Open 591: C9++, The Lunatic Ayslum (Game Over: Town Win!)

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Yeah.

[DarkLightA]

Ah, I thought it was a reference to me.

[Collatz]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Collatz

Sometimes it's nice to jump around and see what sticks. I'm happy with BBT and his response—if anything it's more of a townslip if all role PMs end with the same confirm message—but I like to vote to test people, get used to it.

I don't like Collatz' response to this though. I'm an obvious target because of my vote hopping, and he's taking full advantage of this to make a case against me without questioning whether it's actually a scumtell. What merit does vote hopping this early in the game have to scum that it doesn't have to town? What would make scum more inclined to vote hop than town? I don't know, and I don't think Collatz knows either. I think he's just looking for an easy way to seem pro-town.

I'm not voting for you because I want to appear pro-town (well, I am but doesn't everyone?) I'm voting for you because I find your actions to be relatively scummy. Are they a 100% scum tell? No, but they are still scummy. It's not really the vote hopping itself that is scummy but it's the fact that none of you votes have had any reasons behind them. But that's not even the scummiest thing. What I find worst is that when I called you out for switching your vote to Alchemist21 you switched it back to Amy Farrah Fowler.

[DarkLightA]

What I find worst is that when I called you out for switching your vote to Alchemist21 you switched it back to Amy Farrah Fowler.

Do you think scum is more likely to do that than town?

[Otolia]

Do you think he can correctly predict my actions?

So I've said something about me that I've done in the past, and now it has become me saying I can predict your actions.

The world doesn't revolve around you. I know you're British and you tend to think that way but still ... In any case, welcome to the game EuroBro

[BlueBloodedToffee]

He

was informed but didn't read

his

PM that carefully.

So this is you not talking about me, right?

[Collatz]

DarLightA - I think both are likely to do so, but at the early stages of a game where there isn't much info I treated it as more of a scum move than town move. And this suspiscion was then supported by your unreasoned vote on BBT.

[DarkLightA]

Why would scum do it?

[DarkLightA]

What does scum stand to gain?

[curiouskarmadog]

I just saw midget as town, one shot vig a person who got a guilty on scum....because he wasnt reading the thread.

if all things constant and someone has to die today, it should be him.

Link?

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=60843

[Marcrell]

Why would scum do it?

Denies town information/pressure in the starting phase.

Yes, I was referring to the game I had with RandomMidget.

I'd say vote-hopping becomes more scummy once we leave RVS. It can be reasoned in RVS dependibg in the situation, but later it's mostly bandwagoning if you're hopping. I'd say pretty null right now.

@DarkLightA : That's a pretty weak vote. He was informed but didn't read his PM that carefully. Nothing to get your panties in a bunch !

Before I catch up, this post is horrible.

This and his follow up are pure nonsense. One can assume that you didn't read your PM's fully if you didn't know to confirm in thread. He's either getting uber defensive at a perceived accusation or trying to create scum tells out of thin air.

[curiouskarmadog]

Multiple people said to lynch zeb if tip flipped scum. He wouldve been lynxhed
Anyway, im putting more effort into thus game.
VOTE: CKD

ummm...one person (scum) said that.

you werent not reading..

why are you putting MORE effort into this game first that game?

[curiouskarmadog]

He's making it out to be worse than it is. I also caught and pushed scum all day 1 and 2.

wait you did what now?

[Otolia]

He was informed but didn't read his PM that carefully.

I tried to put myself in your shoes. But you're right, I thought something and said another.

[curiouskarmadog]

I found it. Open 558 Hope plus 1. Lost in lylo when I CCed scum claiming and was lynched.

Also VOTE: curiouskarmadog. I'm not seeing his wagon on random.

what part are you not seeing?

my vote page 2 on a wagon "if all things are constant"? Do you think all things will stay constant today?

[curiouskarmadog]

Multiple people said to lynch zeb if tip flipped scum. He wouldve been lynxhed
Anyway, im putting more effort into thus game.
VOTE: CKD

ummm...one person (scum) said that.

you were

nt

not reading..

why are you putting MORE effort into this game

first

versus that game?

love proofreading.

