Open 588 Pick Your Poison -- Game Over

[TellTaleHeart]

Meanwhile, Nacho continues dragging his feet on that ika hammer.

[Nachomamma8]

Vote: Ika

Patience, young padawan.

[Lalendra]

Your zero logic declarations seem to have swayed Riabi, and right after he voiced doubt towards me due to simply not thinking from my POV, you jump in to tell him to vig me. I am sure you're scum, sorry.

Where do you get the impression that my view is swayed? Atm, I'm still intending to hammer ika (pending some more time) and then likely vig Lal. That said, I am finding you scummier and scummier, but it's your play that's doing that to me, and not the drivel that House is spouting.

Don't vig me unless you want to lose, because I'm town.
Drezi's play does seem scummy - not pushing for the most likely scum target, scum-reading House who flipped IC - and I would really like to see a Drezi vig.

TTH ABR, and Lalendra, and my townread on Nacho was based on him not hammering, but it looks like he wasn't here at all, so I'd need to rethink that especially if he happened to do it suddenly now.

Nacho's hesitation to hammer ika seems a bit scummy but it is possible that he just wasn't around.

In my opinion he's not. You can just vig ika.

Again, you are pushing for people to jump off of the ika wagon and trying to go for other players instead - scum!Drezi is scum.

Vote: TTH

Pushing Nacho to hammer and then lining up a vig kill on me. Nope.

This is scum angling for endgame.

TTH is scum. Ika is as well due to his avoiding the game, but I want TTH today.

And now you're also trying to steer people away from the ika wagon? I'm really starting to think a ABR/Drezi/ika scumteam. The other weird thing, though, is how ABR kept soft-prodding Nacho, trying to get him to come in and make a comment or wanting to hear from him before making any decisions, which almost makes me think they might be scum together as well.

L-1 ika - 4 - TellTaleHeart, House, Lalendra, Riabi (House and Riabi are conftown, I know I'm town, TTH is questionable)
Albert B. Rampage - 1 - Drezi (Possibly bussing, but more than likely simply trying not to seem like obvious avoidance while also not voting for ika)
TellTaleHeart - 1 - Albert B. Rampage (I really have no idea what to make of this vote.)

Not Voting: Nachomamma8, ika (ika is lurking, Nacho was hesitant to hammer until called out on it)

I'm thinking Drezi lynch tomorrow but we have a lot of time to figure it out.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Say what you want Lalendra, I still think you're scum.

[Riabi]

Don't vig me unless you want to lose, because I'm town.

Your play and your voting suggest otherwise.

Say what you want Lalendra, I still think you're scum.

Last minute desperation bus? Probably.

[Nobody Special]

Votecount 3.04

ika - 5 - TellTaleHeart, House, Lalendra, Riabi, Nachomamma8

Albert B. Rampage - 1 - Drezi
TellTaleHeart - 1 - Albert B. Rampage

Not Voting: ika

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline: (expired on 2015-03-24 02:44:33)

[Nobody Special]

ika, Mafia Goon,

has been lynched.

Night Three begins now. All night actions are due in my inbox by deadline.

Deadline: (expired on 2015-03-12 00:58:39)

[Nobody Special]

Albert B. Rampage, Mafia Goon,

has been shot.

House, Town Innocent Child,

has been shot.

Day Four begins now. With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch.

Deadline: (expired on 2015-04-02 02:23:21)

[Nachomamma8]

Vote: Lalendra

pew pew pew

[Riabi]

Yeah, we can finish this up quick, methinks.

VOTE: lalendra

[Lalendra]

Bad choice y'all. We're not in a position to mislynch, please dint lose the game for us now.

vote: Drezi

[Lalendra]

At least town will still have a shot at winning, even if you do lynch me, as it'll be 3-1. But I'd much rather just finish up the game today than watch everybody go "oh shit, well, NOW who do we think is scum?" after I die.

