In post 897, shos wrote:I have to say that TF is getting better lately and TC, Anen looks like a scumteam to me, but I still can't let go of the TF scumread and I'm a titbit too reluctant to vote anen.
TS, have you see TC-anen connections?
In post 899, shos wrote:That does not point why anen is more scummy than TC if anything, and also, his 477 is a good post for scum..
In post 885, shos wrote: has anyone seen s03e10 yet?
In post 880, shos wrote:In post 841, shos wrote:So...In like 10 of anen's most recent games, he posted a picture of a pidgeon if and only if he was town. he didn't this game.
but it seems that there is at least one game in anen's meta from far longer ago in which he was scum and posted that picture.
this sucks.
In post 907, Aneninen wrote:As for ThisChistmas.
Plenty of nulls, for a long time. Maybe that Toon-vote is a null too? (140 and around).
Promises a change in 167 but nothing really happens.
The Shos-vote in 232 is without any reasons.
The ToonFighter vote in 395 is similar. Just as 431 for TierShift. And Alchemist in 600... (Need I go on with this vote-analysis?)
Dodged Estival's question in 407.
633 is a "readlist". Yet again, no content with it.
Having read 756 again, I don't understand the question. (Shos was the one who talked about getting roleblocked first.)
760's"anyways whats my fate for today?"is another post which makes no sense.
Also, 801's"I don't know what the plan is. But scum are in total control. They are earning this win. I'm not doing enough. End of"– ???!
867 – and now he has internet problems. He was shopping before. And being busy IRL before that. Isn't it weird?
Summary.
Surprisingly very little content. Basicly nothing town-ish. The only problem is that I've seen such useless townies before, just as lurkscums. If it weren't for our bad situation I'd join this wagon (if we still didn't lynch TierShift) but now I don't know what to think.
In post 908, Aneninen wrote:As for Tiershift.
(1) He acts as if there had been only the Page1 slip about him. He's been posting many times things like"either you think it was a slip or not and if not, you have nothing against me". This, in this form hasn't been true for a long time.
(2) He keeps misrepresenting me, I pointed out it eg. in my last post.
(3) As I explained a couple of days ago, he can be scum with our without Shos.
(4) He launches a Setup speculation. Scums usually do that.
(5) Despite he said many times that I was scumhunting by finding the team before getting a scumflip, he's been doing the same with ThisChristmas and me.
(6) His style. I saw that in a game where he was scum. He's much more "grumpy", eg. suggesting ThisChristmas to replace out.
I know that I could have written more about this but (1) I'm tired IRL and (2) I'm a bit frustrated because it seems that noone takes my case against TierShift too seriously.
In post 908, Aneninen wrote:
(1) He acts as if there had been only the Page1 slip about him. He's been posting many times things like"either you think it was a slip or not and if not, you have nothing against me". This, in this form hasn't been true for a long time.
(2) He keeps misrepresenting me, I pointed out it eg. in my last post.
(3) As I explained a couple of days ago, he can be scum with our without Shos.
(4) He launches a Setup speculation. Scums usually do that.
(5) Despite he said many times that I was scumhunting by finding the team before getting a scumflip, he's been doing the same with ThisChristmas and me.
(6) His style. I saw that in a game where he was scum. He's much more "grumpy", eg. suggesting ThisChristmas to replace out.
In post 915, Toon Fighter wrote:TierShift, I was just thinking about your claim. Why did you target shos N1?
In post 921, Toon Fighter wrote:The final possibility, and I am not sure how likely this is, is if we have a 1-man mafia/SK. (Probably flavored to be Frank or something like that)
He would, in this scenario, be able to both block and kill. I don't know, I am just wildly speculating
In post 920, Toon Fighter wrote:two questions:
1) shos had recently claimed D1. There was no indication of any scum RB (or lack thereof).. The only claims were me (VT) and shos (gunsmith). Why would you assume he would be RB and claim he was roleblocked? Why not check a shos target (me for example, as he suspected me during D1, or any other suspicious player) and then catch shos contradiction he that person hadn't been 'gunsmithed'?
2) shos had already been blocked N1. Nothing had changed about that by N2. There were no more claims D2, only AA9 died, and she was a tracker. shos would very likely be blocked again or die that night. Why did you target shos again? What were you expecting to see? Wasn't he already conftown in your eyes by then? With AA9's tracker flip it was possible some other player had a similar 1-shot ability. Why didn't you target anyone else to confirm/catch someone contradicting themselves? These details of your claim don't fully convince me yet.
OTOH, balance issues. If we assume ONLY shos is telling the truth, we have a setup like:
1 gunsmith
1 scum RB
1 1-shot tracker
(1 goon and 5 townies)
Is this balanced? I think not. In fact it is scum-sided IMHO. Now look at this:
1 gunsmith
1 1-shot tracker
1 1-shot commuter
1 voyeur
1 scum RB
(1 goon and 3 townies)
Is this balanced? I'd reckon yes, as the tracker and commuter are almost flavour-only roles. Plus the voyeur can confirm 2 of the town PR, as well as confirming RB's and the like. The only thing that appears slightly out of place for me is the commuter. He really adds little to the setup, as TS has said, switching only odds to evens if he manages to escape the correct night.
Now, last option, for the sake of it, if shos and TS are lying? We'd get a setup with a 1-shot tracker and a 1-shot commuter, which is almost mountainous. I discard this possibility outright.