New York 182 - Game Over

House · Post Post #12 (isolation #0) » Fri Mar 13, 2015 2:00 pm

VOTE: copper223

Dude's scary good as scum. Get him out of the way early, before he can do damage.

House · Post Post #130 (isolation #1) » Fri Mar 13, 2015 6:10 pm

VOTE: pisskop

Choo choo.

House · Post Post #145 (isolation #2) » Fri Mar 13, 2015 11:42 pm

Welcome to the game.

VOTE: Otolia

House · Post Post #173 (isolation #3) » Sat Mar 14, 2015 3:18 am

In post 169, Antihero wrote:
In post 166, Gorkington wrote:could have same issue with a doublevoter.

doublevoter is whitelisted and has precedence

hated is NOT whitelisted and has NEVER been used in any normal setup before

i'm not hammering on this because LOLSETUPSPEC. i'm hammering on this b/c hated is a claim that buys you pretty cheap towncred but is impossible to verify and in this case i'm having doubts that it's even possible

i don't buy the claim

VOTE: varsoon

This hammer does not match up with his scummy.

Ergo, he is scum.

House · Post Post #174 (isolation #4) » Sat Mar 14, 2015 3:20 am

Time go to buy a slushee while I wait for the flip.

House · Post Post #178 (isolation #5) » Sat Mar 14, 2015 3:23 am

In post 177, Antihero wrote:fake hammer gambits are for mediocre players, house

rise above it

You're the one that claimed your vote was the hammer, I just played along.

House · Post Post #181 (isolation #6) » Sat Mar 14, 2015 3:25 am

In post 179, Gorkington wrote:is varsoon scumsaucy outside the claim?
i dont see it.

Varsoon's very existence indicts him as scum.

House · Post Post #469 (isolation #7) » Sat Mar 14, 2015 5:46 pm

In post 182, Antihero wrote:i'm hammering ON it. as in, focusing on examining the claim. i didn't say i hammered literally.

BS. If that was your intent, your post would not have included a vote on the wagon.

House · Post Post #479 (isolation #8) » Sat Mar 14, 2015 6:17 pm

In post 264, elusive wrote:
Oh look House is in this game. What flavor slushee was it?

The slushee was a crumb that I knew Anti was fake-hammering.

Where do you buy a slushee? 7/11.

How many votes are required for a lynch? 11

How many votes did Varsoon have? 7

I was warning my scum buddy Varsoon not to let anything slip because he was L-4.

House · Post Post #482 (isolation #9) » Sat Mar 14, 2015 6:20 pm

In post 271, elusive wrote:PS. Copper is town because he looked up choof's one complete game on here and saw that he was town and accurately described his meta. So copper reads town to me unless Many Extreme Things.

Read http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=59782 and say that again.

copper is devious.

House · Post Post #485 (isolation #10) » Sat Mar 14, 2015 6:24 pm

In post 290, pisskop wrote:Doublevoter is verifiable, for one.
Hated/loved is meh. I really doubt he is actually hated

His claim is absolutely confirmable. Run him up to L-1.

I don't buy the b/s about how he magically "loses" the modifier in LyLo.

House · Post Post #486 (isolation #11) » Sat Mar 14, 2015 6:28 pm

In post 308, pisskop wrote:I'm not townreading him.
. In fact, I'm curious to see what content comes forth from him.
He'll slip up more.

How has he slipped up? If he'll slip up more, then obviously he has already slipped up.

So how did he?

House · Post Post #487 (isolation #12) » Sat Mar 14, 2015 6:28 pm

In post 309, pisskop wrote:Or once.

Was your previous post a slip?

House · Post Post #489 (isolation #13) » Sat Mar 14, 2015 6:35 pm

In post 345, Varsoon wrote:
In post 341, Gorkington wrote:fact is that you could be using that metatell as scum to try and get sympathy.

And then a cop-investigate destroys me.

Look, if you guys want to lynch me before LYLO, if I'm that much of a liability, fuck it, fine. Sure.
But I'm town.
Lynching me now is stupid.
Lynching me now is LITERALLY a fucking get-out-of-day-one free card for scum.

So why not let Varsoon live D1, cop investigate d2, and everybody hypoclaim an investigation result on Varsoon D2 so his alignment is cleared if the cop dies before he is lynched on other merits?

