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wikipedia.org is your friend if you care for more info - but I'm sure flavor is fairly unimportant for figuring out anything - unless there's some kind of claiming going on it probably won't come up. But yes, if you're scum, that changes this just let us know and we'll help you figure everything outcuban smoker wrote:I think I signed up for the wrong minigame. My anime knowledge is limited to a couple love hina shows an old roommate made me watch and that awesome trippy movie Sen to Chihiro no kamikakushi. Oh yes, and who I am, but the name means nothing to me.I'm suspicious - in every sense of the word.-
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Fishing is always suspicious, speculation and discussion is good town behavior - but directly asking someone (basically..) what their role is on day one is scummy. There may be good and bad reasons for why Jack is acting the way he is, so you can vote him or not depending on what you think about his actions. However point blank asking someone their role is a-no.-1 scummy behavior.Skruffs wrote:thrawn - interesting theory.
Unvote, Vote spectrumvoid
I don't see why cubsfan is suspicious for 'fishing ' - knowing what is up with Jack can keep allow us to stop being suspicious of him, if he is town, and spend our energies on other pursuits.
Fishing is scum looking for a good night kill :-/ But its nice to know your guys stick up for each other
unvote, Vote SkruffsI'm suspicious - in every sense of the word.-
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I saw cubs fishing as far less scummy than your defending him for fishing. I don't really think that he is your scum buddy, I was just being cheeky.Skruffs wrote: Yama - if you think cubs is scum for fishing, and that therefore I am scum for defending him, why are you voting me? Isn't it more likely a townie would be accidentally defending a scum than a scum would intentionally stick their neck out defending a townie?I'm suspicious - in every sense of the word.-
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Every good townie should be questioning the motives of strange behavior and posting. So of course the question was on my mind (up until Jack said he didn't have a restriction, which cleared up most of everything) - but what good would the question serve? A Mafia member wouldn't be honest, and a townie shouldn't tell. I'm not making a big deal about his statement, I'm only making a small deal about your defense of his statementSkruffs wrote: Yama : Cubs did not ask jack what his role was. You are exaggerating his question. He asked 'what was up' due to jack's vote hopping all over the place. This is a questoin that was on my mind, too - if it wasn't on yours, that's fine, but you're creating a pink elephant where there is not one by makign some sort of taboo about talking about it.
You keep defending him as well, instead of yourself. I guess your thought process is if his question was justified, then your defense of him about my pointing out the fishing-ness of his question is justified?
Seems a bit convoluted to try and defend yourself through him - especially when its you I'm voting for... and not just for that reason. But your defensive behavior is noted.I'm suspicious - in every sense of the word.-
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I think it started things off pretty well actually - doesn't make you town thoughJack wrote:
It's certainly been more interesting than the first few pages usually are.Skruffs wrote:
There *are* no post restrictions in this game, it's a *normal* mini, not themed. So Jack is doing all that stuff of his own free will - Is there a reason for it? Who knows...I'm suspicious - in every sense of the word.-
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Not that I find Simenon any less perplexing by his vote or attack on you, but OMGUS much?thrawn1020 wrote:
Well, I don't understand your argument. We've agreed that Jack doesn't have a post restriction a little while ago, and itSimenon wrote:Cuban Smoker wrote: cuban smoker wrote:
BIG FOS: Skruffs for vote hoping to spectrumvoid who made a good point. I should also note that players who post a lot are valuable (either as townie or mafia) and thus voting for/lynching spectrumvoid is destructive. I would switch my vote to scruffs if I didn't have it squarely pointed at my favourite target.
I really don't understand this argument
Vote thrawn1020(Bolded for emphasis) I really don't like his fishing for Jack's character or his possible post restriction. It seems like he's trying to get a little too much out in the open that I would care for.
seemedpretty likely that he had something or other until he broke the pattern. I don't know where cuban smoker has his vote currently, but it certainly makes sense to support a lynch on Skruffs without voting when not everyone was in the game.
