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Post Post #1350 (ISO) » Sun Mar 08, 2015 2:33 am

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In post 1348, Riabi wrote:
In post 1345, House wrote:

In fact I do mind. I mind quite a lot.

Since you are town, you mind too.

Uhhh, ok. I don't understand, but... ok. How about I take this approach, other than taking your word for it, why should I trust that TTH is town? I don't really have enough reason based soley on her play in this game. I'm not saying she's scum. I'm saying I don't know.



The magic 8 ball says: Ask again later.

TTH isn't the topic of discussion for today, let's keep on track.
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Post Post #1351 (ISO) » Sun Mar 08, 2015 2:36 am

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Yeah, so you expect town to lynch someone because you said so, without revealing anything, because you don't want to convince scum to bus. This reeks so bad. You're not explaining anything to Riabi either who is conf town, you just expect him to buy your shit "I don't understand but.... ok." Yeah I bet that was the exact response you wanted force with that shitty vague "if you're town stfu" response.
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Post Post #1352 (ISO) » Sun Mar 08, 2015 2:38 am

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In post 1350, House wrote:
TTH isn't the topic of discussion for today, let's keep on track.

Except that in you're asking me to wait for her to weigh in before I make a decision. Her thoughts don't mean much to me at this point unless I'm at least reasonably certain that she's town.
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Post Post #1353 (ISO) » Sun Mar 08, 2015 2:41 am

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This is the pinnacle of confident bullshitting, you just say stuff expect others to believe you and refuse to give an explanation for mysterious pro town reasons. Ha-ha.
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Post Post #1354 (ISO) » Sun Mar 08, 2015 2:43 am

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In post 1353, Drezi wrote:This is the pinnacle of confident bullshitting, you just say stuff expect others to believe you and refuse to give an explanation for mysterious pro town reasons. Ha-ha.


Scumposting.

Somebody doesn't like being caught.
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Post Post #1355 (ISO) » Sun Mar 08, 2015 2:45 am

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In post 1352, Riabi wrote:
In post 1350, House wrote:
TTH isn't the topic of discussion for today, let's keep on track.

Except that in you're asking me to wait for her to weigh in before I make a decision. Her thoughts don't mean much to me at this point unless I'm at least reasonably certain that she's town.


Okay fine. Make a decision whenever you want.

Just make one about HER tomorrow.
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Post Post #1356 (ISO) » Sun Mar 08, 2015 2:45 am

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In post 1354, House wrote:Scumposting.

Somebody doesn't like being caught.

You're just proving my point dude.
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Post Post #1357 (ISO) » Sun Mar 08, 2015 2:47 am

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In post 1356, Drezi wrote:
In post 1354, House wrote:Scumposting.

Somebody doesn't like being caught.

You're just proving my point dude.


So? I never contested it.

Being abrasive and demanding isn't alignment indicative.
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Post Post #1358 (ISO) » Sun Mar 08, 2015 2:49 am

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In post 1357, House wrote:
So? I never contested it.

Being abrasive and demanding isn't alignment indicative.

True, but being vague and unhelpful isn't pro-town.
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Post Post #1359 (ISO) » Sun Mar 08, 2015 2:54 am

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So I want to bring attention to ABR's link again, and do some comparisons between ika-town and ika here.

ika town:
ika wrote:fair warning i will hammer if im around, so bezu should claim now

Gives warning that he will hammer immediately if Baezu is put to L-1 (this is his response to Baezu being put to L-2). This shows that he finds, as town, that getting claims is something that he cares about at least a little bit.

ika wrote:you got about 40 mins before i hammer

And then after Baezu was actually put to L-1 and had already claimed, ika gave her yet another 40 minutes to get any last minute thoughts out on paper, which, again, is a sharp contrast from ika here that just replaced in and quickhammered.

Subject: Robin Williams Mafia - rememberance - game over

ika wrote:
In post 472, Baezu wrote:ika - why the rush to hammer?


i have seen countless games where a scum gets to l-1 on day 1 jsut to make some shit claim or bs reason only for a counterwagon to form on a town. they then most of the time make endgame and win by coasting.

im a player who puts a stop to that. i will hammer regardless of roleclaim (barring ic/mod-proven role).

plus this just makes me look scummy as hell so if we have a cop/vig/investigative they can target me.

i make myself so scummy that scums will flat outright refuse to kill me and try to myslynch me.

ive notived titus lurking and her trying to ignore me is not a good indicator as well

Here, after ika quickhammered and people started questioning him on it (even though circumstances of hammer were much more reasonable), ika explains why he quickhammered as opposed to just lurking away with one liners. He ended that game with 360 posts as opposed to 7 here, which is sort of a giant red flag that signifies change in mindset: he used that quickhammer as a way to approach the game and "make himself scummier", but after that point, his engagement in game went up dramatically and he certainly didn't repeat the process (since there no longer was any reason to do so).

