Open 590: Diffusion of Power (Town Win)

[Randomnamechange]

VOTE: inte
His actions around chriv were suspicious.

[House]

House

reads are so off that i can´t believe that they come from a townie perspective

That read is just silly.

[Mentor]

Catching up.

UNVOTE:

[inte]

dodge

[House]

VOTE: Newbie

Because I don't understand his vote or the unexplained townread on him.

[Mentor]

Random is conf town. Are you claiming a cop guilty Mentor?

If he does, he needs to be turbolynched tomorrow.

I do not. I really didn't like what you did at the end of D1, and was going to vote you for it yesterday but you guys lynched so fast and I never even got a chance to post. Longest. Night. Ever.

This response, however, changed my mind.

Why did that happen, by the way? The super lynch, I mean. Why didn't anyone stop to ask questions? Why did NM vote without any explanation at the start of the day as if to suggest he had a guilty and then let it go through without clarifying it? That's balls.

VOTE: inte

I really hate this. I really really hate when people do this. Can we please explain things when we vote? It would make it much easier for me to understand what you're doing.

^ Scumposting.

Mentor either wanted to make sure ChriVi was hammered in case mine wasn't the hammer vote (which it was, so...), or he wanted to look like he was "with town" on wanting ChriVi out of the game.

The flip will tell which of the two.

VOTE: Mentor

This is why I didn't like you. Unless you somehow think I wrote all that up between your vote and me posting it, you are way off. AND you were the one that

knowingly

hammered which suggested to me that you were trying to get it over with to avoid any further discussion and to gain some kind of position on the wagon at the last minute.

Not to mention.... I was voting Inte.

ok so GC was real, therefore random is also confirmed.

between killapenwin votes there is probably one of the mafia team

killapenwin (6) - LYNCH: House, Newbie, Green Crayons, inte, Not_Mafia, BlueBloodedToffee

I think Newbie and inte are both towns, so i think is very likely that there is atleast one mafia of House, Not_mafia or BBT

Ok. First of all - why is inte town?? Why is Newbie town? I seriously have no recollection of Newbie doing anything substantial.

ChriVi, Mafia Goon, Lynched d1
Antihero, Town N-3 Cop, Killed n1
killapenwin, Town N-5 Cop, Lynched d2
Green Crayons, Town N-1 Cop, Killed n2

Ok, GC was N1 cop. I can see that thing with random. Fine.

On the killa wagon, I'm looking at inte, NM or BBT, with preference on inte then BBT.

Also... I was under the impression that the night assignments would not be flipped?

Why do you think inte and I are town and BBT is possibly one of the mafia?

Why are you interested in yourself, inte and myself and excluding NM and House?

Why are you interested in Newbie's self-interest?

I would think self-interest comes from being nervous about how people are reading you, and the only people who would be nervous about that are scum. Town just get mad.

House reads are so off that i can´t believe that they come from a townie perspective

How do you know they are off? Which reads in particular are you talking about? Also, I don't really get how you think town somehow magically have the best reads and never scumread other town people. That seems backwards since the town don't know anything at all. How long does a person have to be on the site in order to be expected to have all correct reads? And is House one of these people?

I would like to vote inte but I see a lot of votes and want to see a vote count.

[davesaz]

Official Vote Count

inte

(2): BlueBloodedToffee, randomidget

Newbie

(1): House

Mentor

(1): Newbie

BlueBloodedToffee

(1): Not_Mafia

Not Voting

(4): inte, droog, Mentor, Creative

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2015-04-05 11:00:00)

[Newbie]

@Creative How is NM being a troll and useless? What do you think of droog?

@Mentor Why NM and BBT?

@House So you think Creative is scum who gave his partner a town read, but you're not voting for Creative? Wat.

[House]

@Creative How is NM being a troll and useless? What do you think of droog?

@Mentor Why NM and BBT?

@House So you think Creative is scum who gave his partner a town read, but you're not voting for Creative? Wat.

Actually I wanted an excuse to unvote Mentor after he unvoted me, if you want to get technical about it.

