Touhou UPick 3 - [Game Over]

[Shadoweh]

I accept that you can put two and two together, I just question why you would announce it as town OR scum. Being able to rule out that you just read it from a scum QT would be great, too.

Because I was guessing and you would likely be pressed to reveal it anyways. You could have just not responded. :p

cut: I'm actually feeling like PGO-enabler. When I saw Dan set himself up to be shot, and then Science died, that was my first thought. When I saw Katsuki target the supposed night-immune and now apparently scum-flipped Ooba, that's what I suspected. I could see Kilga investigating Katsuki since he already checked Ank, and scum probably would have anticipated this.

It wasn't a PGO-enabler that killed Notscience, his target would have still died. He most likely died from his own ability which apparently killed him if he was roleblocked. That doesn't reflect on whether that happened THIS time.

[zMuffinMan]

wellllllll if ffery is reading the game, hopefully she can do pieguy's job and tell me who's scum

i'm kind of interested in a fresh perspective on interactions, anyway

[fferyllt]

I was planning to do a magua-style replace-in this time. :/


After reading through the neighborhood and I have pretty comfy townfeels about pieguy.

[zMuffinMan]

well there's like 1 scum left and 3 flipped so magua-style replacing isn't as effective imo but whatevs

[zMuffinMan]

Catching up!

LAL

[pieguyn]

i came into today expecting walls from pieguy detailing who the last scum is, where all i had to do was tick the checkboxes and sign my name. i am disappointed, pieguy. i am disappointed

I was

relaxing on the last few days of spring break

busy :<

[fferyllt]

well there's like 1 scum left and 3 flipped so magua-style replacing isn't as effective imo but whatevs

Yeah I know. I'm actually planning more of an NY 172 style replace in. ONE DAY i WILL REPLACE IN TO A GAME AND NOT READ A DAMN THING!

Why is gif conftown? why am I conftown? There were 2 kills on n2 AND n3. Does it make sense that they are not from the same origin?

[GuyInFreezer]

Because I'm not - really - mason with Lily black

[zMuffinMan]

gif was not-really-but-effectively-masons with thd apparently

- SB has innos on him and fakegod explicitly said at the end of last game he wasn't going to do godfathers anymore. See:

Subject: Touhou UPick 2 - [Game Over]

But I don't think I will ever use godfather that investigates as town again. It punishes good town PR choices. I think godfather on which investigations fail on isn't too imbalanced though.

so he's town or fakegod's a jerkwad

and i dunno

noddy apparently had some restriction to his role where if he was roleblocked he died. which would make sense if you assume i was the scum kill, noddy was roleblocked and gaiden was vig killed (by sky paladin)

last night, dunno

if mass claim reveals nothing, i'd guess scum had an extra kill-shot spellcard, or scum have an ability that activates when they're the last one left, or scum have a secondary ability that's been coincidentally blocked until now, or scum have an ability similar to PGO, or any of a variety of other possibilities

[Ankamius]

I'd very much like Rylai to fullclaim before I do. Otherwise, I really don't care about the order.

[Sky_Paladin]

FF: You are town clear because I copped you for SB = TOWN. This is a non-bastard setup so I'm assuming no insane cop hilarity.

GiF/thghghasd confirmed town because their role pms apparently allowed them to mutually confirm each other, were both confirmed town by Kilga, before he heroically exploded.
Muffin modconfirmed town but also treestump.

Sky/Pie/Kagomi/Shadoweh probably town because lynching all the scums.

Rylai probably town because role shenanigans.

Kats/Ank probably scum for many reasons.

Also FF: Can you confirm if SB mentioned my ability re: immunity in the neighbour QT on day 1/night 1? I want to be able to rule this bit out. Thanks.

[Sky_Paladin]

I'd like to see claims in this order:
Katsuki -> Ank -> Rylai.

Mostly because Rylai actually voted to lynch scum in day 3 and Ank sat on his ass and complained that we weren't lynching Sky.

[Ankamius]

lmao

[Ankamius]

It will take a lot of convincing to get me to claim before Rylai does.

I can go more into what Kilga and I talked about later when I'm not ready to go sleep for an early shift, but we bounced ideas on various things throughout the game and pretty much every conclusion had Rylai square in the scumlist.