[Lalendra]

Actually, now that I think about it, she was defending ika but she also pointed the finger at ABR. If she was scum, it's unlikely that she would put herself at such a significant disadvantage by bussing one scum buddy on the same day another got lynched, thereby making herself the lone scum remaining.

unvote

for those who think I am scum, if you have questions, ask them. I will answer them to the best of my ability.

[Riabi]

Ok, since this game seems to be stalling.... Lalendra, why do you think that House was killed? I mean, I know he was conftown, and that makes one a NK target, but, why him over me, do you think?

[Lalendra]

I was wondering the same thing, since you actually have a night action you'd make a better target. Either it was somebody that was pissed at house for some reason, or it was because they thought he was more dangerous. When I have time tonight I'm going to go through and see if I can find anyone that seems like they wanted house dead more than you.

[TellTaleHeart]

for those who think I am scum, if you have questions, ask them. I will answer them to the best of my ability.

Who's scum?

[Drezi]

Ok, I've reread stuff.

VOTE: Nacho

[Drezi]

Will post why tomorrow, off to sleep now.

[Lalendra]

I am inclined to agree Nacho, largely because of ABR constantly soft-baiting Nacho for his opinion. Thoughts?

[Nachomamma8]

I am inclined to agree Nacho, largely because of ABR constantly soft-baiting Nacho for his opinion. Thoughts?

Why does that make me scummy? I might be a little biased here, but ABR's weird negging/obsession with me seemed pretty distinctly not scum-scum.

[Riabi]

I am inclined to agree Nacho, largely because of ABR constantly soft-baiting Nacho for his opinion. Thoughts?

I'm not sure how ABR's actions make nacho scummy. That said, Drezi, I'm very interested to hear your thoughts.

[Lalendra]

Yeah...I'm going to sheep Nacho on this.

Vote: NJAC

(ika, Riabi, Nacho) or (ika, ABR, Nacho) scum teams make lots of sense, so your "PoE" is already flawed.

If Nacho was scum, you would never see it coming. This is Nacho town, I guarantee it.

I can tell you it's not Nacho or Riabi who have been my town reads for even before Riabi claimed. We are still waiting on another PR to claim and that could confirm one more innocent. I don't know beyond that.

I need Nacho.

Unvote

I don't want to be wrong. Nacho needs to comment.

When I was in my first game as scum, and I wasn't talking as much as my scumbuddies wanted me to, they did this sort of soft-pushing to get me to talk. Also, when confscum says they "guarantee" someone is town, it makes me raise an eyebrow.

[Lalendra]

Unvote, vote Lalendra

Lynch Lalendra or we might as well resign right here.

This game has been letdown after letdown. I can't even imagine us winning this. Nobody listens. People rush to bandwagon without thinking. Just stop and think for a moment, how is Lalendra town? That vote on Riabi is scummy as hell. She's scum.

TTH's slot was scummy, ika could be scum, it could be you. Lalendra is the one I'm most sure of.

I don't even know what Lalendra is doing now, but I absolutely wouldn't want to lynch her, noone ever pushed her and now suddenly people want to lynch her, it just screams scum wanting easy mislynch.

This blows my mind on the scale of scumminess. Going after someone who has never been gone after is an easy mislynch? How does that even work in your brain?

You never pointed a finger at her, not even a single shred of doubt, and now you're just coming up with your shit that she's scum go ahead and lynch her. She's been on the sidelines, noone has a strong feeling about her being town, so naturally it'll be easy to start making people paranoid.

I did point my finger at her, in the beginning of the day. I voted you but I said I suspected her.

It's Lalendra. Are you trying to tell me like all the people who have been in the spotlight are more suspicious than all the ones that most people have forgotten are in the game?

Or it could be you, Lalendra, and TTH.

Lalendra should be scum, unless I'm way off about this game. What doesn't make sense about any of this is the night 1 kill. Why Sir Cyanide? He suspected Sakura Hana and TTH and I don't remember who else. He wasn't a fan of lynching dooku.

