Mini 1653: A Game of Pokes - game over

[Slandaar]

I think I can predict the future and Kelbris is scum with Monkey/Oka town.

Just like I said a few pages back in not so obvious terms.

[Formerfish]

I didn't see you backing my vote on Kelbris when I was there? I think you were to busy being distracted by shiny things.

[Slandaar]

It was a dilemma.

Is the Fish bussing Kelbris?

I think so.

You did approximately nothing after voting Kelbris to push the wagon.

[Slandaar]

But where we are now Monkey is the one who must die for that mix up. I could be wrong... but eh. Feel like he just got confused.

[Slandaar]

Ehhhhhh

I was like maybe I will vote (hammer) Oka with his read change on Monkey but then I was like nah.

Fishie putting people at L-1 stealthily

VOTE: Monkey

[Wickedestjr]

Monkey seems town from the experience I have with him. His style is frustrating and I don't particularly like it, but it doesn't make him scum. I don't think that he slipped anymore than Massive did, which wasn't a slip either.

Have you ever played with Monkeyscum? I've been scum buddies with him before and iirc, players got frustrated with him. I don't think meta can explain the big mistake that he has made here.

I completely agree with Saul and havingfitz in that the Oka wagoners look scummier than the Monkey wagoners...

I feel good about this lynch.

[Wickedestjr]

It's all up to havingfitz. Oka and Monkey should probably claim.

[OkaPoka]

vt

[Formerfish]

Ehhhhhh

I was like maybe I will vote (hammer) Oka with his read change on Monkey but then I was like nah.

Fishie putting people at L-1 stealthily

VOTE: Monkey

I didn't realize it was that stealthy when like a post before someone mentioned they were both at l-2...

[massive]

If you have an issue with this bandwagon, please criticize the reasoning and not the way in which it formed (which I see nothing wrong with).

That's a smokescreen. At T-minus 18 hours, as a townie, you should be focusing on the available options and ensuring there IS a lynch. Just because you got lucky and had two other people jump aboard (FA who voted at the same time as you and who couldn't have read your case, Oka who is voting only out of self-preservation) doesn't change the fact that you could have just as easily hung that vote out there uselessly and had no one join your cause, thereby possibly avoiding lynching ... someone.

If you want a new bandwagon, start tomorrow, when we can adequately discuss the options.

all have scum equity

Single white large male seeking Captain Picard "What is this bullcrap?" GIF ... must like long walks in dimly-lit alleys, actually hunting scum rather than using phrases from Mafia Banking 101 ...

[havingfitz]

VOTE: Monkey

[Wickedestjr]

That's a smokescreen. At T-minus

18 hours

, as a townie, you should be focusing on the available options and ensuring there IS a lynch. Just because you got lucky and had two other people jump aboard (

FA who voted at the same time as you and who couldn't have read your case

, Oka who is voting only out of self-preservation) doesn't change the fact that you could have just as easily hung that vote out there uselessly and had no one join your cause, thereby possibly avoiding lynching ... someone.

Firstly, as a townie, I'm not going to sit back and relax when I don't think the right player is getting lynched. Sorry, not happening. Kelbris lynch would have been satisfactory, but Monkey was much scummier.

Secondly, I promised that I would switch my vote if there wasn't any Monkey support by a particular time. I would never let the game go to no-lynch, especially on day 1. I understand that this game is in desperate need of information, I would never cast a vote that I feel lacks potential.

Thirdly, I think it's very rare for a game to go no-lynch on day 1 by accident. I believe we had

26 hours, not 18

at the time I casted my vote for Monkey. It's not difficult to create a bandwagon in that amount of time.

Fourthly, small other correction: FA voted Monkey 15 minutes after I posted my case. Not before or at the same time. I don't think it's a coincidence that FA voted Monkey around the time I made my case.

[Wickedestjr]

EBWOP: It's also not like my point against Monkey is brand new. I've been communicating with him about this pretty much since he replaced in.

[Wickedestjr]

VOTE: Monkey

We had nine hours left, could have at least waited for a claim...

...oh well, I wouldn't have believed a power role claim anyway.

[vikingfan]

VOTE: Monkey

We had nine hours left, could have at least waited for a claim...

...oh well, I wouldn't have believed a power role claim anyway.

