(Hilariously) Unbalanced Mafia 2 [Over]

[mastin2]

Titus is at L-1!

6-4

:

Titus - 2 (Nobody Special, Pirate Ika)

Ankamius - 1 (Titus)

Not Voting - 2 (Muffin, Ankamius)

At deadline, Titus will be lynched.
It's 3 to lynch.

[Ankamius]

Are you catching up NS?

[Nobody Special]

I am caught up. My vote is not moving.

[Ankamius]

Ok.

Unless someone has something more to add sometime today, I'm hammering.

[Nobody Special]

I have nothing to add.

I think Muffin said he might be posting something yesterday.... not sure if we should wait or not.

I'm comfortable with you hammering at any time.

[Titus]

I will just hammer. No point. Ank isn't self voting. Ika's not moving. I was hoping to one v one ika tomorrow.

GG town.

I was last dictator, not hippie.

My role pretty much trapped me. I needed a whole different composition to win here. Yet I shot ika twice. He did not die either time.

Two bp I thought was excessive. I knew I was immune to Hippie kill, so I figured ika was immune to mine. Hence commie because fascists et al were eliminated.

When communists did not flip, I was in a bad place. I knew Blizzard's anti wincon play was my only shot to win. You had to see framer or bus driver. There was none.

Ank being willing to hammer cleared him of being sk.

If Mollie was not here, this likely would have worked. Good job on doing good cop bad cop guys. Ika had it right during the ProHawk debacle but was likely skipped as paranoia bc he was also raving I was not a cop.

Overall, very well played and I am sorry for the frustration.

VOTE: Titus

#nevertrustthecops

[Ankamius]

If you're telling the truth, then that's gg.

[Titus]

Kinda surprised I came this close with so many killers. I thought winning was impossible Day 2. It was immensely frustrating to get so close and still lose. Doubly so since y'all abandoned Fin3's plan when he flipped.

Plus Fin3 not leaving 4 alive really hurt me too.

[Titus]

If you're telling the truth, then that's gg.

Yeah. It is.

If you add in kill immunities things make sense more.

If by some fluke the game is not over, lynch ika town. GG.

[Nobody Special]

I am sorry for the frustration.

I am likewise sorry for letting my frustration get the better of me. (Not an excuse, but drama elsewhere here, RL stress, etc.)

mastin, sorry if I said anything untoward.

If this is game, it was

mostly

fun.

If it's not over, I have absolutely no clue what to do next.

[Muffin]

I will just hammer. No point. Ank isn't self voting. Ika's not moving. I was hoping to one v one ika tomorrow.

GG town.

I was last dictator, not hippie.

My role pretty much trapped me. I needed a whole different composition to win here. Yet I shot ika twice. He did not die either time.

Two bp I thought was excessive. I knew I was immune to Hippie kill, so I figured ika was immune to mine. Hence commie because fascists et al were eliminated.

When communists did not flip, I was in a bad place. I knew Blizzard's anti wincon play was my only shot to win. You had to see framer or bus driver. There was none.

Ank being willing to hammer cleared him of being sk.

If Mollie was not here, this likely would have worked. Good job on doing good cop bad cop guys. Ika had it right during the ProHawk debacle but was likely skipped as paranoia bc he was also raving I was not a cop.

Overall, very well played and I am sorry for the frustration.

VOTE: Titus

#nevertrustthecops

Well, uhhh.

I was really really hoping I didn't get put into a situation where I had to choose between you and Pirate Ika so, um, thanks?

That was a really unexpected turn of events.

[Muffin]

Titus are you actually a cop? TBH I was leaning the other way thinking two dictator cops seemed really unlikely, especially given the weird role PM shenanigans with shos. Assuming that wasn't just you BSing, otherwise well done.

[pirate mollie]

okay.

