensaly her not voting me and saying she wont implies to me shes town reading me, but not doing much to dismantle the wagon

[ika]

(essensaly her not voting me and saying she wont implies to me shes town reading me, but not doing much to dismantle the wagon

I'm not voting you and have no desire to do so.

Am I WK'ing you?

depends on the reason

why

your not

titus is using a lame-ass excuse of saying im a jester (the sc2 variation where a guilty voter dies if lynched)

you just replaced in so either:

A) your scum and you knwo im town so it easier to WK me/not vote me
B) your town and you read me as town
C) *insert reason here*

[ika]

phase seriously build your damn case or SHUT THE FUCK UP

this game is realy starting to draw my ire where i jsut come to the game and want to shout at everyone for the simple fact that they are saying stuff and not backing it up....

nothing gets on my nerves more at times in game then people saying "ill do it" and never fucking do it

phase unles if your next post is the case on me (with quotes) im goign to presume you dont have one

[ika]

but voting self is all the rage right now!

UNVOTE:

im going to prob reread this game and then decide (but consider it tenativly on phas)

[ika]

VOTE: phas

i gave you a chance to pull up a case on me and you didnt. die now

[ika]

ika as lean town

this is why im not sheeping you titus

[ika]

im literally just waiting for this day to fucking end

[ika]

so......

[ika]

i want to hear from pash as well

[ika]

are roles allowed to self target?

seriously the fact you did that if it is allowed shows you are playing anti-town wincon

[ika]

No, because is a doc self targeting anti town?

doc=/= firefighter

[ika]

If you were an arson, would you kill the claimed extinguisher?

depends are we using the sc2 arson? where all doused targets kill their visitors as well?

or are we talking about a basic arson? where they douse and then burn?

former, yes cus firefighter is non-existant role and can not self target if it did and that it would just kill off everyoen in a blazing glory

later, no cus its easier to just douse a player who is trull null and most likly wont get lynched nor get nked

[ika]

Wiki entry for Fireman: "A Firefighter is a role that protects against fire-based kills. In traditional flavor, this only allows it to stop kills made by the Arsonist. In effect, it is a Doctor that only protects from Arsonists."

and nowehre does it say it can self target

[ika]

what? I dont know what variant the arson is.
Please explain line 3.

P.edit: Well, look at the starting post.

line 3 refers to sc2 arson

This game was conceived in a chevre chat where many "anti-meta" sentiments were expressed. I decided to mod a game that didn't "check off" any boxes....

Don't try and outguess the mod.
Nowhere does CooLDoG say you can't self target.
I was more likely to prevent a night kill by arson by targeting myself, as if I were an arson, I would kill the firefighter/extinguisher if they outed themselves.

nowhere doe he say you can either...

your also missing that an asron has the power of .5 kills (due to the fact it takes at least 2 nights, one to douse and one to burn)

[ika]

Please explain line 3 better than you did originally, eg. grammar. I dont understand what you were trying to say.

the version of starcraft2 arson douses a target, then they have an option that when they ignite the person that was doused also kills off the person who they visit. its moot point stuff overall but if we are going to debats on this then leanr the sc2 mod

Okay, I dont think youre being genuine.

cool story bro, good think i dont give a flying fuck, you gonna back up that accusation with a vote?

When you mod, do you say whether roles can self target in the opening post? When I mod, i say that a role may not self target unless otherwise specified. That has not been said. Dont outguess the mod in this game.

rule of thumb for any mod tbh, unless if its stated in the rolecard that you can self target, its not allowed. Im not outguessing the mod like you are trying to paint it as.

I have already clearly asked the mod in this thread can roles selftarget and that if he says "no" we now know you lied, if he says "yes" then its vaild and this entire discussion is mostly moot point, if the mod says "no comment" then we can this entire debate has a merit on others if they think you can self target or not

[ika]

are roles allowed to self target?

@mod

read above. I edited the post AFTER I posted a blank vc.. sorry for confusion.

[ika]

yes. There is another way to resolve night actions?

mod talk: arguably yes, you can do an Order of Operation where you have a set order of how actions resolve so it can deal with odd paradoxes

Ill pm/skype you if your intrested about it

Yeah, I know that exists, but isn't it essentially the same thing except with tie breakers already stated?

