Open 591: C9++, The Lunatic Ayslum (Game Over: Town Win!)

[curiouskarmadog]

[quote="In post 373
Because I saw those posts and thought they seemed genuine enough, but I didn't really remember much of what you had posted before. I ISO'd you to see if they were all like that, and noticed that vote which caught my attention. I aksed why you didn't explain and not what your reason was because you were the first vote on the wagon; you should have given a reason then, and if I aksed you for it now you could just hide behind giving a reason someone stated after you.[/quote]

okay, but you posted like 3 posts after my vote of him. and never said anything. the timing is strange.

[Otolia]

Can you linked to the relevant game CKD ?

[Alchemist21]

[quote="In post 373
Because I saw those posts and thought they seemed genuine enough, but I didn't really remember much of what you had posted before. I ISO'd you to see if they were all like that, and noticed that vote which caught my attention. I aksed why you didn't explain and not what your reason was because you were the first vote on the wagon; you should have given a reason then, and if I aksed you for it now you could just hide behind giving a reason someone stated after you.

okay, but you posted like 3 posts after my vote of him. and never said anything. the timing is strange.[/quote]

I missed ot the first time through and noticed it on reread. You still haven't answered the question.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Regarding this post : Yes, I think a scum would try hard to defend its partner, especially if they are PR. It's just worth it. D1 is very swingy. A good defense can prevent a lynch long enough for the game to draw.

And he isn't commiting very strongly

yet but appears to prepare a space where he could potentially do more (yes I'm extrapolating here)

Besides being against a lynch isn't the same as defending the accusee. Your point mainly lies on the fact that RM doesn't actually read games and that you would rather lynch scum than policy lynch - you are actually detached from his play here.

BBT considers him scum but prefers to lynch someone more scum. I don't see the same motivation here.

Come on. Are people reading this shit??

This is getting ridiculous now.

Bold A - I have very clearly stated my position on Random.

Bold B - I do not, and have never, considered Random to be scum this game.

I'm getting frustrated with this now.

Eh, this day feels like it's starting to drag. I don't think I want to lynch Otolia anymore. A combination of Llama's sincerity as well as Otolia coming out against randomidget.

Llama's sincerity effects your read on Otolia because...

Otolia coming out against Random...elaborate in this please?

[curiouskarmadog]

Can you linked to the relevant game CKD ?

you mean again?

[curiouskarmadog]

I missed ot the first time through and noticed it on reread. You still haven't answered the question.

the question regards why I didnt post a case?

it was a vibe (thus the spidey sense) no real reason I could flush out at the time. but I have learned not to ignore my gut instinct.

though I like the "because" answer better.

the reason (which you still strangely havent asked) for the vote is

his votes and comments are giving me the "i want to test the waters of a town wagon without fully committing" vibe.

at the time I couldnt quite put my finger on it. and at the time it was just one vote...but there were comments..leading comments...careful(?) comments. "I am confused by X" and "what do I gather from X's ISO?" . Like he was looking for validation. or trying to gather steam and urging people to get involved. Our village idiot did. DarkLight commented.

then he votes Col for a really bad reason and even gives himself an out ("last time I did X I was a noob")...


now throw in his stance on Oto and his twisting of positions.

scum bag.

[curiouskarmadog]

Can you linked to the relevant game CKD ?

you mean again?

and why? either I am lying (and I miraculously predicted the same play here) or I am telling the truth. It doesnt change his play here.

also you posted like 30 minutes after I posted the link the first time, why didnt you fact check me then?

[mnemonicdevice]

mnemonic, I know your play style is usually very lurky, but can you get in the game a little more. It bothers me that I went and looked at the last vote count and forgot you were in this game...

Yeah, sorry was gone because of history, I'm back, now with less lurk.

Am I wrong? I think Reubus would be the lynch leading to the least tears.

I like how you keep on deflecting the question.

[mnemonicdevice]

DLA, that was through readthrough. You still didn't effectively quote posts to answer the question however.

[mnemonicdevice]

Otolia, is BBT scum?

If Randomidget is/flips scum, then very likely.

In a vacuum without RM acting scummy as well and him defending him (or whatever he wants to call his relationship with RM so that I'm not accused once again of "misrepresenting him" as I'm getting tired of that) ? Perhaps not as much. His links to RM are scummy, to me as well. His relationship with DLA less so and I don't understand what he sees in his interaction with you. Still I would take him to the gallows at this point of the game.

Oh also VOTE: UNVOTE I need to reread before I place a vote on anyone besides this RVS one.

[Otolia]

Spoiler: Response to BBT

Regarding this post : Yes, I think a scum would try hard to defend its partner, especially if they are PR. It's just worth it. D1 is very swingy. A good defense can prevent a lynch long enough for the game to draw.