[Collatz]

Why would scum switch their vote? I don't know. But I also can't see Town switching their vote. In fact, I find it less likely for Town to switch their vote simply because the will not want to stand out in any way. As for what scum would stand to gain from it I, again, do not know. The whole thing has kind of confused me but when it happened used it as an oppurtunity to try and get some information early in the game. As for why I still think your are scummy it's because of your vote on BBT and because of the way you voted for me once I called you out on your vote hopping and voted for you because of it

[Marcrell]

I found it. Open 558 Hope plus 1. Lost in lylo when I CCed scum claiming and was lynched.

Also VOTE: curiouskarmadog. I'm not seeing his wagon on random.

what part are you not seeing?

my vote page 2 on a wagon "if all things are constant"? Do you think all things will stay constant today?

No not really. It's a new game. Unless you're referring to this game, which without any day abilities will stay constant today. But you seem hyper-serious. I've fucked up like that before. Sometimes you're right and it tirns out, sometimes you're wrong. Bad decision. I don't like policy lynches on people day one though.

[DarkLightA]

Why would scum do it?

Denies town information/pressure in the starting phase.

I'm talking to Collatz—I'm interested in his opinions, not theory.

[DarkLightA]

Why would scum switch their vote? I don't know. But I also can't see Town switching their vote. In fact, I find it less likely for Town to switch their vote simply because the will not want to stand out in any way. As for what scum would stand to gain from it I, again, do not know. The whole thing has kind of confused me but when it happened used it as an oppurtunity to try and get some information early in the game. As for why I still think your are scummy it's because of your vote on BBT and because of the way you voted for me once I called you out on your vote hopping and voted for you because of it

Love this.

[curiouskarmadog]

I found it. Open 558 Hope plus 1. Lost in lylo when I CCed scum claiming and was lynched.

Also VOTE: curiouskarmadog. I'm not seeing his wagon on random.

what part are you not seeing?

my vote page 2 on a wagon "if all things are constant"? Do you think all things will stay constant today?

No not really. It's a new game. Unless you're referring to this game, which without any day abilities will stay constant today. But you seem hyper-serious. I've fucked up like that before. Sometimes you're right and it tirns out, sometimes you're wrong. Bad decision. I don't like policy lynches on people day one though.

it is a policy vote for sure. midget is a liability. until something actually scummy comes along this game...that is where my vote will stay.

would you have preferred a random vote? why or why not?

[curiouskarmadog]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: BlueBloodedToffee

Were you not informed that you should confirm in-thread?

I am curious.

I didnt know I was suppose to confirm in thread before I came to this thread. only found that out once I started reading the thread.

sooooo

am I scummy?

[DarkLightA]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: BlueBloodedToffee

Were you not informed that you should confirm in-thread?

I am curious.

I didnt know I was suppose to confirm in thread before I came to this thread. only found that out once I started reading the thread.

sooooo

am I scummy?

I'm happy with BBT and his response—if anything it's more of a townslip if all role PMs end with the same confirm message—but I like to vote to test people, get used to it.

[DarkLightA]

I'll respond to #91 soonish, there's a lot to talk about.

[mnemonicdevice]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Collatz

Sometimes it's nice to jump around and see what sticks. I'm happy with BBT and his response—if anything it's more of a townslip if all role PMs end with the same confirm message—but I like to vote to test people, get used to it.

I don't like Collatz' response to this though. I'm an obvious target because of my vote hopping, and he's taking full advantage of this to make a case against me without questioning whether it's actually a scumtell. What merit does vote hopping this early in the game have to scum that it doesn't have to town? What would make scum more inclined to vote hop than town? I don't know, and I don't think Collatz knows either. I think he's just looking for an easy way to seem pro-town.

I'm not voting for you because I want to appear pro-town (well, I am but doesn't everyone?) I'm voting for you because I find your actions to be relatively scummy. Are they a 100% scum tell? No, but they are still scummy. It's not really the vote hopping itself that is scummy but it's the fact that none of you votes have had any reasons behind them. But that's not even the scummiest thing. What I find worst is that when I called you out for switching your vote to Alchemist21 you switched it back to Amy Farrah Fowler.

I personally think that votehopping is a great thing to do in early game, even after RVS, because it provokes reactions. That is what town seeks to gain from doing it.