This wouldn't work if Varsoon is an II SK or GF, so there is that. Or, if he's a goon or something, his little ploy is foiled.

I don't consider cop cleared town conftown, but scum is scum barring a miller claim, which I haven't seen from Varsoon.

House · Post Post #491 (isolation #14) » Sat Mar 14, 2015 6:47 pm

In post 385, Otolia wrote:You guys are giving me a headache. I can't do possibly follow this game and code at the same time

Posts like this are bullshit fluff.

Anyone that joins a large game should know that there is going to be an insane amount of posts by virtue of the size of the game. Whining about it is nothing but active lurking & contributing to the very problem they are complaining about.

House · Post Post #492 (isolation #15) » Sat Mar 14, 2015 6:48 pm

In post 389, pisskop wrote:
In post 388, Gorkington wrote:so copper, are you consoling yourself on the reasoning behind your vote on me in the off chance im town?
because if so im so coming to get you tonight if i dont get lamelynched today.

I really hope you are an SK, or some such.

Why? Because you know he's not on your team?

House · Post Post #493 (isolation #16) » Sat Mar 14, 2015 6:54 pm

In post 435, Antihero wrote:/gasp

i'm a heavyweight...?

/lump in my throat

I know, right? That's some hardcore buddying right there.

Kinda sucks because I was dying to scumread you.

House · Post Post #494 (isolation #17) » Sat Mar 14, 2015 6:58 pm

In post 457, droog wrote:hey all
reread incoming

Yay droog!

House · Post Post #495 (isolation #18) » Sat Mar 14, 2015 7:02 pm

In post 475, Marquis wrote:house
varsoon
pisskop

i'm with anti on pisskop but i think house's play is rly rly similar to our last large normal right now

Fucking lol.

House · Post Post #506 (isolation #19) » Sun Mar 15, 2015 12:52 am

In post 497, Varsoon wrote:It bugs me how much House AND Flames clearly haven't read that I lied about my claim and are acting like it's still in play.

Especially with Flames voting me. =.=

I was waiting until I caught up reading before casting a vote.

I read your confession, so it was obviously not worth voting you to "confirm" your claim.

Now as to whether your lie makes you scum or not... I haven't decided yet.

House · Post Post #507 (isolation #20) » Sun Mar 15, 2015 12:53 am

In post 500, Otolia wrote:
In post 491, House wrote:
In post 385, Otolia wrote:You guys are giving me a headache. I can't do possibly follow this game and code at the same time

Posts like this are bullshit fluff.

Anyone that joins a large game should know that there is going to be an insane amount of posts by virtue of the size of the game. Whining about it is nothing but active lurking & contributing to the very problem they are complaining about.

I'm not whining about the insane amount of posts, I'm complaining about the inanity of the majority of them.

By contributing inanity.

Like I said, bullshit fluff.

House · Post Post #509 (isolation #21) » Sun Mar 15, 2015 2:47 am

In post 508, Flubbernugget wrote:House's investment in there being a cop in the setup bothers me

Because one post with a suggestion is total investment.

Dumbass.

House · Post Post #512 (isolation #22) » Sun Mar 15, 2015 2:52 am

In post 510, Flames of Disaster wrote:Seems like that's the case.

Vote me then. Your words mean nothing without it.

House · Post Post #514 (isolation #23) » Sun Mar 15, 2015 2:56 am

In post 513, elusive wrote:The reason I'm not voting Varsoon is not everyone in the game has posted yet or posted substantially.

I'm also trying to figure out why Varsoon would claim such a weird role as scum. What is the mindset behind it? Why not claim some vanilla type role?

Run of the mill roles might be countered.

From the sounds of it, Hated isn't a common role in these games, which lowers the likelihood of a counterclaim.

House · Post Post #565 (isolation #24) » Sun Mar 15, 2015 5:59 am

In post 562, Flubbernugget wrote:
I in no way said you were town. If you were my scumbuddy I'd be bussing the shit out of you.

Point taken.

VOTE: Flubbernugget

House · Post Post #571 (isolation #25) » Sun Mar 15, 2015 6:07 am

In post 568, Flubbernugget wrote:
In post 565, House wrote:
In post 562, Flubbernugget wrote:
I in no way said you were town. If you were my scumbuddy I'd be bussing the shit out of you.

Point taken.