Say what you want Lalendra, I still think you're scum.

ABR was the most vocal about me being scum, and trying to lynch me. Given that he flipped scum, I don't see how anyone could believe that I am scum; why bus one of your scumbuddies when there is no pressure to do so? He was just trying to start a wagon on me because he was scum and I am town. Period.

[Riabi]

When I was in my first game as scum, and I wasn't talking as much as my scumbuddies wanted me to, they did this sort of soft-pushing to get me to talk. Also, when confscum says they "guarantee" someone is town, it makes me raise an eyebrow.

You're never going to convince me that Nacho is scum by this associative argument. If you think he's scum, give me an argument based on HIS actions, or the actions of the slot.

ABR was the most vocal about me being scum, and trying to lynch me. Given that he flipped scum, I don't see how anyone could believe that I am scum; why bus one of your scumbuddies when there is no pressure to do so? He was just trying to start a wagon on me because he was scum and I am town. Period.

ABR's push on you is neutral in my mind. It's entirely possible that he could be bussing you. Why bus when there is no pressure to? To look town.

[Drezi]

Alright, so with ika being confirmed scum, looking at the overall game, I think Nacho is the last scum.

D2 we had Nacho coming in and trashing the ika wagon, and starting the counter on NJAC, ABR joined, and it gained heat from that point.

The saddest reality is that the vote I liked most on that wagon was ABR because he was honest about it and didn't dress it up with bullshit.

My impression at the time was that he simply went ahead to save a scumbuddy, simply because he could afford to do so, so whynot? He also gave a soft townread to ABR along the way, because again, at that point in time, it was a perfectly safe and neutral thing to do.

D3 he still liked my proposed ika!vig possibility, and tried to avoid going down the ika lynch way, after ABR introduced the Lalendra angle, Nacho was also asking around about Lalendra, if we thought she could be scum etc.

I need Nacho.

I don't think Drezi is scum.

But why? Drezi can definitely be scum. There are some town posts but what before then?

This looks like ABR to a scumbuddy being like "yo, we could def get Drezi lynched, you high mate?"

It was right after this, that ABR abandoned pushing Lal/me and voted ika, and afterwards Nacho made 1359 and started leaning towards and ika lynch too, him dropping the Lal angle aswell. This was where they decided that "well k, we bus". Nacho was also a bit too confident in my being town tbh, I think he wanted to have me as someone who'd vote someone else over him in the end.
He started this day on a tone that looked like "game solved ladies and gentlemen, vote away" but I haven't actually seen a case on Lalendra from him last day either, he just sortof agreed that yeah she's prob scum guys.


Also ika+Lalendra just doesn't feel right to me. If you look at ABR+ika interactions, we see that D1 acryon (ABR) pushed Dooku (ika) over that chatching up thing, probably wanted to get in some distancing, but it exploded. He still wasn't voting Dooku, ABR later voted him, but quickly changed his mind and jumped on the town wagon instead.
D2 he voted ika again, and after Nacho made the push on NJAC, ABR left the bussing wagon once again, and took the opportunity to vote town. D3 he tried to push me/Lal before going for ika. This is along the lines of what scum bussing would look like.

Lalendra on the other hand voted ika D1, voted him D2, voted him D3 and kept the vote and scumread pretty consistently ending every day there. Also we had ABR pushing me/Lalendra at first, and he only decided to bus when that angle didn't prove fruitful. I think at first he tried to get town lynched, and only resorted to bussing after that didn't work out.
Of course Lal could be scum and it just so happened that she never had to move her vote because someone else got lynched always, and it could be that Nacho just got it wrong, and defended ika D2 and happened to give ABR a soft-town, and they happened to shift their push to ika together by chance, but well it's too many assumptions and coincidences for my taste.

All in all, I think the whole game looks straightforward and makes most sense with Nacho!scum.