Did you see fitz's earlier post about how he had RL tonight? So he had to post when he did to break the deadlock because he won't be on for the rest of the evening.

[vikingfan]

OK...well so much for the random Idgit wagon

I'm more suspect of Oka than I am of Monkey. That said...I'm more suspect of the players on the Oka wagon than I am of those on Monkey. i.e. most of my stronger town reads are on Monkey while my top two suspects (easy though they may be????) are on Oka.

I'll check back in in a few hours and will move my vote (to where tbd) before 6pm est. Would like to hear Slandaar's thoughts before potentially closing the thread down. After 6pm I will be offline the rest of the day.

This post to be exact.

Monkey, mind telling us what you are? Or I suppose we could just wait for the mod...

[MonkeyMan576]

Vanilla Town.

[Iknal]

As it got closer to deadline I should have made a vote count. But working good friday just made me so exhausted I went to bed as soon as I got home. Sorry guys.

THATS A LYNCH!

Vote count, flip to come.

[Iknal]

Vote Count 1.13

OkaPoka(6): massive, Monkeyman576, Kelbris, Aristophanes, randomidget, Formerfish
Monkeyman576(7): FA_Q2, Wickedestjr, OkaPoka, Saul Goode, vikingfan, Slandaar, havingfitz

Not voting:

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

MONKEYMAN576 HAS BEEN LYNCHED!

[Iknal]

As the day wore on, people were getting restless, discussions were going nowhere. People got out of the arguing, only to be replaced as more and more people weighed in on the topic. As the sun started to set though people seemed rather divided into two camps. Team Oka is scum and Team Monkey is scum. In the end you all lay the decision on havingfitz.

"We are evenly split, you have to be the one to pull the trigger," you cry.

He pulls the trigger, and Monkeyman576 is the target.

As you search his house, his clothes, everything you can trying to find any shred of evidence that he was the one to commit the heinous crimes seen in the town hall this morning you find...




Nothing, Nada. Zip.

Monkeyman576,

Vanilla Townie,

has died. Day 1 is over. Night two beings now. Deadline is 07/04/2015 12:00 UTC +10.
(expired on 2015-04-07 12:00:00)

[Iknal]

You wake up in the morning and head to the town hall to continue the discussions you were having yesterday. When you arrive in the great hall you spot everyone else huddled at the back, as you rush in to discover the cause of the commotion you realise it is Slandaar's corpse.

Slandaar, Town Cop

has died.

Day 2 begins now and ends on 28/4/15 1900 UTC+10.
(expired on 2015-04-28 19:00:00)

And sorry guys, RL things got in the way of deadline.

[massive]

I want to go back to how this Monkey wagon even started in the first place, because it's going to drive me nuts.

Unvote.

kelbris- The scummiest of the three for me. The sacrificial-acceptance post is pretty null, don't fall for it. Oka started playing that card first. Even if he's town, this is still a great strategic choice for the reasons previously stated.

At this point in time you state that Kelbris is the scummiest of your scum reads. Why, at this point in time, do you not vote for Kelbris? There are two votes on him (Fishie, Oka) and NO ONE is voting for Monkey (until your preview reveals that FA just did). He is the counterwagon you want and can probably run up. So why avoid that? Yes I realize you "wouldn't let a no-lynch happen" but I just cannot understand for the life of me how STARTING a new wagon at T-X hours (your vote was Thurs 10pm according to my boardclock, deadline was at Fri 5pm) when you have half-a-wagon started on one of your actual scumreads.

Unless it's you / Oka / Kelbris, in which case you played masterfully and I feel your pain.

Now that you know Monkey was town, how do you feel about your case on him?

[Formerfish]

Massive, so you are thinking that Monkey was a cc to Oka? Do you think Oka was bussing Kelbris?

[OkaPoka]

VOTE: kelbris
choo choo

[havingfitz]

<crickets>

Not sure what Slandaar's death or Monkey's flip do to my D1 reads. At the moment I would say I have the same suspicions as I did yesterday.

And I know some people consider this kind of comment a scumtell but I can't help it....that sucks Slandaar was the cop. [nk spec]I don't know if he dropped a tell or hint somewhere or if scum just got lucky. He could have been targeted just based on experience level also.[/nk spec]

I'll try to get a decent post in in the next day or so.