VOTE: Flubbernugget

Are you implying I'm bussing him or

Nope, I'm implying you are scum and he is lynchbait.

House · Post Post #597 (isolation #26) » Sun Mar 15, 2015 8:40 am

In post 576, Flubbernugget wrote:
House wrote:
In post 568, Flubbernugget wrote:
In post 565, House wrote:
In post 562, Flubbernugget wrote:
I in no way said you were town. If you were my scumbuddy I'd be bussing the shit out of you.

Point taken.

VOTE: Flubbernugget

Are you implying I'm bussing him or

Nope, I'm implying you are scum and he is lynchbait.

Okay. So you agree that varsoon is lynchbait with me, and you're still voting me despite the counterwagon I'm trying to form?

White knighting is a thing.

Also, avatar.

House · Post Post #598 (isolation #27) » Sun Mar 15, 2015 8:41 am

In post 579, Antihero wrote:oh fuck off

your argument is that i'm toxic so i'm either going to
1) prove you right and replace out and reduce the toxicity
2) prove you wrong and your argument is shit

either way is fine with me

Or you could do the town thing and move the fuck on, Mr. "Best Town Performance".

House · Post Post #608 (isolation #28) » Sun Mar 15, 2015 9:33 am

In post 607, Flubbernugget wrote:
In post 597, House wrote:
In post 576, Flubbernugget wrote:
House wrote:
In post 568, Flubbernugget wrote:
In post 565, House wrote:
In post 562, Flubbernugget wrote:
I in no way said you were town. If you were my scumbuddy I'd be bussing the shit out of you.

Point taken.

VOTE: Flubbernugget

Are you implying I'm bussing him or

Nope, I'm implying you are scum and he is lynchbait.

Okay. So you agree that varsoon is lynchbait with me, and you're still voting me despite the counterwagon I'm trying to form?

White knighting is a thing.

Also, avatar.

I've town read varsoon where?

That's what's so scummy. You're criticizing his wagon without committing yourself to a read.

House · Post Post #794 (isolation #29) » Mon Mar 16, 2015 8:12 am

In post 784, copper223 wrote:I was the first to say Pisskop looked scummy (still does), but that read really came out of the blue for me.

Then vote pisskop.

Anti's town, unfortunately.

House · Post Post #798 (isolation #30) » Mon Mar 16, 2015 9:05 am

In post 795, copper223 wrote:Why do you think so?

Because his scum game sucks.

House · Post Post #801 (isolation #31) » Mon Mar 16, 2015 9:32 am

In post 799, copper223 wrote:He told you himself he is getting better at it.

I can say I'm getting better at finding scum, but are you going to sheep me on every wagon I vote?

House · Post Post #806 (isolation #32) » Mon Mar 16, 2015 10:26 am

In post 802, copper223 wrote:If I do it would be because I'd believe you to be always right, which is unlikely, but this is not as much me asking you to join if you don't think Anti is scum, it's more about figuring out if you have what I comsider to be a valid reason to say he is town.

Yeah, he sucks as scum and I've yet to see any games of his where he doesn't.

House · Post Post #956 (isolation #33) » Mon Mar 16, 2015 5:48 pm

Fuck it.

VOTE: Flames of Disaster

Since all the cool kids are doing it.

House · Post Post #982 (isolation #34) » Mon Mar 16, 2015 6:36 pm

In post 975, pisskop wrote:
In post 963, pisskop wrote:
In post 956, House wrote:Fuck it.

VOTE: Flames of Disaster

Since all the cool kids are doing it.

Eww House. 'Fuck it' is actually a moderate strength scumtell for some people.

In post 957, Flames of Disaster wrote:There is something bothering me...

pisskop' avatar is that of a cute puppy.

Nope. Kee your hands off me

vote: Flames

House, why are you coasting this game?

Because potato.

House · Post Post #984 (isolation #35) » Mon Mar 16, 2015 6:55 pm

In post 983, Flames of Disaster wrote:Why not strawberry?

This shit is bananas.

B-a-n-a-n-a-s.

Spoiler:

House · Post Post #994 (isolation #36) » Tue Mar 17, 2015 1:39 am

In post 993, Otolia wrote:
In post 988, Seohyun wrote:
In post 717, Otolia wrote:
Are these rhetorical questions ? Right now there isn't anything better to do than making sure the town is set on a decision regarding Varsoon's lies. Call me old-school but lying as town should be a basis for a policy lynch in any and all normal scenarii.