[ika]

i quit paying attention to him after he became tryhard jester

[ika]

also pasch what do you fucking think you will gain from antagonizing me im not going to claim scum so you can fucking toot your horns because i am not scum full stop just get the fuck off my case

MTD, can you just confirm me so i can get oasch to fucking shut up

It would be even worse if you were confirmed not to be scum, because then you have no excuse for consistent anti-town play.

says the guy who defended the cult leader

[ika]

also pasch what do you fucking think you will gain from antagonizing me im not going to claim scum so you can fucking toot your horns because i am not scum full stop just get the fuck off my case

MTD, can you just confirm me so i can get oasch to fucking shut up

It would be even worse if you were confirmed not to be scum, because then you have no excuse for consistent anti-town play.

says the guy who defended the cult leader

You've been consistently anti-town, too. I wonder what kind of bizarre anti-town role you'll have when you flip.

i await the quotes that back up your accusation

[ika]

can we fix the player list with who replaced who?

shit, sorry. I am really in a rush. I will try to fix this tonight or early tomorrow.

[ika]

VOTE: eye

hammer now the game is finally moving alone

[ika]

well now gun cencus makes sense

[ika]

-.-

why house?

[ika]

says the guy who was wrong on everyone so far....

[ika]

know what the most ironic thing is, when the wagon was building on me on day one eye jumped on it happily so unless if you assume he was also trying to bus me day 1 im going to just scoff and laugh at you

[ika]

pffffff lol

keep reaching. im just going to sit here and socff at you

[ika]

i like how your also neutral hunting and not scum hunting.

you claiming to be eyes buddy? more then once have i seen scums just try to neutral hunt in attempts to pass it off as genuine scum hunting.

so plz tell me more about your shitty case on me

titus was scum and i pushed it
i defended om cus he was town
i went after eye for his obvious fakery

so plz misrep more

[ika]

im fine with my myslynch overall just make sure you lynch phase next

[ika]

im fine with my myslynch overall just make sure you lynch phase next

Is thia meant to be pasch? I'm also looking at pine

yes, this game has literally stagnated to nothing. i have to get ready for work

[ika]

dodge XD

(tot doing it for no reason other then to piss off pasch)

[ika]

motherfucker

[ika]

oh its fucking obvious im not town at this point.

im a 3rd party lyncher who had pine as my target and now that hes fucking dead i cant win

[ika]

Ika gambit?

no gambit, legit claim.

if you look back and iso me day one you can see pretyy clearly i was pushing for a lynch on my target. i asked CD what happens if target dies and i jsut flat out lose.

so basicly im an extra vote

[ika]

its also why yesterday i was litarly like "idgaf about my lynch"

[ika]

I think these results are sufficiently screwed up to consider Tn a suspect. Why the heck do you believe Ika? What has he done all game to help us find scum?

cus i told you what i am and that if you look at iso it makes perfect sense based on myplay?

[ika]

>.>
<.<

[ika]

I'm a one-shot bulletproof. I don't know if my ability has been used up already.

it was used last night

i already told you guys though that i was 3p lyncher who could not win so tis meh for me

[ika]

He's just messung with us. I've seen a vig claim VT at l-1 rhen admit ti being scum after they were lynched. It's nor out of the quesrion that he is just trolling. Also hw is lying. I was targetted last night.

Then we have redirector. I dont lie about my shit.

i shot fucking pahse b/c he was juat an annoying perosn who wanted gone. I already told you i lost the damned game with pines death

[ika]

OK ika is clearly lying. He thinks it is more likely there is a transporter than scum shot me and he shot pasch. Just ignore what ika is saying.

I expect an aplogy post game when you see i dont fucking like about my fucking shit.

seriosuly i may lie and decive as town for wifom and games, but when im 3p/lost cause, i dont fucking lie.

if you read my god damned iso you will see that my play was very clearly directed towards pine slot for a while.

[ika]

still stand by me shooting phase.

it was a mod error that i got the gun late.

[ika]

By "phase", do you mean me?

I mean when i said i shot you. i jsut got up to see the games over.

i never lied about it and it pisses me off when people think i do