Signs and Void (Game Over) [TM2015]

[Titus]

. Given how townsided most of the open setups can be, I bet practically no one preferred scum.

Do you think this set-up is particularly townsided?

Too early to tell.

[vezokpiraka]

. Given how townsided most of the open setups can be, I bet practically no one preferred scum.

Do you think this set-up is particularly townsided?

Too early to tell.

So you think people spent their tokens on other games and didn't have anything else to spend here?

[Titus]

. Given how townsided most of the open setups can be, I bet practically no one preferred scum.

Do you think this set-up is particularly townsided?

Too early to tell.

So you think people spent their tokens on other games and didn't have anything else to spend here?

Maybe. Each team is different. The smart play is to see what games you got then assign token.

[hitogoroshi]

VC 7 (Minor Day 1, VC 7)

Bane:

Target player's Sign is revealed.

(2)

Gammagooey:

ActionDan, vezokpiraka [L-8]
(2)

ChannelDelibird:

Cheetory6, Titus [L-8]
(1)

No Bane:

GuyInFreezer

(Titus)

(1)

Titus:

ChannelDelibird
(1)

Zar:

Gammagooey
(1)

Shadoweh:

Tammy
(1)

GuyInFreezer:

Marquis
(1)

Cheetory6:

Bulbazak
(1)

Untrod Tripod:

DeasVail
(1)

Mastin2:

Shadoweh

(7)

No Bane Vote:

Antihero, Aronis, Espeonage, Mastin2, T S O, Untrod Tripod, Zar

Choice:

Should protection stop

one

kill, but inform players when a kill on them was prevented; or

two

kills, without this information?

(7)

One:

ChannelDelibird, ActionDan, vezokpiraka, GuyInFreezer, Marquis, DeasVail, Shadoweh [L-3]
(5)

Two:

Gammagooey, Titus, Untrod Tripod, Cheetory6, T S O [L-5]

(7)

No Choice Vote:

Antihero, Aronis, Bulbazak, Espeonage, Mastin2, Tammy, Zar

With 19 votes in play, it takes 10 to Bane or Choose. Deadline is Sunday, April 5th at 9 PM CST.

Minor Day One Deadline

(expired on 2015-04-05 21:00:00)

[Gammagooey]

Bane: Marquis

I'm voting Two btw because scum can get past one protection very easily if a PR claims. each protect being two means they have to dedicate 3/4ths of the scumteam to killing someone they think is likely to be protected, and if they get down to 2 members alive and Viktor is dead (since he has Duplicate) then they probably can't get past it at all.

[T S O]

Is Unmake not a factional ability? As in, even if only one is alive they can use the full range of it?

[T S O]

. Given how townsided most of the open setups can be, I bet practically no one preferred scum.

Do you think this set-up is particularly townsided?

Too early to tell.

Given how townsided most of the open setups can be, I bet practically no one preferred scum.

So, you don't know if this set-up is townsided yet, but you don't think people would have picked scum in fear of it being townsided?

[Gammagooey]

I thought it'd be considered the same as an Active ability but maybe not.

@Hito/mod

: Can a single scum member use Unmake twice given the wording of Might?

[Titus]

@TSO, Use context please. The opens are townsided so I would be surprised if anyone picked scum in those games. It is too early to tell if this setup is townsided.

[T S O]

But how is this fully open? It's semi-open at best.

[Titus]

But how is this fully open? It's semi-open at best.

Read my posts in their entirety again.

[Tammy]

@CDB, I am rather interested in 129 as well. If Bane votes are meant to be who is the scummiest, why should the baned player get protection? Wouldn't it be better not to bane?

@Tammy/Fferylt, Pretty sure I have lost this argument on bane/not bane. I still think baning is a mistake but being stubborn will just mean my voice is lost in the process or unintentional fishing to those who cannot see theory as theory.

Theory talk is one thing, but when you start applying it to particulars of the game, people's responses to those particulars narrow down people's signs and who is or isn't alcuin.