Also I was waiting for people to do something else than vote me and be done with it - like Seohyun above, just so we can get some productive work going but it seems it shall not be the case. I was trying to reason with Sakura Hana but she can't grasp the difference between explicit and implicit, so that's sad. House hasn't replied to my question here.

Not rhetorical questions, pls answer. Also, what's your idea of productive work? getting varsoon lynched? Everything else is unimportant?
Is there anyone else you have a read on besides varsoon? Share your opinions, I promise it be won't harmful in establishing good reads or your money back!

They were rhetorical questions. You can't possibly ask me directly if I'm scum. You may not like the way I play but I've been playing Mafia IRL for more than a decade. Do you really think that were I scum, I would admit to be ? Don't be ridiculous. I shall not answer any of your first questions aside from re-iterating that I have no emotional connections with Varsoon. His play is objectively bad and he should be treated as a liability.

1. Productive work is work that leads to the desired specific outcome. When you're fishing, you don't just grab the first rod you find and go to the river, no you prepare your rod to catch the specific fish you want and you organize yourself so that you can indeed catch it. Same with scumhunting, throwing a wide net and hoping to catch scum with it is fine, not moving on to specifics afterwards is the mark of poor town play. Note that this is what I flagged Flubbernugget doing.

2. Varsoon is a liability, he lied about his abilities before L-1, then got caught and admitted said lie. Now he is saying he can proves his alignment by tomorrow. I do believe there is a strong possibility he is town (and a PR at that), but I can't feel but intrigued as to why he decided to act before L-1. So far, he has not given town enough to trust him. If he is indeed town-aligned, he has fucked up immensely but still acts as if he were the sole person able to help town. This is incredibly arrogant and foolish for someone who succumbs to the first wagon in a Large game. I think lynching him is the safest play and it's the one I advocate. But consensus needs to be achieved regarding his actions. And at that point, I believe his death by lynch or Vig would be better than his death by NK. In the first case, we control and people are held accountable, in the second, we don't really know. What if he is killed by someone and we can't see his alignment or his previous abilities ? There is too much breadcrumb left by Varsoon for me to ignore and move on to another case. As such I shall remain on his wagon until people start acting rationally.

3. Right now, everyone is in the same gray area. I am leaning scum on House, Flames of Disaster and Flubbernugget while there is probably scum among the people not posting much.

Do you consider yourself dumb?

Because wanting to lynch someone on d1 that claims they can confirm themselves as town on d2 is pretty fucking dumb.

I don't think you're dumb. So why are you doing something dumb?

Vote a scumread and be productive.

House · Post Post #996 (isolation #37) » Tue Mar 17, 2015 2:37 am

In post 995, Otolia wrote:
So you agree that he should be lynched D2 if he cannot prove that tomorrow and isn't dead ?

Perhaps you missed this...?

In post 831, Varsoon wrote:
Look, I know there's a whoooole bunch of shit going around today.
But here's something I can actually prove:
I will be confirmed town tomorrow.
If I'm not, run me up for lynch.

(Short answer: yes)

House · Post Post #1008 (isolation #38) » Tue Mar 17, 2015 4:54 am

In post 1007, Gorkington wrote:Do you think I should need to back it up?
Do you think you're playing like you normally do?

I think you should.

House · Post Post #1142 (isolation #39) » Thu Mar 19, 2015 6:33 pm

Shit, this one is a no-brainer...

VOTE: Anti-Hero

House · Post Post #1144 (isolation #40) » Thu Mar 19, 2015 6:35 pm

Oh damn, you're in this game too?

@mod

: replace out please.

House · Post Post #1155 (isolation #41) » Thu Mar 19, 2015 6:45 pm

In post 1152, Marquis wrote:droog is just being normal

Nothing to do with droog.

pisskop makes it his life's mission to dog me in damned near every game we're in together, and I'm tired of it.

House · Post Post #1160 (isolation #42) » Thu Mar 19, 2015 6:52 pm

In post 1159, pisskop wrote:Scum House is just mad Im voting hi- WAIT A MINUTE

#byebye

^ I rest my case.

Avoid games I'm in or I'll start reporting you for harassment.