Open 589: Duck Duck Goose (Game Over: Somebody Won)

[Storyteller]

Vote Count 1.08

With 12 alive it's 7 votes to Lynch.

Voting for:

Netherspite (1): Honey bee
davesaz (1): vettrock
talah (0):
Honey bee (0):

NJAC (4): ploben, Netherspite, Taly, ChriVi

dodgy56 (2): oddmusic, davesaz
vettrock (0):
Kaboose (0):
oddmusic (0):
ploben (0):
ChriVi (3): Talah, Kaboose, dodgy56
Taly (1): NJAC

If deadline is reached without any changes to the votes,

NJAC

would be lynched.

Not voting (0):

Deadline is March 22nd, 0600 UTC or in (expired on 2015-03-22 06:00:00)

[davesaz]

@Mod:

On the last VC, NJAC and ChriVi were tied, but you said ChriVi would be lynched. Is a tie decided by first to reach that number, or is it a no-lynch?

[Netherspite]

According to the rules, it is decided by first to reach that number.

[Storyteller]

@Mod:

On the last VC, NJAC and ChriVi were tied, but you said ChriVi would be lynched. Is a tie decided by first to reach that number, or is it a no-lynch?

Chrivi reached 3 votes first and nobody surpassed him, so technically he was first to that position. NJAC got 4 votes and surpassed Chrivi so he is up for the lynch.

So, it is correct, a tie is decided when the cloth is worn in a knot around your neck...

Oh, sorry My bad wrong tie. So, You tie the knot around the player who reached the highest number first and strangle him...

with a tie.

So there is no ties in this game. Well, except the tie you use to strangle someone...

Or make them look sharp...

Seriously, this is not rocket science. It's Fashion...

to the death.

[ChriVi]

Without a flip there's not much we can say, but if ChriVi flips scum, maybe oddmusic's 82 might indicate they're scum together.

What.

How in god's name could that post link us as scum? A wagon started on me for no reason because you guys can't handle yourselves, and he doesn't like the wagon because of it. He does hope the pressure gets me to post more.

How does that link us as scumbuddies? Like what? I can't tell if you're really bad town or scum.

Either way
VOTE: NJAC
~ Viomi

Case on talah due tomorrow.
~Chrimi

A "I don't want to be lynched so let me vote the other dominant wagon" vote, perhaps?

Why would a town member want to get lynched? I know NJAC is scummy and it's a way higher chance that lynching him will result in a scum lynch than lynching myself... After all, I know if I'm lynched that it's a 100% chance of a town lynch since I know I'm town.

Seriously, I'm really tired of town members being willing to die and sacrifice themselves so easily. Don't you see that only plays to scum's wincon?

[vettrock]

Why would a town member want to get lynched? I know NJAC is scummy and it's a way higher chance that lynching him will result in a scum lynch than lynching myself... After all, I know if I'm lynched that it's a 100% chance of a town lynch since I know I'm town.

Seriously, I'm really tired of town members being willing to die and sacrifice themselves so easily. Don't you see that only plays to scum's wincon?

I'm going to go with partial agree on this one as well. No town member should want to get lynched. I heard and sometimes used myself that town shouldn't have to try to be town, but actually they do. They have to convince their fellow town they are town to prevent the mislynch. Town should be concerned about being lynched.

The second part however with the voting the opposing wagon because it has the most votes I disagree with. Town should be voting to find the scum, they should not be voting to lynch the people that suspect them, or the most oppurtunistic vote which leads to a different mislynch. This seems to be what ChriVi is doing here in my read. I'm not ready to call them scum, but not pro-town play.

[vettrock]

Why would a town member want to get lynched? I know NJAC is scummy and it's a way higher chance that lynching him will result in a scum lynch than lynching myself... After all, I know if I'm lynched that it's a 100% chance of a town lynch since I know I'm town.

Seriously, I'm really tired of town members being willing to die and sacrifice themselves so easily. Don't you see that only plays to scum's wincon?

I'm going to go with partial agree on this one as well. No town member should want to get lynched. I heard and sometimes used myself that town shouldn't have to try to be town, but actually they do. They have to convince their fellow town they are town to prevent the mislynch. Town should be concerned about being lynched.

