New York 180 (Endgame)

SilverWolf · Post Post #4325 (ISO) » Mon Mar 23, 2015 2:00 am

In post 4323, goodmorning wrote:
In post 4317, Kitz wrote:Quick ISO with " NS" on the search. You crumbed him, and saw him out.

So did myself and TSO.

In post 4319, T S O wrote:I am starting to doubt the authenticity of the Serial Killer as well - one night of 3 kills out of 5 nights has me skeptical.

I agree. 1-Shot Vig maybe? But then what?

Or maybe we have some sort of blocking/protecting role that's getting very lucky.

Eh. probably no mileage in speculation anyway.

I should probably do some ISOs or something. There are still too many players in this game, I swear.

I doubt there's an SK in this game with only one kill per night the last 3 nights unless the doc has been doing a fantastic job of blocking every time. I'm pretty sure if there's a vig, it's one-shot and was used N1. I can't explain the 3 kill attempts N1. I have no idea.

I find trying to outguess the mod is a waste of time. I do it a lot but it never works so..........................No idea.

goodmorning · Post Post #4326 (ISO) » Mon Mar 23, 2015 2:05 am

In post 4315, Kitz wrote:With how the game turns out, I'm unfortunate to say I'm willing to look at the "Towny" players now. NS was being scummy, yet dies and flips Doc.
Those that are familiar with most of the players here are FoS', with meta and informative to their advantage.

Comments? SilverWolf, Aeronaut, Shinobi.
There's just no danger to these players.

I missed this before: why are TSO and myself not on the list? I've played with 6 of the 10 not-me people currently alive and am passably familiar with 1 more via the occasional reading of games.

SilverWolf · Post Post #4327 (ISO) » Mon Mar 23, 2015 2:23 am

Actually, you know what Kitz? You weren't even on my radar but you are now. I'm going to re-ISO you because you've been flying UTR most of the game for me.

Kitz · Post Post #4328 (ISO) » Mon Mar 23, 2015 2:44 am

In post 4324, SilverWolf wrote:First, What do you mean there is just no danger to these players? Explain that comment in detail please.

In post 4322, Aeronaut wrote:Can you explain what you mean by this?

They're alive. There's no danger at all it seems, and they don't really seem to care about dying, like if they informatively understand that they won't die and perhaps scum.

In post 4324, SilverWolf wrote:, and for some odd reason you left out everyone else's comments about NS.

I was early up so I could visit the doctor, and I rushed before I could do more than a quick ISO. Got a problem with that?

In post 4322, Aeronaut wrote:Kitz, yesterday I asked you who your top two scumreads were, and you said me and Ogzin. Why then, have you yet to vote for either of us, or push for us in any way?; eg, why go for FA when he wasn't one of your top scumreads.

Because at that point it's just gut read. All the actual reads went out of the freaking drain.
I moved on to FA because it was clear that those I read town wanted FA.
And you say "Go for FA", I didn't push. I simply moved my vote, in favor of those who I see town, and an observation test of hesistant and reluctant hammering / unvotes.

In post 4288, Kitz wrote:Beware. Moving my vote.

In post 4324, SilverWolf wrote:It's not uncommon for the doc not to reveal if they healed anyone or not. That info. isn't revealed until post game or if the doc claims for some reason. Doc's playing scummy is not unusual either.

Red flag. A Doctor should reveal at that point if all he managed to heal are still alive. It would aid us in finding Scum, and do a process of elemination.
None had claimed to be healed. What's a good doctor if he can only heal to prolong but not aid in the slightest towards finding Scum? Continous mislynches outweights outing self in order to find multiple scum.

Unpopular opinion there.

In post 4324, SilverWolf wrote:What do you mean that those that have meta and are familiar with the players are FoS? Why is it suspicious to you that some of us are familiar with each other? I find that very odd.

Some can read that player and understand the softclaim, and those that are specifically looking for them. These understood the value of his flip.