Whether or not you like the fishing, I didn't receive anything for it, and I backed off once it was clear he didn't have one. Now that everyone is here and there is no scent of a post restriction, and I've apologized, I'm not sure why you decided to vote me over the schizophrenic postings that have been going around.
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What about what Jack is doing makes him suspicious to you? I'm not saying I disagree with your assertion, but I want to know what it is about his actions that make you think he might be scum.Cubsfan4ever wrote:Skruff's behavior does not seem unusual to me, perhaps if anything a bit overeager. I'm not really sure why Jack has been getting a pass for his incredibly... odd behavior. WIFOM or something? Err... right no questions. Right, so looking back I don't really get Jack much and find him to be a bit suspicious. He's basically been just randomly voting like crazy then making non-contribution points such as "I agree" and the such. So he gets my fos at the moment.I'm suspicious - in every sense of the word.-
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I'm not pro-cubansmoker, but we might be on the same wave length. I hadn't noticed the correlation. But I do like his dislike for Cubsfan, which is a plus in my book.Skruffs wrote:you meant cubansmoker, right?
because I was referring to cubansmoker.
I'm not assuming anything - just bringing to light something worth considering. THey have had almost identical tactics this game, and don't seem to question each other at all. It's worth noting.I'm suspicious - in every sense of the word.-
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I think he's scummy in this game, I've never played a game with him before - so I don't have any meta reasons for my vote - just what I've already stated.Skruffs wrote:Yeah... cubs gets lynched a lot in games because it's 'cool' not to like him outside of the mafia games. While that's unavoidable to a degree, when you're blatantly using that as a reason to lynch someone, you're not really helping the town. Just a little FYI.I'm suspicious - in every sense of the word.-
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That's a bit sketchy Skruffs. I don't know his alignment, he may be trying to attach himself to me for all I know. Saying things like this make you look a little scummy. If you see a pattern between two people day one, you might be able to use that day two - but saying lynching one of us will confirm the other? That's scummy...Skruffs wrote: On a similar note, this means that lynching one of you will give a basis as to the alignment of the other.I'm suspicious - in every sense of the word.-
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It makes me curious as well, but saying that if I'm town he's probably town or if I'm mafia he's probably mafia (and vice versa) is not the logical end to that reasoning. It's a lot of WIFOM.Skruffs wrote:Yamo - I was taking his reasoning one step further.
That you are saying I'm scummy, when He is the one tying himself to you, and not responding to him yourself, is making my ears perk waaaay forward, like an attentive cat's.I'm suspicious - in every sense of the word.-
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Actually second place matters a lot. If there's a substantial wagon on the second place person and the first place person comes up mafia, you can learn a lot about who voted for second place. A voting record is very important for discerning people's alignment. Your vote is powerful, your vote is important.AbboTT wrote: When somebody gets lunched it doesn't matter who came in second place! A vote on somebody who isn't the target of the majority is a wasted vote.I'm suspicious - in every sense of the word.-
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Unless she picked up a tell from someone earlier in the day that makes her question it. It's all speculation but if she saw a sub-claim that he's our vig or something I think it's better if she doesn't say anything.AbboTT wrote:Sometimes cryptic is good. But this is day one for goodness sake. There hasn't even been a night round. Its not like she could have any information that we don't have.
And if she does... then we know what to do with her. Am I right?
That doesn't mean don't vote him, could be mafia (on either side) trying to pull something - with so much WIFOM if you think he's scummy don't unvote, if you think he isn't and were going on her arguments (if any) earlier than do.
I don't like it when people under suspicion start lurking - it makes me want to lynch them. Townies should talk and talk and talk until they are blue in the face if they are going to get lynched.I'm suspicious - in every sense of the word.-
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Skruffs wrote:I'm down with a lurker lynch, day one at least.