The second part however with the voting the opposing wagon because it has the most votes I disagree with. Town should be voting to find the scum, they should not be voting to lynch the people that suspect them, or the most oppurtunistic vote which leads to a different mislynch. This seems to be what ChriVi is doing here in my read. I'm not ready to call them scum, but not pro-town play.

The one caveat I forgot to add. When it gets closer to the deadline, voting for someone with no wagon, the "vanity vote" isn't really helping town either. At that point you need to pick a wagon rather than result in a No Lynch in most cases.

[Kaboose]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: NJAC

[vettrock]

I did and ISO on NJAC, and nothing stands out to me saying scum. The below is the most substantial post.

NJAC, davesaz, and vettrock
- Thoughts on the ChriVi wagon? Anything you'd like to add to the table of opinion and/or analysis?

I understand the wagon. If I hadn't been AFK at the moment it began forming, I would have voted them.

I also don't like when people behave like a jerk, so 88 alone makes ChriVi deserve more votes.

Without a flip there's not much we can say, but if ChriVi flips scum, maybe oddmusic's 82 might indicate they're scum together. If ChriVi flips town, then I'd say Kaboose could be a scum on their wagon.

I agree with the jerk part, but unfortunately it isn't really alignment indicative, even if I wish it was.

[Kaboose]

I understand how being a jerk doesn't mean one is town or scum. However, being a jerk surely isn't beneficial to town. So wouldn't it benefit us as town to eliminate someone not being beneficial to town?

[ChriVi]

Why would a town member want to get lynched? I know NJAC is scummy and it's a way higher chance that lynching him will result in a scum lynch than lynching myself... After all, I know if I'm lynched that it's a 100% chance of a town lynch since I know I'm town.

Seriously, I'm really tired of town members being willing to die and sacrifice themselves so easily. Don't you see that only plays to scum's wincon?

I'm going to go with partial agree on this one as well. No town member should want to get lynched. I heard and sometimes used myself that town shouldn't have to try to be town, but actually they do. They have to convince their fellow town they are town to prevent the mislynch. Town should be concerned about being lynched.

The second part however with the voting the opposing wagon because it has the most votes I disagree with. Town should be voting to find the scum, they should not be voting to lynch the people that suspect them, or the most oppurtunistic vote which leads to a different mislynch. This seems to be what ChriVi is doing here in my read. I'm not ready to call them scum, but not pro-town play.

And where did I say that was the reason for my vote? Please don't misrep me and assume things because of your gut, kthx.

[ChriVi]

I understand how being a jerk doesn't mean one is town or scum. However, being a jerk surely isn't beneficial to town. So wouldn't it benefit us as town to eliminate someone not being beneficial to town?

Hell yes.

[vettrock]

Why would a town member want to get lynched? I know NJAC is scummy and it's a way higher chance that lynching him will result in a scum lynch than lynching myself... After all, I know if I'm lynched that it's a 100% chance of a town lynch since I know I'm town.

Seriously, I'm really tired of town members being willing to die and sacrifice themselves so easily. Don't you see that only plays to scum's wincon?

I'm going to go with partial agree on this one as well. No town member should want to get lynched. I heard and sometimes used myself that town shouldn't have to try to be town, but actually they do. They have to convince their fellow town they are town to prevent the mislynch. Town should be concerned about being lynched.

The second part however with the voting the opposing wagon because it has the most votes I disagree with. Town should be voting to find the scum, they should not be voting to lynch the people that suspect them, or the most oppurtunistic vote which leads to a different mislynch. This seems to be what ChriVi is doing here in my read. I'm not ready to call them scum, but not pro-town play.

And where did I say that was the reason for my vote? Please don't misrep me and assume things because of your gut, kthx.

I did not mean to imply you said that directly. No one says, "I'm going to vote the other wagon because I don't want to be lynched and that is the best way to avoid it." Your vote, however, could easily be interpreted that way. Yes, you gave another reason, below:

Without a flip there's not much we can say, but if ChriVi flips scum, maybe oddmusic's 82 might indicate they're scum together.

What.

