New York 180 (Endgame)

[Shinobi]

For you to sell him as scum means the scenario he's bringing up, IE "experienced players running in circles around everyone else" can only come from a mafia mindset, and I don't really see that as being the case.

[goodmorning]

That's like 8 people in your lynch pile, and your entire "would lynch" is a bunch of people fighting amongst themselves.

'could lynch' means i'd vote them at deadline but otherwise no.

[T S O]

What does should lynch mean? Because I want to know why I'm there.

[goodmorning]

You're there because I think you're Scum.

[T S O]

Do you actually have any reason for that, or is it all paranoia ...?

[T S O]

Again, I have no idea how I've ended up in your scumpool - I can't understand how you went from basically null to scum on me. Maybe I'm just part of an old and outdated guard who believe in explaining their reads.

[Shinobi]

VOTE: goodmorning

Let's go with this then.

[Shinobi]

Eh.

UNVOTE:

I feel like there's probably a plausible explanation there for those things.

[Shinobi]

VOTE: Aeronaut

[goodmorning]

I feel like there's probably a plausible explanation there for those things.

Probably.

[Shinobi]

I feel like there's probably a plausible explanation there for those things.

Probably.

Would you care to give us them then?

[goodmorning]

Not right this instant.

[Shinobi]

VOTE: goodmorning

Okay, guess I'll just chill out right here then.

[goodmorning]

It's almost as though you've never played me before.

Except that you have.

[T S O]

stop acting fucking coy gm it's not cute

explain now

[T S O]

I'm waiting for people to clock in so I can talk to them. Come on, you lot.

[Shinobi]

It's almost as though you've never played me before.

Except that you have.

Yeah, once; you were scum.

You made terrible reads between players that were attacking each other and came up with reasons not to post, which is exactly what you're doing now.

[T S O]

I don't really think the quotes you've pulled are particularly damning.

Other than the fact that Marquis is fixated on you, I don't see the issue. It seems like what he's saying is legitimate, despite being wrong.

My scumread on Marquis is based on me calling his read on me a load of shit. Do you agree or disagree with that?

[Shinobi]

What exactly am I agreeing/disagreeing with here? I don't really understand what you're asking.

[goodmorning]

stop acting fucking coy gm it's not cute

explain now

oh u

It's almost as though you've never played me before.

Except that you have.

Yeah, once; you were scum.

You made terrible reads between players that were attacking each other and came up with reasons not to post, which is exactly what you're doing now.

Obviously you missed when I said: "Oh you poor thing. I am the type of person who replaces into L-1 slots. Votes do not and have never bothered me as any alignment."

I object to 'terrible reads' too. If they were so terrible then I'd have been lynched. The whole point of being Scum is to justify your reads well enough that you're left alone but not so well that you can't go back on them.

I'll just let you two get back to arguing now.

[T S O]

What exactly am I agreeing/disagreeing with here? I don't really understand what you're asking.

Why do you think I'm calling Marquis scum? I didn't understand your response a bit back, and I don't think you understand me either - I'm trying to find the point where our views diverge.

[T S O]

gm, even if you hate this game, don't you at least have enough fucking respect for people like me to play it?

[Shinobi]

@GM: Stop writing off the fact that you made terrible reads because you didn't get lynched by an apathetic town. Your reads were bad then and they're bad now for the exact same reasons.

You're ignoring the fact that I called you out for it then and writing it off as meaningless when you know for a fact that it's not, which is mega scummy.

@TSO: My whole understanding of the you/Marquis fight is that you're both wrapped up in calling the reads you have on one another as bullshit, and it seems like you both have reasonable defenses to what the other is saying.

[Ozgin]

Sorry I've been a shitty (lurky) player lately, going V/LA for tomorrow. It's been a hectic school week, but I've been reading up to this point.

Spoiler: @TSO

While I see your point (and it is a good point) that Marquis' 4504 is bad, but in your quote for "today," I think the whole point (if I'm reading it correctly) is that you were being passive and then today he OMGUS'd you after you said you wanted him dead, but I also think his 4375 explains his vote flop to you in his 4491.

In 4491 he kinda explains his own shortcomings in his Shin read:

Shinobi right now I'm still not liking at all, but I'm willing to admit that my approach to that was flawed so any response he has to me would naturally incense me in return. I just... I really have no idea anymore. I feel like I'm sabotaging my own reads at the very least. Ignoring again for now.

Which then it only makes sense that he'd switch to you because in 4375 he identified both you and Shinobi as his two top scumpects:

why do i get the feeling that we just have a lot of town outclassed by scum in experience at looking town?? shinobi, tso? i could see those two easily driving a scumteam.

Spoiler: Marquis

Do you think if you get lynched and flip town, that it'll confscum TSO? Why or why not? You said in your read TSO was an overagressive OMGUSer and a misrepper of your meta, can you point to specific posts of that nature?

Starting to really like spoilers because it makes my walls less wall-y. I wanna hear from both sides, directly answer my questions. That way I can make a fair enough assessment of the situation.

[SilverWolf]

GM is town, I'm pretty sure of it. Feel the same way about Ozgin.