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Vote : Ubertimmy
It won't reveal info about others, though. But it will leave people who have left information out in the open to further squirm.FOS SkruffsMan your vote hopping is getting scummier and scummier. We'd get a lot of info from lynching you. I'd vote you but Cubsfan is the better playI'm suspicious - in every sense of the word.-
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Jack hasn't been vote hopping lately, you seem too appeasing to me, as if you are trying hard to be liked. That seems like a mafia quality to me. Jack certainly isn't trying to be liked, he's also very visible. While it could be WIFOM as to wether or not mafia is trying to yadda yadda yadda, your hopping seems more scummy.Skruffs wrote:Beg pardon?
Are you basing the 'scummier and scummier' part of your opinion on my vote hopping on who I'm voting for, or just that I am hopping around?
If it's because I'm hopping around, well, I don't like deadlines. I tend to get lynched when it comes to first day deadlines. I'm nervous.
If it's the votehopping that bothers you, then, why don't you mind that Jack is doing it, and without reasons, too?
Just in case I die tonight, I wanted to let my opinions get in the open.Skruffs wrote:Really confused that you would lay something like that out in the open, right before deadline, too. Seems pretty oppurtunistic.
Honestly I think he's been stinking up the place with lurking and crap logic. I won't let the day end in no lynch though - so don't switch your vote just to appease me.Skruffs wrote:Anyawys, back to the game.
Why again is cubsfan the better play? I'll be happy to vote him (Again) if you have a reason, at the risk of being considered "scummiest". Backdooring someone when they've actually notified us that they will eb absent, is pretty lowbrow.I'm suspicious - in every sense of the word.-
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Unvote, Vote AndrewSfor the sake of not no lynching. I don't trust HD's intuition about his towniness (which comes across more like scum trying to derail or disassociate with a wagon). She admittedly hasn't been posting much, which may not discredit her opinion, which makes me a bit more suspicious of her defense.
Yes absolutely in every way it helps the town. Why? Because everything you say will be given that much more credence when you are confirmed to be townie after you're lynched. Each person not swayed by logical and effective defense will be more heavily scrutinized, and patterns of scummy behavior will come out more as people respond to your statements.Skruffs wrote:You really think talking and talking and talking is going to help the town any? This is an honest, curious question.
My experiences have kinda taught me that the more a townie flails the more likely a lazy town will ynch them and the less effort spent on others.This game is not about saving yourself, its about catching scum.You win even if you die, so how in the world could you insinuate that its better to leave your beliefs and speculations out of the discussion when you're on the chopping block?
No one but a Sane Cop can prove anyone is scum or not. Day one you're not proving anything. Jacks erratic behavior did stir up a lot of good discussion. And in playing with Jack before, I can't think he wouldn't be helpful.AndrewS wrote:Sorry, I'm here. It's just been an incredibly hectic week. My problem with the Cubsfan wagon is merely that nobody has proven why he's scum, it feels much more like a meta-OMGUS wagon, but I'll go back and reread later. I still think that Jack's erratic behavior is certainly deserving of a lynch, merely because he will not be helpful to us as town. Will do a reread later today, however.
I pointed out what of my opinions are WIFOM. How can you say giving your opinions at the end of the day is scummy? If I die, then people will know what I'm thinking, nearing the end of day is one of the most important times to air suspicion. It can help cops, roleblockers, vigs have an idea on who to target at night if they are having trouble deciding. It can help people have a starting place the next day if nothing can be determined from the night kills. Talking more is always town.Skruffs wrote:But I think it's pretty anti-town to set up WIFOM contraptions right before the end of the day, on a weekend, when nobody is around to really comment on them.
Skruffs, you seem like a survivor, not the role necessarily, just someone who cares more about not getting lynched than helping out the town.I'm suspicious - in every sense of the word.-
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I said how to act if you're TOWN, not Vanilla specifically. How am I not posting what I think about what's going on?Skruffs wrote:Lastly, you telling me how to act as a vanilla townie when you are not doing so yourself suggests you are not a vanilla townie.