I find it harder to believe that everything about ika as a player completely changed and that a towngame happening under similar circumstances (ika wants to quickhammer, ika has the chance to quickhammer) could look so different from his towngame here than his partners bussed the hell out of him because he was playing poorly and they really didn't see a chance of him surviving a day or two. I can see a similar thing happening with the Dooku slot just because of the early wagon on him alone: a lot of the time, scum can be intimidated into joining in on a scumbuddy's wagon because they don't want to be the one person left off the wagon while everybody is on it. The weird partner interactions and a vig shot which is equivalent to an extra lynch for us is also why I have been slowrolling this game: I think it's important we hash out second and third scum much more clearly before Riabi has to take his shot.
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Post Post #1360 (ISO) » Sun Mar 08, 2015 2:57 am

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In post 1358, Riabi wrote:
In post 1357, House wrote:
So? I never contested it.

Being abrasive and demanding isn't alignment indicative.

True, but being vague and unhelpful isn't pro-town.


No, but it's in line with my general distaste of town roles.
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Post Post #1361 (ISO) » Sun Mar 08, 2015 3:03 am

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Wouldn't it be better to lynch into the ika wagon, and if it dismantles my theory by flipping town, vig ika?
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Post Post #1362 (ISO) » Sun Mar 08, 2015 3:05 am

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Yeah sure, we're totally going to follow scum.

You've been hard defending him for far too long to get out of it now, so you're staying committed to it. Kudos on that, but maybe you'll think twice about defending ika when he's your scumbuddy in the future.
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Post Post #1363 (ISO) » Sun Mar 08, 2015 3:10 am

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Yeah I defended him so much that I wanted him fucking vigged last night. I'm town and my thought process for not wanting to lynch the wifom disassociated with everyone else is clear and I have explained it countless times, if you still don't get it I'm sorry.

Or should I just say I'm not listening to scum sorry, so I can be as reasonable as you are right now.
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Post Post #1364 (ISO) » Sun Mar 08, 2015 3:12 am

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In post 1361, Drezi wrote:Wouldn't it be better to lynch into the ika wagon, and if it dismantles my theory by flipping town, vig ika?

OMG WHY? No, no no no no no no no no no AND no.

There is absolutely zero reason in my mind to lynch anyone other than the mostly likely scum target. If we mis-lynch someone by going for a different wagon, then at best town (I'm not saying us/we, because I'm talking to you Drezi, and this post has made me really think we aren't on the same team) only gets to kill one scum tonight with my shot. . But, if we lynch ika, and I shoot well, then we can kill two scum, and take the town out of MyLo, and maybe win this.
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Post Post #1365 (ISO) » Sun Mar 08, 2015 3:13 am

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@Riabi

Drezi is my choice for the vig shot tonight. That will give us some breathing room on figuring out which of Lalendra and Nacho are the remaining scum. And you'll have your concerns about my certainty of TTH put to rest. Either way, she needs to live until tomorrow.

After that, I guarantee you'll never vote for her.
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Post Post #1366 (ISO) » Sun Mar 08, 2015 3:14 am

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I think 3 scum is on the ika wagon and he's more likely town. Maybe try thinking from my POV before you come to stupid conclusions.
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Post Post #1367 (ISO) » Sun Mar 08, 2015 3:14 am

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Ok House that's it.
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Post Post #1368 (ISO) » Sun Mar 08, 2015 3:14 am

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Lynch me today, and kill House, TTH, ABR after I flip town.
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Post Post #1369 (ISO) » Sun Mar 08, 2015 3:17 am

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In post 1365, House wrote:@Riabi

Drezi is my choice for the vig shot tonight. That will give us some breathing room on figuring out which of Lalendra and Nacho are the remaining scum. And you'll have your concerns about my certainty of TTH put to rest. Either way, she needs to live until tomorrow.

After that, I guarantee you'll never vote for her.

At this point, she's in no danger from me tonight. I'm just trying to figure out how much stock I want to put into her thoughts.

Drezi wrote:Lynch me today, and kill House, TTH, ABR after I flip town.

And we would lynch you today because?
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Post Post #1370 (ISO) » Sun Mar 08, 2015 3:17 am

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In post 1368, Drezi wrote:Lynch me today, and kill House, TTH, ABR after I flip town.


If you were town you'd never say that because we're in MyLo.

Your AtE is both obvious and pathetic.
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Post Post #1371 (ISO) » Sun Mar 08, 2015 3:21 am

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Because at this point I'm that sure that they're the fucking scumteam and they keep bullshitting you and it's the only way to prove I'm town before you waste your vigshot on town, losing us the game.
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Post Post #1372 (ISO) » Sun Mar 08, 2015 3:32 am

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^ reeks of flailing scum, which is weird because she's not even the one being wagoned.

Looks like my reads hit the mark, eh? There was none of this certainty and desperation before I laid out my reads, now she's all about becoming a martyr.
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Post Post #1373 (ISO) » Sun Mar 08, 2015 3:33 am

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He's*

w/e.
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Post Post #1374 (ISO) » Sun Mar 08, 2015 3:36 am

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Your zero logic declarations seem to have swayed Riabi, and right after he voiced doubt towards me due to simply not thinking from my POV, you jump in to tell him to vig me. I am sure you're scum, sorry.

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