New York 180 (Endgame)

SilverWolf · Post Post #3950 (ISO) » Sat Mar 14, 2015 3:58 am

In post 3946, Marquis wrote:
i did look at pisskop's iso and i think it points to fa_q2 being scum both from his own and quoted content, though. if anyone wants to check up on that too that'd be fun we can talk about it together later

Can you please point out specific posts? I've gone through pisskop's ISO twice now and the only things I found noteable were him hard defending VF and NJ who were both town so if there is an association with FA that I missed, it would help if you point out where I should look.

dragonspawn · Post Post #3951 (ISO) » Sat Mar 14, 2015 4:26 am

I will be gone Sunday and back Monday. Try not to flashlynch anyone in the mean time.

Ozgin · Post Post #3952 (ISO) » Sat Mar 14, 2015 7:29 am

In post 3939, SilverWolf wrote:OK

VOTE: Marquis

Silver, this was a strange flip-flop. Why did you switch from NS to Marquis, seemingly after it was just lightly suggested to you?

I wanna hear more on the FA_Q12 case, because in all honesty, I completely forgot about them as a player. Granted, I replaced in at Day 2, but still, if I had to list off the players of this thread from memory, I can guarantee you that I would not put him on the list because I haven't noticed much of the play at all.

I'm gonna ISO him real quick, give me a minute.

And sorry about my terrible terrible inactivity, school is a bitch, and so is my family, and a lot of things, so on and so forth.

On a non-personal-rant note, I don't think Wake's replacement is that scummy. I was honestly considering the same thing because of how bad our townplay has been (as a unit), but the reason I didn't was because I know that if I want us to do better as town, I have to play better. That simple.

So I'm gonna try to shape-up, and that's gonna start with a scumcase on someone (that hopefully isn't shit).

SilverWolf · Post Post #3953 (ISO) » Sat Mar 14, 2015 7:33 am

In post 3952, Ozgin wrote:
In post 3939, SilverWolf wrote:OK

VOTE: Marquis

Silver, this was a strange flip-flop. Why did you switch from NS to Marquis, seemingly after it was just lightly suggested to you?

3889

Start there.

elusive · Post Post #3954 (ISO) » Sat Mar 14, 2015 7:42 am

Yeah, sell me a scum team don't sell me "Wake was scummy" because Wake has been awol as hell\floozyish in all his games.

I do wonder about certain things, need to re-iso some people.

Ozgin · Post Post #3955 (ISO) » Sat Mar 14, 2015 7:43 am

SilverWolf wrote:
In post 3952, Ozgin wrote:
In post 3939, SilverWolf wrote:OK

VOTE: Marquis

Silver, this was a strange flip-flop. Why did you switch from NS to Marquis, seemingly after it was just lightly suggested to you?

3889

Start there.

Spoiler: What I don't get is:

Marquis · Post Post #3956 (ISO) » Sat Mar 14, 2015 8:05 am

The following are the only mentions or connections between pisskop and FA_Q2 in pisskop's ISO:

In post 523, pisskop wrote:
In post 513, SilverWolf wrote:
In post 511, pisskop wrote:

In post 467, SilverWolf wrote:I completely agree with this analysis. vikingfan's lynch would be most informative because if he flips scum, we can look at the votes on dragon's wagon like Aero and pisskop more closely. If he flips town, dragon would be a good D2 vote.

I don't understand. Viking is the lynchbait. What would lynching the one who is more likely town tell us? House said the same thing, in 464.

I never said vikingfan was lynchbait or more likely to be town. I've been arguing vikingfan is scum for several posts now. Plus, he's an informative lynch due to the counterwagon on dragon.

FA_Q2 has a point

I am taking the stance that Viking is the bait, and House and you thought Dragon was 'just being Dragon'.

If you believed he didnt know what RVS was what makes you think he even gets what a scumslip is? I'll grant that his post where he voted Dragon was bad, but Im not convinced wasnt overconfidence

In post 586, pisskop wrote:
House

In post 578, House wrote:dragon, please don't humor FA's poor push. It's not even worth it.

What is this? Do you not read or not care? She clearly states her opinion here:

In post 512, FA_Q2 wrote:That assumes that viking is more likely town then Dragon. I don't think that is the case and I don't see anything from silver that would indicate that she thinks so either unless I missed something.

In post 580, House wrote:Playstyles such as mine, ABR's, and dragonspawn's, to name a few, raise flags when people use such a convenient excuse to votepark them instead of actively scumhunt and pressure suspects.

Looking over your meta, I really dislike your playstyle in general. You seem to purposely want to piss people off, and then call them scum for it. Others have noted your willingness to call either scum; and you seem to have lost interest in ABR.