And please don't misrepresent me:
Skruffs wrote:That and your intentional avoidance of talking about you and Cuban Smoker's similar thought processes leaves me suspicious.I wrote:I don't know his alignment, he may be trying to attach himself to me for all I know. Saying things like this make you look a little scummy. If you see a pattern between two people day one, you might be able to use that day two - but saying lynching one of us will confirm the other? That's scummy...Skruffs wrote:And of course directing scum/doctors/cops just before deadline is *also* suspicious.
But if your really stressed about the deadline, it seems like there's 2 potential wagons that have enough support for a lynch, cubsfan and andrew - which do you support and why?I wrote:It can help cops, roleblockers, vigs have an idea on who to target at night if they are having trouble deciding.I'm suspicious - in every sense of the word.-
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I should be voting for AndrewS if notIH wrote:As the sun begins to sink... your discussions continue, and you all prepare for the sundown compulsory killing.... just to see where you all stand, the old man returns....
"DAMN KIDS! THIS IS THE LAST TIME ABOUT YOUR STUPID...."
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Yamahako -1- (Ubertimmy)
Jack -1- ( Cubsfan4ever)
Ubertimmy -2- (Cuban smoker, Skruffs)
AndrewS -4- (Mert, Jack, Abbott, AndrewS)
Mert -1- (AndrewS)
Not voting - (Hemisphere Dancer, Spectrumvoid, Thrawn 1020, )
With 12 alive, it's 7 to lynch!
Deadline in a few hoursUnvote, Vote andrewSI'm suspicious - in every sense of the word.-
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Its better to advocate the lynch of people who were trying to wagon now confirmed townies right?Cubsfan4ever wrote:
uhh, by that logic shouldn't you be somewhat suspicious of the people advocating a lynch of AndrewS (including yourself).Additionally 6 of his 15 posts yesterday were trying to get momentum on a Jack lynch.
Self Vote Cubsfan, its your only hope at salvation.I'm suspicious - in every sense of the word.-
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I wasn't saying Cubsfan killed Jack. My point was that Cubsfan was scummy yesterday - and now seeing that Jack is town - looking at who was adamant at trying to get him lynched is a fruitful endeavor. Nearly half of all of Cubsfan's posts were in some way attacking Jack. My theory is that he, as a mafia member, knew Jack was innocent - say that Jack's behavior was questionable and tried (unsuccessfully) to get a wagon going. I think its pretty obvious (unless there's an SK) that the Vig targeted Jack, Jack targeted the Vig, which would cause the Vig to Vig herself - and then Mafia targeted the Vig which led to Jack's death. Incredibly bad luck for us.Skruffs wrote:I'm confused. Isn't someone advocating the lynch of someone they thought of as scum beter than someone who just votes for them for the sake of avoiding no lynch?
What about *Everyone else* who thought Jack was scummy?
And considering he was a replacer, I think it's more likely that he replaced spots with someone who was killed, and that's why he died.
Considering we now have proof of a vig (now dead) and no doctor left, it's also likely that the doctor killed someone - the same person jack replaced with - and that's why jack died. The mafia more likely than not killed the vig.
Vote : Yamahoko
I wouldn't be singling him out today, if I wasn't already sure he was scum yesterday. I'd be glad to hear an actual analysis from you thoughI'm suspicious - in every sense of the word.-
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This isn't related to the game, and its not just you that does it - but my name is YamSkruffs wrote: Vote stays. Yamo is pretending to be town while being misleading.AhAko "Yamaha" like the keyboard company, and "ko."
Its from the japanese "Yama" meaning mountain, and "Hako" meaning box.I'm suspicious - in every sense of the word.-
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An SK makes sense, but the problem with an SK is Jack would have to have not targeted anyoneMert wrote:Actually, the more I think about it, the more Yamahako's Post 359 worries me. Particularly the "I think its pretty obvious..." part.
I don't quite see how it's more obvious that there was a vig kill. As Thrawn said, I don't think a vig would necessarily kill on N1 and I don't see why Jack would swap with Hemisphere Dancer above all others.
