New York 180 (Endgame)

[Wake1]

Not happy about being lied to by Town, and losing Cop, Backup Cop, Vengeful, and Tracker.

The game's been ruined for me a bit because of the terrible plays that happened so far.

Ika, I'd like to replace out, please.

[SilverWolf]

Wow OK.........................................

VOTE: Naked Jogger

[SilverWolf]

If I read that correctly, it means that ABR even lied about following math and that she visited someone night 1. Am I incorrect about that?

You know what stinks? We don't even know who he followed for real both nights....................

[SilverWolf]

Wake, I wish you'd stay but I understand. See ya in another game.

[FakedBlogger]

unvote]

Alright JK, wtf. Jeez, did scum cheat us out of our sense of humor as well, cmon. What's the case on me anyway? Derptroll's tunnelvision doesn't make me scum. Pisskop obvdefense doesn't make me scum. I was on the viking wagon so fucking what.. that claim was improbable at best. I hammered Klingon, who could've been scum, so I don't have to die and leave no useful information behind, since nobody really cared to argument their vote.

This is the time to let bygones be bygones and lynch some scum. As for defending myself anyone want any questions answered I'm all ears.

[FakedBlogger]

Mathblade was killed, she was a vengeful townie

Looks like people regardless of faction wanted Math out of this game asap, including 2 out of vig/SK/werewolf. Funny shit right thurr.

[FakedBlogger]

Maybe scum were like this is too ezpz. Let's give them a chance and cap the troll. Oh wait no, they're gonna lynch NJ next.. oh well, at least the thought came to mind.

Vig was like ABR was indeed tracker claiming to have followed Math, I can kill 2 birds with one stone if I cap dat troll

SK/Werewolf were worried about the size of the thread and capped her for the convenience of not having to read so much fucking bullshit.

Either way, thank you guys.

[goodmorning]

I don't understand anything.

Someone should do something sheepable.

Vote: dragon

til then.

[Cheetory6]

Zzzzz. ABR probably lying about Math is just like the icing on the cake. I'm pretty sad with this game right now
I'm pretty okay with an NJ lynch, but it would almost entirely be on policy of I will be sad if he's scum and he's just sitting back and watching us all be fucking dumb. I'm happy to throw my vote there if that's what everyone wants to do, but I'm legitimately almost 100% convinced that TSO is scum based on how he handled ABR last cycle.

He spent a long time in this game trying to established that this was definitely ABR's towngame. Let's follow the train of thought:

ABR is so blatantly town, gm.

Fakeclaiming twice as scum? No.

His play aligns 100% with what he says, too - Shinobi and vikingfan have been clearly stated as what his role says they must be.

Actually, his constant lies point to ABR-town.

There's no way Ellie isn't scum, there's no way ABR and Ellie are teammates - therefore ABR is town.

I do not know what this means and think you want ABR-scum more than you believe it.

2824 is the first sign of any kind of possible doubt in ABR, but it's followed up with by this:

But I still think you're town because that shitty retarded gambit is what you would do as town.

You shouldn't have done it.

ANDDDD:

quite sure he's town to be honest

This is all fine and dandy. "Why does someone townreading ABR have to be a big deal?" Oh I don't know, maybe because he fucking changes his mind out of no where and becomes okay with ABR lynch on policy:

well the good news is either abr or mb is scum

"I still believe your claim":

Yeah, ABR, I am warning you - if we lynch you and you flip Tracker and this result was a lie too the entire game will blacklist you. And they'd be right to.

"I believe you made a mistake and that you're not scum"

ABR let's not get into counting your mistakes, there has been more than one.

And then this is the fucking icing on the cake. When I put forth that ABR might be scum tracker and Math might be SK, TSO instantly takes on the weirdest fucking stance. He clearly thinks that ABR is town, and then all of a sudden he starts saying that ABR is probably the scum tracker here:

Because a Scum tracker is exactly the kind of PR you want to leave alive!

And then he agrees with my analysis, but instead of voting for someone who seems like they're SK? He votes for ABR? Why? That makes absolutely 0 sense from his perspective if he's town. There's still a very reasonable chance that ABR is town tracker in his eyes and thus Math should be confirmed SK to him, but he doesn't follow through with that.

And then this is the real nail in the coffin:

I can make no sense of these interactions unless Cheetory's right - and if Cheetory's right then I'd rather not give ABR the chance to get information for the scumteam tonight.

His read on ABR has flipped for absolutely no fucking reason.
AND.
When asked about it, he can't even fucking come up with one reason as to why:

Because either he dies from vig or lynch and the vig could do better than shooting him.

Why would you go out of your way to blatantly defend someone as town, to blatantly call them scum tracker at the end of a cycle when it makes no sense to? I'll tell you why. Because TSO is fucking scum.