In post 4324, SilverWolf wrote:Here's NS's posts outing himself or crumbing or whatever 2840

In post 2840, Nobody Special wrote:Everyone, please. Answer me this.

Have you ever seen a setup with town powerroles where one PR was every-night and the other powerrole was split between even/odd?

Because we have even/odd doctors (well, two nonconsecutive doctors, very nearly the same thing), but both claimed cops are every-night.

Think about that for just a moment.

We can lynch either vikingfan or ABR. I don't care anymore. Ellie can be next.

How is that crumbing to own role..? All I see is adding to the setup discussion.
Even though the "two doctors" could be a potential slip, I'd think of that logically as well with the absurd lack of kills.

In post 4324, SilverWolf wrote:You are an FoS to me now for your selective quoting and saying I outed NS though so there's that.

Instead of the others who also were part of it? Now you're the selective one.

In post 4327, SilverWolf wrote:UTR

2nd time I ask. What's UTR?

Kitz · Post Post #4329 (ISO) » Mon Mar 23, 2015 2:46 am

Although to be fair, I woke up, showered, had breakfast, then read the game and quickly ISO'd Wolf, before I rushed off to the doctor, so I really couldn't do too much reading, but I thought the " NS" search revealed enough.

Marquis · Post Post #4330 (ISO) » Mon Mar 23, 2015 2:47 am

i feel so dumb right now.

i'll be back later today

goodmorning · Post Post #4331 (ISO) » Mon Mar 23, 2015 3:13 am

In post 4328, Kitz wrote:
In post 4324, SilverWolf wrote:It's not uncommon for the doc not to reveal if they healed anyone or not. That info. isn't revealed until post game or if the doc claims for some reason. Doc's playing scummy is not unusual either.

Red flag. A Doctor should reveal at that point if all he managed to heal are still alive. It would aid us in finding Scum, and do a process of elemination.
None had claimed to be healed. What's a good doctor if he can only heal to prolong but not aid in the slightest towards finding Scum? Continous mislynches outweights outing self in order to find multiple scum.

Unpopular opinion there.

SilverWolf retains the popular opinion, actually.
Doctors are more useful alive than dead, and when in a potentially multiball game with who-knows-what blocking roles or other protective ones, outing their protects doesn't serve to clear anyone as Town (could be Scum targeted by Wolf, kill could have been stopped by someone not the Doctor, etc). So all a Doc claiming would do is get him killed.

UTR stands for 'under the radar.'
NS said

TWO

non-consecutive Docs. Only one had flipped. He very plainly meant that he was the other.

Kitz · Post Post #4332 (ISO) » Mon Mar 23, 2015 3:23 am

In post 4331, goodmorning wrote:NS said TWO non-consecutive Docs. Only one had flipped. He very plainly meant that he was the other

How does that scream "I'm the 2nd one"?
Logic can be used... Lack of kills.

Kitz · Post Post #4333 (ISO) » Mon Mar 23, 2015 3:24 am

Not to mention that if this was so extremely obvious, why didn't he claim then?

SilverWolf · Post Post #4334 (ISO) » Mon Mar 23, 2015 4:04 am

OMG I am sooooooo annoyed. I responded to everything in your wall Kitz and your last two posts and went to hit preview to see how it looked and my internet crashed and it is gone now.

Damn it!!

Kitz · Post Post #4335 (ISO) » Mon Mar 23, 2015 4:16 am

In post 4334, SilverWolf wrote:OMG I am sooooooo annoyed. I responded to everything in your wall Kitz and your last two posts and went to hit preview to see how it looked and my internet crashed and it is gone now.

Damn it!!

That's why I notepad stuff. TLDR?

dragonspawn · Post Post #4336 (ISO) » Mon Mar 23, 2015 4:19 am

In post 4325, SilverWolf wrote:
In post 4323, goodmorning wrote:
In post 4317, Kitz wrote:Quick ISO with " NS" on the search. You crumbed him, and saw him out.