I detect a slight reluctance to highlight the liklihood of there being an SK in his post so I'm going toVote: Yamahakofor the time being.andHD would have to have not targeted anyone for it to have ended up the way it did. Unless the SK would have happened someone that Jack TargetedandHD didn't target. It's not that I don't think there's an SK, its just I think we are one kill short if there was. But don't take stock in this because its all speculation.I'm suspicious - in every sense of the word.-
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I'm not against the idea of a name claim, however I'm not sure what it will gain us. The only way it should is if mafia didn't get Anime-style claims. Though I supposed if the mafia are "Posing wannabe's" then they wouldn't have true anime... hmmmcuban smoker wrote:I think we should be able to learn a lot just from reading over day 1. For starters, I believe AbboTT was the first person to vote for AndrewS (doctor) yesterday, while Yamahako has not voted for AbboTT/Simenon. This makes me suspicious of both of them.
But I am more interested in ubertimmy, who stressed that he was a very bad lynch shortly before the deadline. We have now lost two power roles, which means the probability he actually is power role is much smaller now. Since ubertimmy is also alive, he is much more likely to be mafia than anyone else.
It is possible that a killer and Jack the replacer targetted ubertimmy, but this is not that likely.
I'd also strongly suggest we do a forced NAME-claim. You may have noted each of the dead townies has the name not of a anime character, but of a Manga. I don't think it can hurt the town to reveal our names. For instance, AndrewS was named Bleach, but Bleach is not about a doctor as far as I can tell.
It is important, if we do this name-claim, that we do it in an arbitrary order. Perhaps the mafia's Manga's are evil-themed, in which case they will have to pick another one. We should try and force mafia to go first so we have the chance to catch them with a counter-claim.
Kudos/Complaints encouraged re: name-claiming
Bleach doesn't have a doc (except Ishin, and Uryu's Dad), but there are many characters who can heal other people
The biggest problem with a mass name claim is going to be getting the lurkers to actually post so we aren't waiting forever to hear from them...I'm suspicious - in every sense of the word.-
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That's why I think Name Claiming isn't such a bad idea. But I agree DONT name claim right now - someone should come up with an ordered list with which to do it to try and force out a fake claim.IH wrote:Welcome to the town of Animeville. You're all such fanatics, most of you are just like your anime!and are making it difficult to continue life. Mostly by killing you!It seems that some posing wannabe's have entered your town,I'm suspicious - in every sense of the word.-
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Just was re reading Cubsfan in isolation and came upon this interesting blurb. The one he was quoting is me.Cubsfan4ever wrote:
uhh, by that logic shouldn't you be somewhat suspicious of the people advocating a lynch of AndrewS (including yourself).Additionally 6 of his 15 posts yesterday were trying to get momentum on a Jack lynch.
AndrewS wasn't hammered he was lynched by a majority of voters (not a true majority) at deadline. I wasn't advocating his lynch, I got on the wagon because I didn't want a no lynch (I said as much and didn't make any attempt to sway votes toward his wagon). This misrepresentation is pretty scummy, and most of what you've posted throughout the entire game is rather accusatory. You have yet to make a post with any actual analyzation (other than a weak one in defense of yourself).
What's your list of suspicion?I'm suspicious - in every sense of the word.-
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I thought I explained the difference in voting to have a lynch instead of a no lynch, and advocating for someone's lynch who is found to be pro-town (and an easy lynch target at that).
Cubs fan was scummy yesterday and I think he would have been the lynch if he wasn't out of town.
So much lost posting in all my games I was super activeI'm suspicious - in every sense of the word.-
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I was pretty implicit at trying to get a lynch on Cubsfan yesterday, but he wasspectrumvoid wrote:The case for yama is him voting for someone he didn't find scummy. Yama answered by saying he did that to prevent a no lynch. The issue here is that Yama didn't present an alternative lynch target (if he did, he wasn't forceful enough about it.)
I voted him for that + trying to evade responsiblity.out of townso people didn't want to get on the wagon.