I am not quite sure why every1 is tiptoeing around how the original rules on the site as put forth by mith mebbe I am the only 1 who actually read them which included:

1. don't be a dick
2. don't break the spirit of the game
3. roles are randomized

there were a few others. these 3 rules in particular made the site attractive for me cos I was coming from sites where roles/

alignments

were not always randomized and there was so much skewing of games by the mods it wasn't even funny or even fun anymore. mods were giving their friends their preferred roles, pple were being allowed to pick who they wanted to be on a scumteam with blah blah and not every1 was given being given the same option so the games were becoming unfair and favoured certain players. the reason why this is unethical is because a power differential exists between the game mod and the players as in the game mod has a greater responsibility for the outcome of the situation. ethics is a very gray area that is usually subjective because people have different mileages of what constitutes as "fair" which in the absence of clearly defined rules can be quite subjective.

but lets talk about the ms randomization. mith's original rule/guideline got lost in the ether when zoraster edited an updated modified rule, which I have already pointed out. from my understanding

flavour roles themselves

do not have to be randomized but the

alignments themselves

are still randomized in order to avoid mod abuse which violates rule #5. I think the whole reason the rule was modified in order to include Upick games and tailored flavour games which still focuses on the role and not the alignment. if I am misinterpreting this then we can save this for postgame discussion.

what i don't like is that titus is insisting that mastina skewed roles AND alignments and the basis for why she is town when mastina has never done this. I mean I wld love to hear what explanations she cos up with explaining as to how muffin as miller makes sense if customized roles to players cos i think it wld e funny I mean what is she trying to say that mastina doesn't like muffins? I mean her argument is so ridiculous th only person who seems to be taking it srsly is ank who is claimed sk. he is stalling hoping that a lynch will go anywhere but him right now and he wants to keep titus around in order to force a kingmaking scenario.

ns gets it - yaye! - and I am not quite what is confusing muffin. to me, it is obvious that titus is desperate scum I mean she cannot even cobble together a plausible for how we can possibly be scum with her inno on us, a clear tracker result, and the missing nks on the nights we were shot. I mean we wld have to be a bp ninja tailor commie hippie fascist in order for us to be scum make sense. I mean us nking fin is just laughable.

also I found the argument that "pulverize" has to be the dictator nk cos it is too "high tech" to be rather funny considering the first use of the word was used in the 15th century and it directly speaks to a hippie nk cos tree hugging crunchy granolas are oe likely to use a mortar and pestal to pulverize the dried herbs from their herb garden than a food processor I mean I shld know considering I used to live on an actual IRL commune and I had kitchen duty and did just that.

so titus is scum and just grasping at straws and muffin needs to just vote her and if the game is still on lynch ank.

[Pirate Ika]

okay.

I am not quite sure why every1 is tiptoeing around how the original rules on the site as put forth by mith mebbe I am the only 1 who actually read them which included:

1. don't be a dick
2. don't break the spirit of the game
3. roles are randomized

there were a few others. these 3 rules in particular made the site attractive for me cos I was coming from sites where roles/

alignments

were not always randomized and there was so much skewing of games by the mods it wasn't even funny or even fun anymore. mods were giving their friends their preferred roles, pple were being allowed to pick who they wanted to be on a scumteam with blah blah and not every1 was given being given the same option so the games were becoming unfair and favoured certain players. the reason why this is unethical is because a power differential exists between the game mod and the players as in the game mod has a greater responsibility for the outcome of the situation. ethics is a very gray area that is usually subjective because people have different mileages of what constitutes as "fair" which in the absence of clearly defined rules can be quite subjective.

but lets talk about the ms randomization. mith's original rule/guideline got lost in the ether when zoraster edited an updated modified rule, which I have already pointed out. from my understanding

flavour roles themselves

do not have to be randomized but the

alignments themselves

are still randomized in order to avoid mod abuse which violates rule #5. I think the whole reason the rule was modified in order to include Upick games and tailored flavour games which still focuses on the role and not the alignment. if I am misinterpreting this then we can save this for postgame discussion.

what i don't like is that titus is insisting that mastina skewed roles AND alignments and the basis for why she is town when mastina has never done this. I mean I wld love to hear what explanations she cos up with explaining as to how muffin as miller makes sense if customized roles to players cos i think it wld e funny I mean what is she trying to say that mastina doesn't like muffins? I mean her argument is so ridiculous th only person who seems to be taking it srsly is ank who is claimed sk. he is stalling hoping that a lynch will go anywhere but him right now and he wants to keep titus around in order to force a kingmaking scenario.

ns gets it - yaye! - and I am not quite what is confusing muffin. to me, it is obvious that titus is desperate scum I mean she cannot even cobble together a plausible for how we can possibly be scum with her inno on us, a clear tracker result, and the missing nks on the nights we were shot. I mean we wld have to be a bp ninja tailor commie hippie fascist in order for us to be scum make sense. I mean us nking fin is just laughable.

also I found the argument that "pulverize" has to be the dictator nk cos it is too "high tech" to be rather funny considering the first use of the word was used in the 15th century and it directly speaks to a hippie nk cos tree hugging crunchy granolas are oe likely to use a mortar and pestal to pulverize the dried herbs from their herb garden than a food processor I mean I shld know considering I used to live on an actual IRL commune and I had kitchen duty and did just that.

so titus is scum and just grasping at straws and muffin needs to just vote her and if the game is still on lynch ank.

sorry

[Titus]

I already hammered myself ans

@Muffin, I am scum insane cop.

