Micro 447: Shameless Mafia -- Game Over!

[TierShift]

Then respond to what I said about anen-TC interactions. What do you think of the other ponts I made on anen?

[TierShift]

Stop talking about the pigeon thing, btw. It's obviously a shit tell and it might make anen post pigeon pics. I DON'T WANT THAT

[Alchemist21]

okay, anen and christmas have close to zero interaction.
Christmas first fencesits on anen vs me. Then there is this:

I bet there will be no TierShift wagon now...

ToonFighter: I've never watched Shameless "thoroughly" but I've seen some episodes, so the story isn't a "complete one" in my mind. (I usually watch series while doing housework, playing Mafia, etc. you know.)

So, I'm examining Estival's reads now. (In order of appearance.)

TierShift kind of lean scum but town later.
Votes for This Christmas, 233.
Townreading Shos, 230.
Disliking This Christmas and Druuge because of trolling.
Voting for ToonFighter, 335, because he didn't read Shos's claim.
Unvotes in 359.
Scumreading TierShift in Aneninen, voting for Tiershift in 374.
Saying that This Christmas slipped, in 405.
Townreading ToonFighter and ArcAngel in 415. Lean town on Shos (419).
Saying that he wants to lynch Druuge in 433

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These players may have gained something by silencing her: This Christmas, Druuge, TierShift, (Aneninen)
These players may have lost something by silencing her: ArcAngel, ToonFighter, (Shos)
No read on: Alchemist
(Less significant-looking names in brackets.)

Is there anyone else who thinks ThisChristmas slipped?

in which anen fencesits on TC's slip. As no one responds, he quickly stops talking about the slip (go check).

Town - arc, droog

Tiershift

Anen
Toon

Scum - shos, alchemist

and here is the obvious readslist where anen is in the middle and he does no effort to figure anen out.

zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

There's something that I don't like.
If all claims are real, it'd mean that the town has (1) a 1–shot Tracker (confirmed), (2) a Voyeur, (3) a Gunsmith and (4) a 1–shot Commuter. The scums have in this case a Roleblocker.
Wouldn't it be a bit unbalanced?

who suggested there's a roleblocker?

anen i dont like that comment

then there is this which is ignored by anen and quickly forgotten afterwards by TC.

Well.
investigation shows that by mi soopir sikrit tell, Aneninen is actually scum.
..which means I'm going to have to go through ALL his games to make sure I'm correct.

WTF?!?
I'm not scum.

Are you freaking out

No. I simply don't understand it at all.

And this is another shitty interaction.

P-P-P-Pretty sure I found the scumteam. They completely avoid each other and fencesit alllll the fucking time.

I'll need to read back on the TC slip thing.

TC's reads also has Toon in the middle with Anen. On that point TF could also be TC's buddy.

What do you think is bad about those other 2 interactions at the end?

[TierShift]

I'll need to read back on the TC slip thing.

Do that. He just lets his concerns go when there's no response.

TC's reads also has Toon in the middle with Anen. On that point TF could also be TC's buddy.

yeah, but that's not a buddy tell in itself. It's that combined with the lack of interaction and the lack of finding him out. Nullreads happen. Why do you think TF is scum?

What do you think is bad about those other 2 interactions at the end?

It's talking just for the talking; there's nothing to find in them. Not really a genuine question by TC, just a quick answer by anen. It all means nothing. It's just talking for the talking, not for furthering the gamestate or figuring the other out.

Btw anen, what's your read on TC?

[Alchemist21]

Ok, I don't like Anen asking for others' opinions on whether TC slipped or not without giving his own opinion.

Toon's been discrediting claims this whole time. Also, TC's naked votes on Toon earlier in the game look like a distancing attempt to me, which I think is more indicative of scum than a lack of interaction (scum often have zero interaction with a Townie or two as well).

[Alchemist21]

TierShift's post 64 seems town.

ArcAngel, if I don't follow or understand the explanation I ask again. Ergo, I don't follow the explanation.

I believe Toon Fighter's claim. Are you claiming mickey?

Yes, ArcAngel I checked Role PM and that is what it states. I wonder if Mod would give fake claims to scum or keep thing simple? We could technically then mass claim to win?

k so ur scumread went byebye after the claim

It would help shos if you were on a wagon that might have a chance to be lynched. I'm fine with TierShift. Maybe Anen.

VOTE: TierShift

you want him gone because his case on shos seemed bad. town and scum both make bad cases. i dont think the case was bad

Scum haven't attempted to kill Shos apparently, and are making weird kills
That suggests experienced confident scum

droog kill, really? That is my rx

Droog was lynchable
Also that's not even what I meant
Anyways I'm not speaking about that anymore

Stop asking me to replace out. It's not happening
I am responding and being spontaneous, even if reading is not happening atm

Going back through this ISO, I noticed these comments regarding the Droog kill. I don't think anyone else has talked about that. I'm interested in why he's describing the night kills as "weird kills".