It really sucks to lose about 2 pages of discussion :-/ I was making a case against Cubsfan and he was trying to detrail with craplogic - there wasn't a real case against me before the crash - though many people were asking me questions asking me to clarify my points.I'm suspicious - in every sense of the word.-
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If they were tied, then I suppose someone would have needed to move a vote one way or the other correct? Though I will admit that I had the impression that is someone was to be lynched they had to have a majority of the votes - as in if there were 7 people voting, 4 had to be voting for the person to be lynched.Mert wrote: I pointed out that the mod had simply said that the largest number would lynch. At the point this was clarified by the mod, Cubsfan and Andrew were tied for votes and so his assertion that his vote was to make sure we avoided a no-lynch seemed a little strange at that point.
Out of context, I could see how they seem minor, and indeed my suspicionMert wrote:So I went back and decided to see why he was suspicious of Cubsfan - all I found on the issue was the following:See quotes in post abovewasminor yesterday. I'll explain my entire thought process:
Jack was "random voting" and it was stirring up discussion, not the same kind of discussion that certain people garner when they act odd - real discussion. He wasn't out and out scummy - but his odd behavior was a target. It seemed to me that Cubsfan latched onto that target to strongly, and too easily. That seemed like a scum move to me - that he was working (over 50% of his posts yesterday were to that end) toward the "most obvious" target - even though Jack wasn't really that scummy, and even though Jack was contributing where some others weren't. My read on cubs fan started when he was trying to fish for Jack's role, and continued as he poorly defended his posts and continued his attack for Jack.
When Jack turned up pro-town, it seemed to me that - more so than anyone else - Cubsfan had been pitching for the lynch of a (now) known townie. There were a couple of people non-commitally looking for HD to respond, and there was minor suspicion of Andrew (I noted it before I voted - his disappearance when under suspicion), but Cubsfan was one of the stronger proponents on the Jack wagon, and given his fishing and last nights outcome - I figured he might a good place to start for the day.
He then tried to assosiate my reason attack on him to be the same as my actions yesterday which were completely different - I felt that was a scum tactic to try and misrepresent the situation - another reason I'm suspicious of him.
A lot was lost with the crash, but you're right I didn't come out and spell it day one, as it was much weaker without knowing the alignment of JackMert wrote:Unless I've missed something, I couldn't quite find a particularly strong case against Cubsfan - there are a few bits and pieces but nothing where I could go "aha,that'shis suspicion of Cubsfan, right there".
I hope its explained now - and I hope it sunderstood why I felt I needed to vote Andrew for the lynch - though I realize that may have been a misconception. But I'll say something that I mentioned before we lost all those posts - I did have some (small) suspicion of AndrewS - I noted it in posts before I switched my vote.Mert wrote:My post that was lost on this subject was one part suspicion over the confusion of the whole "I had to vote Andrew to avoid no-lynch because he needed four votes" thing and one part question as to what his reasons are for being so sure Cubsfan is the play - he's been on him for a long time now but I can't find anything in his post history that explains why.I'm suspicious - in every sense of the word.-
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Huh? I didn't say Cubs killed jack, I'm saying Cubs is scummy and suspicious. I have no way of knowing who killed who.Skruffs wrote:thrawn - tha'ts kind of my reasoning, too. We can not accurately speculate what happened last night, until we know what happened last night, and then speculation isn't necessary. Yam sayign that cubs killed jack (if I remember correctly) will keep my vote nestled safely on him.
I'm not a double voter, if that's a worry.
There must be something wrong with my verbage, because it seems no matter how clear what I think I'm saying is, people seem to infer something different in it.
What I actually postulated is that HD tried to kill jack, and mafia tried to kill HD, and jack targeted HD. Though the vig/sk scenario is more likely. HD would have been one of the best mafia targets anyway because of her lack of posting yesterday - Jack was still an "easy target" and could have been put under pressure if he had survived to day 2.I'm suspicious - in every sense of the word.-
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It would be great to hear anything from UberTimmy - but as I said he hasn't been posting in any of the games I've been in with him.Skruffs wrote:A vanilla townie is a bad lynch, yes, but emphasizing that it's REALLY bad suggests that it's worse than vanilla townie. And since three power roles were killed in a role - something I don't think anyoen would expect to happen - it's worth UT explaining. OR at least sayign that he is nto going to explain.