VOTE: TSO

[Cheetory6]

God it feels good to write a case on someone that I actually fucking understand.

[Aeronaut]

Phone posting, would still rather Dragon be lynched TBH. Will read up this afternoon

[goodmorning]

Cheetory is Town.

[Cheetory6]

That's great and all, but what do you think of TSO right now?

[dragonspawn]

Our town sucks this game. Too many people lying.

now wake is replacing out, not sure what to think of that.

I'm still not liking NJ and good morning still seems like gloating scum who just so happens to vote for me when I was calling him on his scumminess yesterday.

I'm going to watch a bit before voting.

[goodmorning]

That's great and all, but what do you think of TSO right now?

I think I'm reserving judgment on him.

[Kitz]

Not happy about being lied to by Town, and losing Cop, Backup Cop, Vengeful, and Tracker.

The game's been ruined for me a bit because of the terrible plays that happened so far.

Ika, I'd like to replace out, please.

I agree, it's awful. However, you shouldn't give up hope, we have now dealt with the gamethrowers and are back to the blank slate.
We can return to the game, just with less PR. Join us Wake, you were supposed to commit to the game but you were only remaining absent.

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Looks like people regardless of faction wanted Math out of this game asap, including 2 out of vig/SK/werewolf. Funny shit right thurr.

Hmm. You're saying all the killers went on Math?
Curious questions; What if there's just one killer now? The two recent nights lacked kills, as there was just One each.
If there's Vigi, can't it shoot the first night, and if so would it only have one bullet?
What if one of the killers are roleblocked?
What if there's a JOAT?

Getting the accurate answers may tell us of the kill count.

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That's great and all, but what do you think of TSO right now?

Based on interaction, I think he's either independent or teamed with someone he shown odd rivalry to*. Could be a neutral. Not less scummy than NJ.

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#GM : Can you make a Pro/Con list of Dragon?

[Kitz]

Not

less scummy

Fix'd

[Cheetory6]

Based on interaction, I think he's either independent or teamed with someone he shown odd rivalry to

What interactions make you feel this way?

[goodmorning]

good morning still seems like gloating scum who just so happens to vote for me when I was calling him on his scumminess yesterday.

If you read us in ISO I think you'll find that I called you Scum first.

But ok.

@Kitz: In a bit, maybe.

Wake's replace is weird.

[Kitz]

What interactions make you feel this way?

If you pay attention, you'll see a psuedo rivalry, cases of ignorance depending on who's appropriate of answering, buddying, etc.
So based on that rivalry, could be a team mate, or they could be different factions.
Based on all else, it's playing both the devils and the good side, giving more of a neutral flavour.

However, I'm calling out on TSO for this current statement.

I notice I have no scumreads. I need to get some.

Why do you need to state this?
Why are previous scum reads no longer scum reads?
Why are none a scumread?
Why are you not doing an effort?

[Cheetory6]

If you pay attention, you'll see a psuedo rivalry, cases of ignorance depending on who's appropriate of answering, buddying, etc.
So based on that rivalry, could be a team mate, or they could be different factions.

Can you point out a specific example of this? I'm having a hard time following what you're trying to say here.

However, I'm calling out on TSO for this current statement.

This is worth calling out but my case in which his read on ABR opportunistically changes out of no where isn't worth a second glance? Did you read 3683?

[Kitz]

Did you read 3683?

Yes. Unfortunately my lack of meta may give of a biased judgement and might be context related, which the numbers of the posts in quote are lacking.
There's three things I'm seeing : He's is used to the player and the player was not like expected, ABR blatantly gamethrew both the game and his win condition. He could be an investigative and wanted to be loud-subtle about it. Or it could be other things.

The issue I'm seeing is that ABR flipped Town, so associating by flips is hard. Even harder when a legit gamethrew occured.

Can you point out a specific example of this? I'm having a hard time following what you're trying to say here.

First clue, I'm suspicious of the interaction between TSO and Shinobi.

[Cheetory6]

I doubt there's anymore investigative roles, but if he was an investigative he would have voted for Math in the post he agreed with me.
Voting for ABR in that context makes no sense.

The biggest issue is that there is no reason/transition between his hard townread on ABR to his "I would be willing to lynch it"/"I think he's scum tracker"
The more I think about it, the more it seems like the transition came after ABR claimed a PR. Like TSO realized that if ABR lived he would be a liability, so he changed his read.
I think his stance on ABR came from an informed perspective and he changed it when it became inconvenient to keep ABR alive anymore.

I'll check out TSO/Shinobi interactions when I have some more time.

[Shinobi]

Kitz is annoying me again.

[FakedBlogger]

Vote: NakedJogger

Does anyone want to lynch this guy?