[droog]

the whole mentor/bbb discussion on page 2 is a mess
mentor especially
feels like scum annoyed that no one
wants to actually give logic

bbt could be scum because hed actually
claim scum as scum for wifom

but i tihnk one scum is in that group

[droog]

the whole mentor/bbb discussion on page 2 is a mess
mentor especially
feels like scum annoyed that no one
wants to actually give logic

bbt could be scum because hed actually
claim scum as scum for wifom

but i tihnk one scum is in that group

[droog]

I am trying to figure out how a game is supposed to go here and instead

of asking me to explain things you obviously do not understand, you continue to attack me. That doesn't make any sense. It's like you're not actually interested in finding the truth, and only interested in proving your case.

this especially
feels like sscum defensively
upset that it isnt all about logic

[droog]

VOTE: Green Crayons

would vote just for this entrance

[Newbie]

Ok. First of all - why is inte town?? Why is Newbie town? I seriously have no recollection of Newbie doing anything substantial.

On the killa wagon, I'm looking at inte, NM or BBT, with preference on inte then BBT.

So you don't think I've done anything to be seen as town by, but you don't have me down as one of your suspects on the killa wagon? Wat.

I would think self-interest comes from being nervous about how people are reading you, and the only people who would be nervous about that are scum

. Town just get mad.

What? Then why am I not a suspect along with BBT and NM?

@Creative How is NM being a troll and useless? What do you think of droog?

@Mentor Why NM and BBT?

@House So you think Creative is scum who gave his partner a town read, but you're not voting for Creative? Wat.

Actually I wanted an excuse to unvote Mentor after he unvoted me, if you want to get technical about it.

So you never thought Mentor was scum in the first place?

[droog]

Stop being suicidal.

Suicidal people in the context of mafia are scum, for this reason:

Both town and scum want to stay alive for their wincon. The only reason to pretend like you're cool with dying is if you're scum wanting the town-cred... When really nobody should give town-cred for such a thing because town shouldn't want to die. Town should want to lynch scum, and getting themselves lynched is playing against their own win-con.

In which case: VOTE: BlueBloodedToffee

(In case any of you are curious, no this is not an RVS vote)

i do not think this post
is a bus that two scumpartners would make
especially the rant about 'suicidal people'
bbt is leaning town now

[droog]

/confirm

VOTE: BBT

Out of the two hard pushing a newbie, GC seemed more genuine.

i also dont like this entrance

[droog]

GC is the wierdest in that interaction, he started by sort of defending BBT and was justifying all he was saying, then when Mentor declared to be new, he suddenly changed his vote to BBT without any reasoning,

i failed to see why the conclusion is: Mentor is new, therefore BBT is mafia.

I find it interesting that this what you're saying my thought process is, when it clearly is not. And you've clearly read the thread.

agree with crayons here
leaning town on crayons

[droog]

VOTE: GreenCrayons

Play better.

crayons is my top townread atm
for this post
thanks for caring about mafia crayons : )

[droog]

I hope this game doesn't become those that one has to state about his unsureness every single time he gives a read, it gets really redundant. Mafia is a game of imperfect information, not even scum has all the info in the game. Of course the info i discussed is one that i could have if i was scum, but i mean, do you think that was exactly a 3 town or 3 mafia interaction, it's even statistically unlikely.

Fair enough. I understand your point.

I really hate that Newbie rolled over so quickly. I disliked this part of Creative's 142 when I saw it, but I decided to just let it be because I thought I was getting too paranoid.

Now, I'll ask a not-too-random sampling of

@BBT

,

@random,

and

@Not_Mafia

: how do you feel about Creative, and this particular quotation from 142? Please compare what he's saying here with his positions on players in Post 132.

UNVOTE: BBT

crayons
i actually felt newbies 'roll over'
was scummier than the thing creative said
im thinking creative's case on you
that you broke in 148
was misguided after all

[droog]

Scum will be those who either refuse to claim or among those with a counterclaim.

what

[droog]

middle of day one
is dominated by crayons
and anti slips in
and posts a bunch
and kill is in here making good points

lots of town in this space
scum had to slip in somewhere

[droog]

btt is lynch bait
crayon is dumb or scum
penguin sounds like scum

i think i got this game wrapped up boys

here mayb.?

[droog]

lets start off with a penguin lynch tomorrow boys

no comment

[droog]

all caught up
general thoughts

flipped town had a lot of posts day 1
scum got lynched
the other scum had to be hiding
slash not around much

that means
inte/house/me/newbie

could also be creative/who was the other noob
for being new and unlikely to be able to save their partner

inte looks scummiest
for wanting to vote penguin
watching penguin vote chivri

and then not changing his opinino at all

VOTE: vote: inte[/b]

[droog]

VOTE: inte