How in god's name could that post link us as scum? A wagon started on me for no reason because you guys can't handle yourselves, and he doesn't like the wagon because of it. He does hope the pressure gets me to post more.

How does that link us as scumbuddies? Like what? I can't tell if you're really bad town or scum.

Either way
VOTE: NJAC
~ Viomi

Case on talah due tomorrow.
~Chrimi

I'm not sure there is much validity to the link between ChriVi and oddmusic either, but voting the opposing wagon is the result. You state that you will have a case for talah tomorrow. Which seems to imply that you are scum-reading talah, but you just voted NJAC.

[ChriVi]

I am scum-reading them both now, though talah was mostly I don't like their playstyle and they make me want to shoot myself.

I prefer NJAC over talah lynch.

[Honey bee]

I have to prodge, as I am really busy currently. I'll be back by tomorrow (i hope).

[oddmusic]

I understand how being a jerk doesn't mean one is town or scum. However, being a jerk surely isn't beneficial to town. So wouldn't it benefit us as town to eliminate someone not being beneficial to town?

Hell yes.

You do realize he was referring to you, right?

[oddmusic]

@ChriVi: Could we have your case on talah soon? Because I don't think I saw you make it yet.

[oddmusic]

Hmm…dodgy has utterly vanished from this thread. This kind of drive-by posting is really bugging me.

[Taly]

Hmm…dodgy has utterly vanished from this thread. This kind of drive-by posting is really bugging me.

I'm not liking it much either, seems to be a trend on avoiding people here.

What are your thoughts on the NJAC wagon? He's at L-2...

[oddmusic]

What are your thoughts on the NJAC wagon? He's at L-2...

Lurker wagon. Very little behavior that strikes me as actually being scummy. Okay wagon at deadline, but right now it seems a little counter-productive to me.

[Taly]

What are your thoughts on the NJAC wagon? He's at L-2...

Lurker wagon. Very little behavior that strikes me as actually being scummy. Okay wagon at deadline, but right now it seems a little counter-productive to me.

Well, it's all we've got so far.

I'd also like to see ChriVi digress about her thoughts on talah.

[ploben]

What are your thoughts on the NJAC wagon? He's at L-2...

Lurker wagon. Very little behavior that strikes me as actually being scummy. Okay wagon at deadline, but right now it seems a little counter-productive to me.

At this point it's all we have to go off of. Dodgy has given us something so we can at least go back on it to compare with other people's read or compare with a post lynch alignment flip. NJAC has given us his idea that RVS isn't over unless he says it's over and talah is town but write up to come later and finally an RVS vote on taly still, whether NJAC thinks we're still in RVS or not I guess is up to NJAC. We have 2 weeks still in D1 so plenty of time but I like the idea of getting NJAC to L-1 and seeing what he's got to say.

[vettrock]

What are your thoughts on the NJAC wagon? He's at L-2...

Lurker wagon. Very little behavior that strikes me as actually being scummy. Okay wagon at deadline, but right now it seems a little counter-productive to me.

At this point it's all we have to go off of. Dodgy has given us something so we can at least go back on it to compare with other people's read or compare with a post lynch alignment flip. NJAC has given us his idea that RVS isn't over unless he says it's over and talah is town but write up to come later and finally an RVS vote on taly still, whether NJAC thinks we're still in RVS or not I guess is up to NJAC. We have 2 weeks still in D1 so plenty of time but I like the idea of getting NJAC to L-1 and seeing what he's got to say.

Why do we need to get him to L-1. So he can claim? I predict he will claim 1-shot PGO...wait, that's the same role I have. Let me guess, are there any other 1-shot PGO's out there? I agree with still have 2 weeks, and we should use them, but I don't see the point of pushing to L-1. He should say what he has to say regardless.

[oddmusic]

I've got to agree with vetrock here. There's plenty enough pressure on NJAC. There's three scum in this game, and no particular reason to assume NJAC is one of them. I'm perfectly happy with my vote where it is, putting pressure on a player besides the flavor of the hour.

[ploben]

Obviously not a claim but it would be nice for NJAC to contribute some reads and maybe explain why he's still sitting on his RVS vote.