So did myself and TSO.

In post 4319, T S O wrote:I am starting to doubt the authenticity of the Serial Killer as well - one night of 3 kills out of 5 nights has me skeptical.

I agree. 1-Shot Vig maybe? But then what?

Or maybe we have some sort of blocking/protecting role that's getting very lucky.

Eh. probably no mileage in speculation anyway.

I should probably do some ISOs or something. There are still too many players in this game, I swear.

I doubt there's an SK in this game with only one kill per night the last 3 nights unless the doc has been doing a fantastic job of blocking every time. I'm pretty sure if there's a vig, it's one-shot and was used N1. I can't explain the 3 kill attempts N1. I have no idea.

I find trying to outguess the mod is a waste of time. I do it a lot but it never works so..........................No idea.

If there were only two and a certain cop were lying for some reason, I think that's possible. But we will never know till it's over.

dragonspawn · Post Post #4337 (ISO) » Mon Mar 23, 2015 4:25 am

In post 4331, goodmorning wrote:
In post 4328, Kitz wrote:
In post 4324, SilverWolf wrote:It's not uncommon for the doc not to reveal if they healed anyone or not. That info. isn't revealed until post game or if the doc claims for some reason. Doc's playing scummy is not unusual either.

Red flag. A Doctor should reveal at that point if all he managed to heal are still alive. It would aid us in finding Scum, and do a process of elemination.
None had claimed to be healed. What's a good doctor if he can only heal to prolong but not aid in the slightest towards finding Scum? Continous mislynches outweights outing self in order to find multiple scum.

Unpopular opinion there.

SilverWolf retains the popular opinion, actually.
Doctors are more useful alive than dead, and when in a potentially multiball game with who-knows-what blocking roles or other protective ones, outing their protects doesn't serve to clear anyone as Town (could be Scum targeted by Wolf, kill could have been stopped by someone not the Doctor, etc). So all a Doc claiming would do is get him killed.

UTR stands for 'under the radar.'
NS said
TWO
non-consecutive Docs. Only one had flipped. He very plainly meant that he was the other.

Oh and now you picked up the doc crumbs and can't resist boasting how obvious it is.

Can we lynch this scum today?

vote gm

SilverWolf · Post Post #4338 (ISO) » Mon Mar 23, 2015 4:37 am

Ummm dragon? GM is not the only one who picked up on that. Several of us did. How on Earth does that make her scum?

Kitz-I'll answer it later and yeah, I need to save things somewhere else before posting if they are long-have lots of quotes in them.

Aeronaut · Post Post #4339 (ISO) » Mon Mar 23, 2015 4:49 am

VOTE: dragon

goodmorning · Post Post #4340 (ISO) » Mon Mar 23, 2015 5:02 am

In post 4333, Kitz wrote:Not to mention that if this was so extremely obvious, why didn't he claim then?

He didn't claim because THAT IS OBJECTIVELY BAD DOC PLAY

No, it wouldn't be obvious that there were 2 Docs to anyone who wasn't the second one. Plenty of roles/mechanics/modifiers can account for a lack of kill, including but not limited to:

Bulletproof
Roleblocker
Jailkeeper
Deathproof
Rolestopper
limited-shot killers
several killers aiming at the same target

WHY ARE WE EVEN ARGUING ABOUT WHY WE KNEW HE WAS DOC AHHHH

In post 4337, dragonspawn wrote:Oh and now you picked up the doc crumbs and can't resist boasting how obvious it is.

In post 2842, goodmorning wrote:
In post 2840, Nobody Special wrote:two nonconsecutive doctors

wait, what?

In post 2849, goodmorning wrote:
In post 2845, T S O wrote:oh no

oh god no

what??

In post 2872, goodmorning wrote:If you're talking about NS...