However - if he is really a power role, I think its a better idea that he keep it quiet - It's possible we have 4 townie power roles to balance a powerful mafia - and the last thing I think we should do it out the last one :-/
But yeah, UberTimmy needs to at least comment on the game - but there's lots of people lurking (like Cubs for instance... great last post buddy)I'm suspicious - in every sense of the word.-
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Good posting!Mert wrote:
Agreed. It's not our place to decide whether somebody is replaced - sure, we can request it but it's the mod's decision, ultimately.cuban smoker wrote:We may want to leave these decisions up to the moderator.
That said, Skruffs' point about Ubertimmy's soft claim yesterday does have some weight to it. Ubertimmy hinted at a power role and is, therefore, a strong potential candidate for a scum hit tonight. In light of that, I'd like to see him make a big contribution today just in case he doesn't make it until tomorrow. I don't think he necessarily needs to reveal any night actions or claim at this point, but hearing from him would be good.I'm suspicious - in every sense of the word.-
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I'd like to hear why the people who are voting for me are voting for me.
I'd hate to think that a townie is going to get voted off because of people are going off of bad information (like the stuff Skruffs is saying). I also want to hear from OTU before we are stuck in a lynch.
Modcan we get the deadline temporarily revoked so that OTU can get a chance to post?I'm suspicious - in every sense of the word.-
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Yeah, you said I thought that Cubsfan killed Jack which isn't even remotely what I said!Skruffs wrote:Yama, appeal to emotion. If you are a townie than you should be fighting your lynch by saying who you think is scum and why, instead. MY reasons at least for voting you were placed a while ago.
It's not even my lynch as it stands its going to go to deadline again and I'll just have the most votes.
If townies keep allowing lynches to come down to deadline - the mafia doesn't even have to vote to leave a trail they can just ride the indecisive town all the way to victory.
I don't feel I need to get emotional, but I've actually been posting in this game. Look at cubsfan's posts, look at his activity this day. Can you honestly think he's lot lurking? Can you honestly think that he actions this game have been more townie than mine? Read just his posts, then reread the thread. I'm not saying that he's a definite mafiate, I don't have conclusive evidence - but if you guys are going to jump down any one's throat who's trying to make a case for someone based on voting history and post quality - then how will anyone else feel like they can put up a real case in this game? So far the most successful wagons have been on lurkers and someone attacking a semi-lurker (and an extremely scummy one at that). Reread the case against me. It's crap. When I asked people to sum up their opinions it's based on misinformation and misinterpretation.
What does it matter what kind of defense I put up in this game if no one will actually read the game well enough to get their facts straight?
Seriously Skruffs - lay out your case. Your reasoning that you placed a while ago is crap. Show me where you put anything that's real down - because when I go back and read - I can't find anything but you relaying incorrect information or you following the crap logic of someone else.I'm suspicious - in every sense of the word.-
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No, not really. I found him sort of scummy day one. I found his defense of my day 2 attack scummy. I find his lack of posting since people started to attack me scummy. I find his OMGUS vote on me scummy.spectrumvoid wrote:Yamahako: is your case for cubsfan based purely on he's low activity? In that case, there're more people guilty of that.
(As a purely out-of-point side note, I really wish Skruffs and I would stop being in the same games... considering I still can't read him )
But you don't have to listen to me- you could read the thread for his posts yourself. It's not like its really subtle or anything. If you read his posts in isolation, then read the thread again, you'll see how bad he comes off.I'm suspicious - in every sense of the word.-
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If he is a power role, he shouldn't have announced it yesterday as the doc was dead. But that doesn't mean he shouldn't have commented on the game at all - that is still a problem we do need to hear from him.Skruffs wrote:Mert - Cubs was an SK. That's scum.