In post 1493, pisskop wrote:
In post 1210, Klingoncelt wrote:(Actually I do have him and TSO at leaning scum, along with FA_Q2 and the House slot.)

Can you lay down your reasons for all four of these slots?

The above mentions avoid direct interaction with FA_Q2 and all lightly defend him, without ever committing to or giving a read on FA_Q2 despite those defenses.

In post 1670, pisskop wrote:
In post 1662, FA_Q2 wrote:
Why? That is the least likely time that a CC is going to happen. That is the entire point of scum trying to claim ai really good PR after all - to get them to out themselves.

Hunh. I guess if they thought they could perform more townishly than the actual cop. And nobody tried to track them. Was that a part of the old site meta?

In post 1677, pisskop wrote:
In post 1672, FA_Q2 wrote:
I am confused at what you are trying to say here. It supports what I was getting at and I have no idea about the 'old' site. This is essentially my first game here :D

A cop claim on day one is unlikely to be CC for precisely those reasons - the fake cop can be caught without reveling the real cop at a later time. The fake claiming scum WANTS a counter claim (at least this early in the game) - then they can take out the cop before there are any confirmed townies/scum.

I think I'm overthinking it now . . .
. If its possible or likely the town can find out in other ways whether or not its a fake claim, and the cop themself knows it, then they could simply reveal when they felt comfortable. They could essentially use the fakeclaim as a free scumclaim, and start investigating suspects around the fakeclaimer.
. I guess I don't expect scum to try something that is eventually going to fail.

And the only two direct interactions with FA_Q2 are shallow. In other words, pisskop's comments to FA_Q2 are obviously designed to give as non-alignment-indicative of a response as possible, which makes more sense for interaction between scumpartners, especially because this is in stark contrast to interactions with flipped town like Klingoncelt, Ellie, and Mathblade. His interactions with them in the ISO were in-depth and actually talked about reads both relating to those players and others.

SilverWolf · Post Post #3957 (ISO) » Sat Mar 14, 2015 9:01 am

In post 3955, Ozgin wrote:
SilverWolf wrote:
In post 3952, Ozgin wrote:
In post 3939, SilverWolf wrote:OK

VOTE: Marquis

Silver, this was a strange flip-flop. Why did you switch from NS to Marquis, seemingly after it was just lightly suggested to you?

3889

Start there.

Spoiler: What I don't get is:

How do you go from this level of conviction:

In post 3907, SilverWolf wrote:I completely disagree that Wake's replace out is town. Seriously, he was scummy as fuck before that and he could of just decided he needed to replace and did it in such a way so people would think it's townish.

I am not letting him off the hook when he's been obvscum the whole game and it looks like I'm going to have to case this latter when I have time.

Wake is scum. Marquis has done nothing to make me change my mind on that spot either.

To this level of, "Yeah sure, whatever.":

In post 3931, SilverWolf wrote:OK

VOTE: Nobody Special

Very under the radar and nitpicky about things that don't matter.

Be productive or be hanged<----------------------totally stole that line from House.

And then back to this, but this time almost naked:

In post 3939, SilverWolf wrote:OK

VOTE: Marquis

Over a span of 32 posts?

I've been scumreading Wake for quite awhile now due to his ooc behavior and play. As someone who knows him and have played with him, he was way off which I've explained. There's also a lot of everyone going their own way with not a lot of thought out reads or reasoning for votes like dragons vote on GM and GM's and Aero's votes on dragon. Everyone was too divided. Then NS asks these questions and casts these votes for the worst reasoning I've ever seen so I went there. I went back to Marquis again, when I realized NS might actually be town after re-ISOing for ~reasons~

That said, I just did see the post marquis put up on FA so now I have to look at that and those interactions and re-ISO FA again to see if he's got a good point there.

elusive · Post Post #3958 (ISO) » Sat Mar 14, 2015 1:35 pm

VOTE: FA_Q2

TSO, I asked one thing of you...just one.. and you couldn't even do that? I see how it is.

elusive · Post Post #3959 (ISO) » Sat Mar 14, 2015 2:23 pm

Vote Count Analysis

So until we get the second scum and can do Interaction Analysis off of that this is a WIP.

Spoiler:

Analysis forthcoming (or help numbers elude me).

elusive · Post Post #3960 (ISO) » Sat Mar 14, 2015 2:35 pm

Fixed Version

Spoiler:

goodmorning · Post Post #3961 (ISO) » Sat Mar 14, 2015 2:37 pm

I doubt there'd be as many as 7 non-Town players, especially not in one faction. Reg would probably have argued that. CES probably tried to cut powers, probably from Town, so I doubt he'd have been into the idea either. I don't know what mastin would do, but she's always seemed practical to me.
33% Scum is really on the high side, especially for a game this size.