Talk about the pros and cons to banking all you want, I just want you to leave alcuin and the candle talk out of it.

~~~

Also, I scheduled my defense today. Yay!

[Antihero]

v/la until tomorrow

[T S O]

Bane: Titus

[Tammy]

Cheetory, can you please explain your current opinions on Tammy and Marquis?

Haven't really seen enough from Marquis's first four posts to form much of an opinion on him, but I don't think him 'shitposting' during earlygame D1 seems out of character for him based on my experience with him.

Was feeling a little wary of Tammy because it seemed like she could have been pretending to not understand things to fake a lack of understanding of the scum mechanics for townpoints, but her later posts have been better.

Heh.

I'm not even sure I'd have tried that approach as scum. Although maybe actually, most people know I rarely read the rules. Though I think my approach would more be akin to me walking my own self to the gallows, putting my neck in the noose, closing my eyes and awaiting the inevitable. I can fool some of the people here some of the time, but in a team atmosphere where I can't directly try to manipulate them? Might as well stick me up against faraday.

I think I like this from you though. It is kind of an easy thing to be worried about, but fake dumb tells are something I look out for too, so I can see someone being concerned about that if you're unfamiliar with me. I like that you reevaluated without really saying anything as I think pushing a fake dumb tell thing would be easy to make you look busy.

[Tammy]

Cheetory, can you please explain your current opinions on Tammy and Marquis?

Why did you specifically ask him and why me and markee?

[DeasVail]

Cheetory, can you please explain your current opinions on Tammy and Marquis?

Why did you specifically ask him and why me and markee?

To me it sounded like he was townreading (or at least definitively 'not-scumreading') Marquis, yet seemed to be scumreading you, which was odd to me because I thought that the same thought process that would scumread you would also lead to scumreading Marquis, and the same kind of thing if townreading. I also liked his response though, and while Ceph thinks he's scum I'm more undecided and still have UT as my best guess.

[Tammy]

Ah, okay.

I'm not going to put any energy in actually reading people until tomorrow. I do think I'm finally grasping the mechanics, or at least fooling myself into thinking that. My team has a couple reads, but I'll start dealing with that tomorrow. I have to turn in the finalized version of my dissertation to my committee tonight, so I'm preserving brain power and more people need to check in.

Titus - I wouldn't bet that people wouldn't prefer scum. Due to the nature of scoring, being scum actually gives you a higher chance of winning team mafia, and I'm sure people figured that in in addition to some crazy people just preferring scum anyway. I put a double negative there, see why I need to preserve brain power?

Also shadoweh I gave you a hug and was rebuffed. I won't cry about it though.

Maybe I will

I'm still mapping out the choice thing, but is it two protections on the same night? I was under the impression it wasn't.

[Titus]

Scum gives a bonus?

Tammy, it's two protections on the same night, every night or one with knowledge of attack or not.

[DeasVail]

The two protections must be on the same person though, if I'm understanding correctly.

[T S O]

I got that impression too.

Maybe hito should just clarify the scenario in full so we don't waste time discussing how the mechanic works.

[Titus]

I thought they could be different people.

Mod: Can the protections be on different people if we pick the two protection choice? Could we protect the same person?

[hitogoroshi]

I thought it'd be considered the same as an Active ability but maybe not.

@Hito/mod

: Can a single scum member use Unmake twice given the wording of Might?

Yes. Might prohibits the double-use of ACTIVE abilities, not Factional.

I got that impression too.

Maybe hito should just clarify the scenario in full so we don't waste time discussing how the mechanic works.

Think of it this way. "Protection" is a word that can either mean "The first kill on you will be prevented, and you will informed if this prevents a kill" or "The first two kills on you will be prevented." You are choosing which one of these "protection" means. This has no bearing on how many people

get

protection. Make sense?

[Marquis]

Hello everyone! I didn't realize how much pressure to post well this game was going to make me feel! I'm going to read up now and provide coherent, happy thoughts later tonight!

Happy hunting! :)

[Titus]

Choice 1