In post 2883, goodmorning wrote:
In post 2873, T S O wrote:yeeep

Well too late then.

I mean, it's not like TSO and I had a conversation about it or anything...

Also, answering a question =/= boasting. Good try though.

In post 4338, SilverWolf wrote:Ummm dragon? GM is not the only one who picked up on that. Several of us did. How on Earth does that make her scum?

Basically his entire case on me is that my ego must make me Scum for some reason. idk, it's not like he's been trying to play the game for a while now. Can we lynch him yet?

Kitz · Post Post #4341 (ISO) » Mon Mar 23, 2015 5:13 am

In post 4340, goodmorning wrote:WHY ARE WE EVEN ARGUING ABOUT WHY WE KNEW HE WAS DOC AHHHH

Because not all knew.
In this scenario if all knows anyway, it's best to out himself.

That should be the better play.
If I was Doc and everyone knew I was one without me claiming and it was obvious at that point, I'd just claim and reveal my information.

Shinobi · Post Post #4342 (ISO) » Mon Mar 23, 2015 5:23 am

Who would shoot NS?

Kitz · Post Post #4343 (ISO) » Mon Mar 23, 2015 5:24 am

In post 4342, Shinobi wrote:Who would shoot NS?

Doc can't heal itself. Scum killed NS.

Shinobi · Post Post #4344 (ISO) » Mon Mar 23, 2015 5:25 am

In post 4343, Kitz wrote:
In post 4342, Shinobi wrote:Who would shoot NS?

Doc can't heal itself. Scum killed NS.

Gee. Thanks.

goodmorning · Post Post #4345 (ISO) » Mon Mar 23, 2015 5:32 am

In post 4341, Kitz wrote:
In post 4340, goodmorning wrote:WHY ARE WE EVEN ARGUING ABOUT WHY WE KNEW HE WAS DOC AHHHH

Because not all knew.
In this scenario if all knows anyway, it's best to out himself.

That should be the better play.
If I was Doc and everyone knew I was one without me claiming and it was obvious at that point, I'd just claim and reveal my information.

But everyone didn't know, as you've just said yourself and this conversation is absolutely useless.

In post 4342, Shinobi wrote:Who would shoot NS?

Someone who knew he was Doc...?

It's not as though it was difficult to spot; apparently me, TSO, SilverWolf, and elusive(?) all posted that we saw it in the thread, and it's not inconceivable that others would notice too.

goodmorning · Post Post #4346 (ISO) » Mon Mar 23, 2015 5:33 am

But why are we all dwelling on the NK and NS's Doc crumbing when we should be talking scumhunting?

dragonspawn · Post Post #4347 (ISO) » Mon Mar 23, 2015 5:37 am

In post 4338, SilverWolf wrote:Ummm dragon? GM is not the only one who picked up on that. Several of us did. How on Earth does that make her scum?

Kitz-I'll answer it later and yeah, I need to save things somewhere else before posting if they are long-have lots of quotes in them.

Well scum had to figure it out, so logically those announcing they knew it are scum candidates.

Gm can't help bragging about

SilverWolf · Post Post #4348 (ISO) » Mon Mar 23, 2015 5:39 am

In post 4347, dragonspawn wrote:
In post 4338, SilverWolf wrote:Ummm dragon? GM is not the only one who picked up on that. Several of us did. How on Earth does that make her scum?

Kitz-I'll answer it later and yeah, I need to save things somewhere else before posting if they are long-have lots of quotes in them.

Well scum had to figure it out, so logically those announcing they knew it are scum candidates.

Gm can't help bragging about

GM is not bragging about anything. I really don't get why you keep saying that. GM noticed what TSO, elusive, and myself noticed and probably others that didn't say anything.

Your case on GM is shit and I don't like it. Give me a real case on why she is scum.

T S O · Post Post #4349 (ISO) » Mon Mar 23, 2015 5:45 am

4337 is ridiculous, dragon, what are you doing.