Best guess is either 5-1 or 3-3, 3-3-1 at an outside chance.
But then, I've guessed wrong before.

I'm starting to like marquis.

elusive · Post Post #3962 (ISO) » Sat Mar 14, 2015 2:44 pm

I'm willing to give Marquis another day as he's trying more than his predecessor.

3-3 means two teams of 3?

The problem is that based on the drama filled days we're having, scum could be coasting and we have way too many active lurkers in the game which is annoying.

I do want you to clarify why you FOSed me as scum last day, what was the reasoning behind that, GM?

elusive · Post Post #3963 (ISO) » Sat Mar 14, 2015 3:11 pm

Hey hey GM. Answer the question that I've asked more then once already.

goodmorning · Post Post #3964 (ISO) » Sat Mar 14, 2015 3:15 pm

In post 3887, goodmorning wrote:
In post 3882, elusive wrote:On what basis did she state that "elusive might be scum"?

On the basis of the post you posted before that, iirc.

In post 3888, goodmorning wrote:Yeah, it was a combo of 3805 and 3806.

elusive · Post Post #3965 (ISO) » Sat Mar 14, 2015 3:44 pm

An explanation of why is still forthcoming. Waiting on it.

elusive · Post Post #3966 (ISO) » Sat Mar 14, 2015 3:47 pm

Let me be specific:
1. What about those posts led you to make that assertion?
2. Where do you stand on that FOS now?
3. Why aren't you scum hunting me?

SilverWolf · Post Post #3967 (ISO) » Sat Mar 14, 2015 5:37 pm

You know elusive, you probably shouldn't make yourself green in those vc's because it's confusing because you are not flipped yet.

Also TSO, you said you wanted to kill NS today. I never did see you specify as to why yet?

GM-I fail to see what is scummy in those posts you quoted of elusives?

Still ISOing, etc. etc. but have been stressed out due to other issues so it may take awhile.

elusive · Post Post #3968 (ISO) » Sat Mar 14, 2015 5:41 pm

I never said I want to kill NS. TSO said that. I am against due to in-thread reasons unless I'm making a huge Fail which I hope not. I want TSO to respond to what I asked him.

SilverWolf, I'm the closest thing to confirmed town in this game right now. So yeah.

ika · Post Post #3969 (ISO) » Sat Mar 14, 2015 5:55 pm

vcnobody special: T S O
FA_Q2: Marquis, elusive
dragonspawn: Goodmorning, Aeronaut
Marquis: FA_Q2, Silverwolf

13, 7 to lynch

(expired on 2015-03-26 00:00:00)

dragonspawn · Post Post #3970 (ISO) » Sat Mar 14, 2015 6:15 pm

In post 3968, elusive wrote:I never said I want to kill NS. TSO said that. I am against due to in-thread reasons unless I'm making a huge Fail which I hope not. I want TSO to respond to what I asked him.

SilverWolf, I'm the closest thing to confirmed town in this game right now. So yeah.

Not sure how you are confirmed town. Though you aren't high on my list at the moment

elusive · Post Post #3971 (ISO) » Sat Mar 14, 2015 7:42 pm

Yeah I'm confirmed town because I crumbed pretty hard, I've seen other people's crumbs, and also because every day we've lynched town I've fought the lynch except for NJ. Deal with it.

T S O · Post Post #3972 (ISO) » Sat Mar 14, 2015 10:12 pm

In post 3838, T S O wrote:VOTE: Nobody Special

In post 3839, T S O wrote:"I am trying to pin down a motivation towards asking for a votecount."

Could you fake scumhunt any worse, NS?

In post 3856, T S O wrote:Do you actually think there's particular motivation to be found in asking for a votecount over, I don't know,
any other post in the game?
I don't.

Dearest SilverWolf, here is why I want NS dead, found in my ISO if you haven't looked there yet.

T S O · Post Post #3973 (ISO) » Sat Mar 14, 2015 10:14 pm

In post 3932, elusive wrote:Wow, TSO do I have to point out somethings to you from this Thread on why that might be a bad idea? What we should do is wagon analysis for all three (KC, Vikingfan, ABR) + the last VC on NJ. Since all were town, at least some on that must be scum. Can you do that? I might get to it tomorrow or Sunday probably should v\la though due to rl stuff.

Also, because I hadn't actually read the thread carefully post the VC. I did not ask for mod intervention. I also didn't click on any of NJ's links because of the obvious. That's all I will say on this issue till post game.

Do you want me to do it and then you to do it? That seems counterproductive.

I still don't understand why you're against the NS lynch.

Kitz · Post Post #3974 (ISO) » Sun Mar 15, 2015 2:36 am

In post 3971, elusive wrote:Yeah I'm confirmed town because I crumbed pretty hard

I wouldn't say Confirmed.