New York 180 (Endgame)

[Kitz]

Your refusal to answering is enough scummy.
I'd figure an experienced player like you shouldn't dilly-dally on something this simple.

[Marquis]

jfc come

on

[Marquis]

i'm going to make it clear that nobody's benefiting from you holding back whatever it is you're practically giggling about over there

[Kitz]

Just answer. Also, JFC?
And potentially the whole Town will benefiit.

[Kitz]

Alright, simpler question. Are you a Vanilla Town?

[Kitz]

So yeah, here's a fun plot-twist.
Thanks Marq for ruining WIFOM to make others slip, I'm just going to say it right out.
Now that it's revealed, Scum will just use that information too.

I believe Marq Town-Slipped.

Whatever - lynch me then - I am

VT

i'm vt,

or "citizen"

. my final switch back to fa_q2 yesterday was me being dumb and thinking fa_q2's

"vt" claim was fake

due to him being scum being

forgetful/unaware of the actual normal town role.

I'm a Citizen, not VT. The fact that Marquis also uses that odd "vt" and "citizen" wording makes him informative aware of the VT Flavor provided by the host.
The reason you voted FA was because of exactly this, correct?

I believe some Scum might be blind to the fact, and just use the cultured names of the role due to the repetitive "Newbie" thing.

Also, why I didn't initially suspect Marquis is because of his Dumb-Slip, seeming a bit clueless / confused as the game went on, until we told him what's actually wrong.

How can you 'refine' a VT claim???

Failed a Spot-Check.

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That said, I'm just going to be real blunt here.
I suspect SilverWolf, goodmorning and Shinobi.

I also believe that T S O is being too forceful about this, and he could actually just be wrong about his read.

Again I'd like to say this : Meta is bullshit, and can be manipulated at all times. If meta is the sole reason anyone is scum / town, you're in for an illusion and manipulation.

Here's some things you can look up on your own : Associatives, Buddying, Informative, Too Town To Live, Protected Class, Voting Reluctance.

[goodmorning]

Spoiler: Sample PM

Citizen

Welcome XXX you are a

Citizen

Your abilities
-You have the all important power of voting

goal: Eliminate all threats to the town

K.

[goodmorning]

Anyway you should claim now, since Marquis is popcorning to you and apparently that's what we're doing.

[goodmorning]

I'm being silly. Popcorn.

[Shinobi]

Dropping a bunch of catchwords and saying that three people are scum without explaining why isn't going to cut it, especially when two of them are screaming at each other.

Btw, are we doing massclaim today or what?

[goodmorning]

How was he supposed to refine the words that he literally said????

p-Edit: We may as well, given that like half of us are claimed already anyway.

[Shinobi]

Cool I'm vt.

Ftr describing the words she's dropping, bringing up quotes or describing the situations she's talking about and how it makes those three players scum instead of personifying their play would be the best way to make a case.

[Shinobi]

You know, considering the alternative is throwing around a bunch of buzzwords that have no meaning in a vacuum.

[elusive]

And the scum pile on.

[T S O]

Kitz, it's not a townslip if the sample PM

says

Citizen and then Klingoncelt flips Citizen to further verify that.

[T S O]

Either you think Marquis is an idiot of gigantic proportions, or that makes absolutely no difference.

Can you vote already?

[Aeronaut]

If Marquis flips scum, who would you shoot TSO?

[Aeronaut]

Actually don't answer that

[T S O]

Indeed.

[Kitz]

Dropping a bunch of catchwords and saying that three people are scum without explaining why isn't going to cut it

I already gave a reason and you chose to completely ignore it. I think everyone did.
Gee, logic doesn't work. I disown the idea of "confirmed based on meta", too easy to slip under the radar and manipulate.

[Cheetory6]

Why exactly are you scumreading Silver, Kitz?

Also, VT here.

[Kitz]

Why exactly are you scumreading Silver, Kitz?

Case on Wolf :

Everyone is townreading her absolute due to the meta, even though there's been hiccups in the behavior which caused some to scumread before it magically vanished back as it adjusted appropriate.
In addition, an oddly protected class case. Why is someone this towny who has no potential lynch in sight, roaming free? Scum would just really want everyone other than themselves to be lynchworthy. If it's 1v2 and she's around as actual town, it would mean 1 town and 1 scum as potential lynches instead of 2 towns and a scum.
This is a red button, with a reverse-thought that reason they haven't died might be due to them being scum.

I'll repeat this tho : I suspect, but don't scumread. Scumlean?

If you guys want to argue this, just explain the lack of kills, together with a "Vigi" shooting alone while No One claims being healed.

[Cheetory6]

I'm seriously wondering if Viking lied about being protected to try and make his claim seem more legitimate. Like "oh man scum tried to kill me so I can't be scum!" sort of dealio?
It would make a lot of things make sense wrt # of kills N1 and there being less kills in general [with potentially a successful protection or two and just nobody being notified].
I have a hard time imagining this being multiball at this point though, which is nice.

I've been putting off reading Marquis because I'm dumb/busy.
Will try tonight if I have time.

[Kitz]

Now that you mention it... I really hope it's not another case of ABR Syndrome.

[SilverWolf]

Hey guys, due to RL issues that almost caused me to quit all my games (I'm going to finish the 2 I'm already invested in) I will not be able to participate here as much for awhile. I don't think I'll need V/LA but we'll see.

Just an FYI.