And he isn't commiting very strongly

yet but appears to prepare a space where he could potentially do more (yes I'm extrapolating here)

Besides being against a lynch isn't the same as defending the accusee. Your point mainly lies on the fact that RM doesn't actually read games and that you would rather lynch scum than policy lynch - you are actually detached from his play here.

BBT considers him scum but prefers to lynch someone more scum. I don't see the same motivation here.

Come on. Are people reading this shit??

This is getting ridiculous now.

Bold A - I have very clearly stated my position on Random.

Bold B - I do not, and have never, considered Random to be scum this game.

I'm getting frustrated with this now.

Well you and me both brother, because it looks VERY different from where I am (I've underlined the relevant part for you) :

Town

RC

Darklight

Collatz
CKD
Llama
Alchemist
Mnumonic

Random

Marcrell
Otolia
Reubus

Scum

And im concerned that you say there is at least one scum in RM and RS and then passively defend RM a few posts later.

I don't see a case that makes sense on Otolia. I do see all of my scum reads attacking them though.

There are far scummier people in this game right now than Random.

I feel that should be obvious.

Lynching Random achieves nothing. As someone just stated, it's a very easy wagon for scum to jump on and a low information lynch.

So you deny saying DLA was your strongest town-read, and you're right he was (may still is) your 2nd strongest.
As for your position on RM,

it was not as clear cut

as you make it to be and your indignation is pisplaced because I'm fucking right. I'm calling you out on facts I can prove and have done so numerous times. Yet your only defense is to scream that I'm scum for misrepresenting you - which is, again, not so clear as you make it out to be.

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I'm sorry CKD, but I don't find the link you mention. I've tried to look rapidly through your ISO and didn't find it. I don't think you're lying, though that could be a great gambit as scum. I just can't find it. Nonetheless meta is iffy at best. I could totally envision using his notoriously bad rep to divert a train D1 or at least stall for time.

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Spoiler: Mnemonic last post

Otolia, is BBT scum?

If Randomidget is/flips scum, then very likely.

In a vacuum without RM acting scummy as well and him defending him (or whatever he wants to call his relationship with RM so that I'm not accused once again of "misrepresenting him" as I'm getting tired of that) ? Perhaps not as much. His links to RM are scummy, to me as well. His relationship with DLA less so and I don't understand what he sees in his interaction with you. Still I would take him to the gallows at this point of the game.

Oh also VOTE: UNVOTE I need to reread before I place a vote on anyone besides this RVS one.

God, that was a shitty post. The game started more than a week ago and you've only realized that you need to get out of RVS ?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

OK, let's take this a step at a time.

So you deny saying DLA was your strongest town-read, and you're right he was (may still is) your 2nd strongest.

Show me where I denied I was town-reading DLA.

[Otolia]

OK, let's take this a step at a time.

So you deny saying DLA was your strongest town-read, and you're right he was (may still is) your 2nd strongest.

Show me where I denied I was town-reading DLA.

That link is for DLA...who is not my strongest scum-read and never has been. Though it does disprove your theory that I'm buddying him, so, there's that.

You didn't deny you were town-reading DLA. You said he isn't your strongest. Which is true because he was your 2nd strongest. You're fucking nitpicking like a madman. Why can't you admit you are wrong. I just proved it right fucking there.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I've spent more than enough time on this discussion, I'm done.

[Otolia]

Yeah, you do that.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

VC please Mod?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

EBWOP

VC please Mod?

[Randomnamechange]

Collatz continues to OMGUS me. My votes is staying.
Also

dayvig: CKD

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Random, reads please?

[wgeurts]

EBWOP

VC please Mod?

Will do so once I've got PC access, expect one in the coming 4-6 hours.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Thank you

[curiouskarmadog]

I'm sorry CKD, but I don't find the link you mention. I've tried to look rapidly through your ISO and didn't find it. I don't think you're lying, though that could be a great gambit as scum. I just can't find it. Nonetheless meta is iffy at best. I could totally envision using his notoriously bad rep to divert a train D1 or at least stall for time.

except I started the day doing the exact opposite of that. sooo....that still leaves me with why do you want to bother looking it up. what is the point?

[curiouskarmadog]

Collatz continues to OMGUS me. My votes is staying.
Also

dayvig: CKD

why dont you just prove me wrong then???! fucking do something!

[BlueBloodedToffee]

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Reubus

Alchemist, reads please?

[Otolia]

Collatz continues to OMGUS me. My votes is staying.
Also

dayvig: CKD

What ?! The vig-kill are night based in C9++. What the fuck do you think you're doing ?