Yama - Interesting turn around.
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Good posting!Mert wrote: That said, Skruffs' point about Ubertimmy's soft claim yesterday does have some weight to it. Ubertimmy hinted at a power role and is, therefore, a strong potential candidate for a scum hit tonight. In light of that, I'd like to see him make a big contribution today just in case he doesn't make it until tomorrow. I don't think he necessarily needs to reveal any night actions or claim at this point, but hearing from him would be good.Yamahako wrote:
It would be great to hear anything from UberTimmy - but as I said he hasn't been posting in any of the games I've been in with him.Skruffs wrote:A vanilla townie is a bad lynch, yes, but emphasizing that it's REALLY bad suggests that it's worse than vanilla townie. And since three power roles were killed in a role - something I don't think anyoen would expect to happen - it's worth UT explaining. OR at least sayign that he is nto going to explain.
However - if he is really a power role, I think its a better idea that he keep it quiet - It's possible we have 4 townie power roles to balance a powerful mafia - and the last thing I think we should do it out the last one :-/
But yeah, UberTimmy needs to at least comment on the game - but there's lots of people lurking (like Cubs for instance... great last post buddy)
I just don't want anyone putting any hasty votes on someone and seeing a quick lynch.
What I find interesting - and like I said I'm going to expand on this later- is the first post implication of scumminess of someone because of what is largely a WIFOM situation. And being that mafia just need one mislynch to win at this stage - I could see them wanting to see how fast they could get a mislynch by deciding to (last night) not kill someone who may have implied they had a power role by saying they were a very bad lynch choice - and then claiming exactly what you did. I was actually expecting that line of reasoning for momentum on an Ubertimmy/OTU lynch, but didn't expect to see it so soon or from someone I already have doubts about after my re-read.
I'm not defending Ubertimmy/OTU he may very well be scum - but I find your initial reasoning suspicious and suspect.I'm suspicious - in every sense of the word.-
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If we had 4 mafia, we'd be dead. If we only have 2 mafia we'd be ok - but the likelyhood of that is small. I agree that we are at Lynch or Lose. But its very good that we nabbed the SK yesterday, because otherwise we could have lost already!Mert wrote:Okay, SK is scum, but I mean there are no deadMafia. If we assume for a second that the number of Mafia in Mini games is generally three then that would still mean we're at LyLo, and that is my point.I'm suspicious - in every sense of the word.-
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Um huh? what about a Mafia bandwagon...thrawn1020 wrote: Beyond that, I don't think that we need to shy away from running OTU up to L - 2 at this point.Vote: OvertheUnderHUGE FOS Thrawnno one should be voting yet.
I think OvertheUnder/UT needs to claim. I think that OTU/UT may have over stated his importance - as truly every townie is a really bad lynch. I think mafia would have had a perfectly great reason to leave him alive last night if he was town as it would create this scenario we are in.
I think Skruffs was too conciliatory day 1, I think he was too focused on me day 2. The first post he makes basically calling out UT/OTU was kind of opportunistic in my eyes and was pretty much the tactic I was expecting from scum today - quick lynch the person with the best possible case.
Personally I'm going to treat this day like Lynch or Lose because I'd rather be extremely cautious than lose to a fast mafia wagon.I'm suspicious - in every sense of the word.-
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I didn't vote you either - if you're mafia you can't put the first vote on - its suspiciousSkruffs wrote:Odd, I don't *recall* trying to quicklynch UT/OTU. Did I vote for him? No, I believe not. Did I call attention to him? Yes.
Just like you called attention to Cubsfan yesterday after going after him all day the day before.I'm suspicious - in every sense of the word.-
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Yeah, lol, I just re-read that - I mean ifSkruffs wrote:Yama, I'm sure that's not what you meant, but that came accross looking like a soft scum-claim.are mafia, you couldn't have put the first vote on OTU, it would have been suspicious...You [Skruffs]I'm suspicious - in every sense of the word.-
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