[GuyInFreezer]

gif was not-really-but-effectively-masons with thd apparently

- SB has innos on him and fakegod explicitly said at the end of last game he wasn't going to do godfathers anymore. See:

Subject: Touhou UPick 2 - [Game Over]

But I don't think I will ever use godfather that investigates as town again. It punishes good town PR choices. I think godfather on which investigations fail on isn't too imbalanced though.

so he's town or fakegod's a jerkwad

and i dunno

noddy apparently had some restriction to his role where if he was roleblocked he died. which would make sense if you assume i was the scum kill, noddy was roleblocked and gaiden was vig killed (by sky paladin)

last night, dunno

if mass claim reveals nothing, i'd guess scum had an extra kill-shot spellcard, or scum have an ability that activates when they're the last one left, or scum have a secondary ability that's been coincidentally blocked until now, or scum have an ability similar to PGO, or any of a variety of other possibilities

I have a pretty clear picture of what happened last night.
I still want claims first just in case.

[fferyllt]

FF: You are town clear because I copped you for SB = TOWN. This is a non-bastard setup so I'm assuming no insane cop hilarity.

GiF/thghghasd confirmed town because their role pms apparently allowed them to mutually confirm each other, were both confirmed town by Kilga, before he heroically exploded.
Muffin modconfirmed town but also treestump.

Sky/Pie/Kagomi/Shadoweh probably town because lynching all the scums.

Rylai probably town because role shenanigans.

Kats/Ank probably scum for many reasons.

Also FF: Can you confirm if SB mentioned my ability re: immunity in the neighbour QT on day 1/night 1? I want to be able to rule this bit out. Thanks.

SB didn't mention anything about this in the neighborhood that I saw.

Pie should have been able to answer this question, too, though. When did it become a concern? This game day?

[Ankamius]

Oh right, Shadoweh: KILGAMAYAN IS SORRY FOR EVER DOUBTING YOU.

All caps was specifically requested.

[GuyInFreezer]

It will take a lot of convincing to get me to claim before Rylai does.

I can go more into what Kilga and I talked about later when I'm not ready to go sleep for an early shift, but we bounced ideas on various things throughout the game and pretty much every conclusion had Rylai square in the scumlist.

You were in neighbor with kilga?

[Sky_Paladin]

Is it not true?

Your posts in day 3 read like a ballad where you desperately beg for people to vote for me instead of Ooba.

Here's your last post of the day:

I'm torn. I can see a few things that could be scum theatre, but by and large I can't really think of how it would be comparable to how much bussing would have to be involved for it to really work.

The closest I can get is them trying to hard-bus their scumbuddy in D1 for towncred, then having Sakura unvote when the Drezi wagon really gets going while ActionDan stays on to keep it believable. The problem with this is that it's more dangerous than just going for the ooba wagon and pushing that through; I'd expect that the 4th player in the scumteam would be on that wagon for sure if this was somehow the case.

You were not fucking torn. Your choice was between voting confirmed scum Dan, or basically confirmed scum Ooba, and you chose: Nobody.

In fact you laid out an amazing case as to why Ooba was scum by wagon analysis (copied from my own, of course) but then failed to actually consider the scenario of what if Ooba was scum.

[Ankamius]

It will take a lot of convincing to get me to claim before Rylai does.

I can go more into what Kilga and I talked about later when I'm not ready to go sleep for an early shift, but we bounced ideas on various things throughout the game and pretty much every conclusion had Rylai square in the scumlist.

You were in neighbor with kilga?

Yeah, I was in a neighborhood with Kilga/Mala.

[fferyllt]

Someone lay out all the neighborhoods/members?

[Ankamius]

Youkai Mountain:

Malakittens: Kasen Ibaraki
Kilgamayan: Aya Shameimaru
Ankamius: Momiji Inubashiri

[Ankamius]

Is it not true?

Your posts in day 3 read like a ballad where you desperately beg for people to vote for me instead of Ooba.

Here's your last post of the day:

I'm torn. I can see a few things that could be scum theatre, but by and large I can't really think of how it would be comparable to how much bussing would have to be involved for it to really work.

The closest I can get is them trying to hard-bus their scumbuddy in D1 for towncred, then having Sakura unvote when the Drezi wagon really gets going while ActionDan stays on to keep it believable. The problem with this is that it's more dangerous than just going for the ooba wagon and pushing that through; I'd expect that the 4th player in the scumteam would be on that wagon for sure if this was somehow the case.

You were not fucking torn. Your choice was between voting confirmed scum Dan, or basically confirmed scum Ooba, and you chose: Nobody.

In fact you laid out an amazing case as to why Ooba was scum by wagon analysis (copied from my own, of course) but then failed to actually consider the scenario of what if Ooba was scum.

You didn't read the context of that post.

[zMuffinMan]

it's like

me, myself and i (since drezi died d1)
ankamius, mala, kilgy
kagami, rylai, ooba
your neighbourhood

[zMuffinMan]

oh and cupcake apparently neighbourised ooba