@Christmas, what makes them weird kills in your mind?

[Alchemist21]

^ignore that first quote.

[TierShift]

I know scum often lack interactions with townies. I'm not talking about the lack of interaction between anen and TC; I'm talking about the meanngful interaction: there has been none. It's all fencesitting and empty questions without follow-up. But, I'll do a TF-TC iso and see what I can find.

[shos]

dis shite be crazy
I have a pot o' gold in {TC, Anen, TF} and I dunno which one is town.

[TierShift]

Uh okay so TC voting TF right before deadline but when TF's lynch was not going to happen anymore really looks like distancing and the rest of their ISO doesn't look that good, especially the beginning. But I still don't think TF is scum and no one has put forth anything to make me think otherwise.

Tf, what I want from you is how TC-alch interactions make more sense than TC-anen interactions.

[TierShift]

dis shite be crazy
I have a pot o' gold in {TC, Anen, TF} and I dunno which one is town.

Shos let me look up my lylo record as town for the past year.

[insanity018]

I don't think any site rules have been broken but *please* don't try to break any, okay?

"I don't buy and sell cars. I just sell them.
And the cars are mostly not mine."
~ Jimmy-Steve stealing a car during his first date with Fiona.

Votecount 3.6 (unchanged)

No Lynch

(1): This Christmas

Not Voting

(5): shos, TierShift, Alchemist21, Aneninen, Toon Fighter

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2015-03-31 11:00:00)

Aneninen is LA until Sunday

[TierShift]

Uh, my lylo record is not as great as I thought. At least in the last two lylos I was in, I completely rocked! I don't live to many Lylos nowadays

[TierShift]

The moral of the story is: just leave it to me shosss imma figure this out

I'm not dead set on my scumteam but close

[shos]

lolz

point for thought:
TC claimed jimmy-steve, claiming to have no knowledge of the flavor. and in the above VC, the mod uses the same naming for the character.
So I believe he is steve indeed. question is is he scum or town.

shame that we don't have dead scum yet; then we'll know what type of flavor they've got.

[TierShift]

or he has a fakeclaim, js

[Alchemist21]

I want Anen's opinion on Christmas when he comes back. There's something I'm considering about Christmas right now.

So far today, everyone with the exception of Anen has named TC as a scumread. The two most active players in the game are promising a lynch today, and if were all forced to vote right now I'm certain Christmas would be lynched. Anen is promising a Tiershift case when he comes back, but I don't think he's named a buddy and I don't know how he views Christmas. That said, so far there isn't much resistance to the TC scumread.

Under typical circumstances I'd be pretty concerned about this, because the lack of resistance would indicate the player is Town and scum are comfortable with the gamestate. HOWEVER, there's one player who's not resisting that catches my attention the most - Christmas himself. He's not actively trying to defend himself, and normally I'd attribute that to the fact that it's MyLo and nobody would be getting lynched anyway. However, the current gamestate heavily suggests a lynch is going to happen at some point, and a Townie being so commonly scumread would be doing a lot more to prevent their lynch because it would be a game-losing lynch.

All these factors make me think that TC is scum, and that he's being bussed, with the possibility of him being bussed having been discussed before hand during a Night Phase. The only way he's not getting bussed here is if Anen is scum with him and isn't scumreading him.

[This Christmas]

I'm here. Internet problems. Don't have the energy to "put up resistance"

And the "associative interactions" being brought up by multiple players I have no response to. They are probably valid but I haven't checked.

[This Christmas]

"All these factors make me think that TC is scum, and that he's being bussed, with the possibility of him being bussed having been discussed before hand during a Night Phase. The only way he's not getting bussed here"

And you imply scum don't have daytalk, and you infer that how? Lol

[This Christmas]

Process of elimination and me being in a lynchpool makes sense
Saying I've fencesat makes sense.
Saying my interactions have been awkward to nonexistent makes sense.

I have nothing to "resist" with the cases against me.
Also accuracy in lylo for town depends on townies towning it up. I am not doing that, and if being generous I am unreadable or null at best.

[This Christmas]

To follow that up, saying my self-deprecation is scummy would make senses
Saying I'm intentionally doing nothing helpful would make sense, despite that it's not intentional. I'm drained right now and I'm talking at least.
Arguing and saying that's a weak response or excuse would make sense
Saying I'm scum AtEing would make sense

But I'm not scum. But cases all make sense. I hope that clears things up.

[This Christmas]

Bedtime now, seeya later.

[shos]

I am feeling like shit
I suck AtEs like tig ol' bitties

[TierShift]

I dun like AtE's...who do you think is scum, TC?

[Toon Fighter]

[quote="In post 858, shos"]dis shite be crazy
I have a pot o' gold in {TC, Anen, TF} and I dunno which one is town.[/quote

Why do you think Alch is innocent?