I was hoping ns would townread me and shoot you. Or I could shoot NS and depend on you. Bleh.

[Pirate Ika]

I will just hammer. No point. Ank isn't self voting. Ika's not moving. I was hoping to one v one ika tomorrow.

GG town.

I was last dictator, not hippie.

My role pretty much trapped me. I needed a whole different composition to win here. Yet I shot ika twice. He did not die either time.

Two bp I thought was excessive. I knew I was immune to Hippie kill, so I figured ika was immune to mine. Hence commie because fascists et al were eliminated.

When communists did not flip, I was in a bad place. I knew Blizzard's anti wincon play was my only shot to win. You had to see framer or bus driver. There was none.

Ank being willing to hammer cleared him of being sk.

If Mollie was not here, this likely would have worked. Good job on doing good cop bad cop guys. Ika had it right during the ProHawk debacle but was likely skipped as paranoia bc he was also raving I was not a cop.

Overall, very well played and I am sorry for the frustration.

VOTE: Titus

#nevertrustthecops

apparently i missed some posts

(((titus)))

I thought you played a good game cos you made it pretty far. and ika kept coming up with the strangest theories as to why you cld be town. our postgame discussion in hydra will be interesting to say the least. interesting that mastina changed the dictator flavour nk late game in order help another faction.

[Pirate Ika]

titus I am sorry if you felt that I was leaning too hard on you.

[Pirate Ika]

well finally mollie has given me permission to post again XD

i do have some things to say but i will save it for post game as well.

Titus: your ultimat downfall was trying to nk us as well as trying to cover every gap we kept pointing at.

[Muffin]

Or I could shoot NS and depend on you. Bleh.

Yeah, you+me+PI in LYLO was pretty much my nightmare scenario in this game. If you go back to my post where I made those outcome charts I labeled those outcomes as "trouble" as in "I'm fucked".

Setup spec led me to believe two scum cops on the same team was unlikely.

I felt like Mollie/Ika went full buddy mode on me after I expressed doubts on you just before Night 5 so it made me paranoid they were scum.

Who knows? You just might have got away with it.

[Pirate Ika]

I am looking at the spreadsheet and wondering if all the scum nks had different flavours. that wld make sense and wld fit in with no midgame changes. cos I bet wis did all of the fascist nks being a ninja.

I'll shut up now and wait for the game to officially end.

[Muffin]

Pulverized most likely. It's the new one.

So you think they no-killed and/or were blocked 3 nights in a row?

So which was it, Titus? Unlucky shots?

[Muffin]

does anythign not make sense/confusing?

I follow, that all makes sense to me from the POV of you as town.

Learning opportunity. I should have trusted this instinct instead of second guessing.

[Pirate Ika]

does anythign not make sense/confusing?

I follow, that all makes sense to me from the POV of you as town.

Learning opportunity. I should have trusted this instinct instead of second guessing.

Truth be told, mollie was the one who would not let me throw out an obscure theory and that my reachout to you was trying to show you the transparency of my thoughts.

One of mykey things that i struggle with at times is showing how my thoughts work out, and TBF my scum!titus read of day 1 and for most of the game was really based off the fact she was trying to use her role to make herself town. Most of my argument actually strived to "yes your cop, but you are scum cop" from "you are fake claiming"

titus was too consistent to be fake claiming cop but it showed by her play that she ran a scum agenda

[Voidedmafia]

6-F

:

Titus - 3 (Nobody Special, Pirate Ika, Titus)

Not Voting - 2 (Muffin, Ankamius)

At deadline, Titus will be lynched.
It's 3 to lynch.

A lynch has been achieved! Please wait for Mastin to present the flavor and flip.

[Muffin]

Truth be told, mollie was the one who would not let me throw out an obscure theory and that my reachout to you was trying to show you the transparency of my thoughts.

Yeah and I totally got that transparency. It was a good play on your part. A player who was more confident than me in his ability to scumhunt would have seen the light and not

second

third

fourth

fifth-guessed themself.