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Boonskiies · Post Post #350 (ISO) » Sat Apr 04, 2015 7:55 am

In post 348, Save The Dragons wrote:Pause

...that's the post you hate the most by Delta?

Unpause

Hold on, I'm catching up still, haha.

Boonskiies · Post Post #351 (ISO) » Sat Apr 04, 2015 7:57 am

In post 291, DeltaWave wrote:
In post 289, Save The Dragons wrote:
In post 287, DeltaWave wrote:I don't think you have legitimate reads. I think you're making it up.

I feel like your read on me is A) wrong B) terrible and C) ignores things I've said.

Alright, fine. Let me hit you in the balls with logic so hard you'll be picking fragments of your own testicles out of your teeth for weeks. Thor is supposedly your top scumread but you've done nothing but hedge on him so far (and complain about his attitude.) Your read came totally out of your ass, which is good because now there's more room in there for my foot.

See, there's stuff from Delta that I do like. Like this.

I mean, a lot of his stuff isn't alignment indicative in my opinion, and I feel he's just posting because he wants to post. Which I do A LOT as town. It keeps me in the game.

Boonskiies · Post Post #352 (ISO) » Sat Apr 04, 2015 7:57 am

I'm not saying he's town, but there's a reason I didn't vote him over Trojan.

ISO · Post Post #353 (ISO) » Sat Apr 04, 2015 8:00 am

I actually more hate the wording, you basically said you hate a post where he finally provides content to suss and point out only the readslist as bad.

I'm also confused...you think Delta is posting because he wants to post? But we've been playing for a week and he's only really shown up to the table yesterday.

Boonskiies · Post Post #354 (ISO) » Sat Apr 04, 2015 8:04 am

But that posts he comes in and actually does post. Anyone can make a post giving analysis. Anyone. I actually don't like it when people have so much analysis this early in the game. It's easily just summarizing what has happened, which anyone could do. I don't like the whole post in general that Delta did, not just the reads list. That's just what I commented on.

ISO · Post Post #355 (ISO) » Sat Apr 04, 2015 8:05 am

In post 343, Thor665 wrote:Nothing much. I think that's all I need as a scum case - it's pretty darn valid and also seems to have got you to sudden try to vote me - which looks scum reactionary rather than town deciding I'm right and voting me (illogical) or that I'm wrong and voting me (which hardly shows scum intent from me, since I'm not even voting you - making your case empty and weird)

...you do realize I was waiting days for you to come back so you could say something. Yeah I know you were on V/LA but I was waiting for anything from you to show you were town and I finally grew tired of waiting. My vote wasn't sudden, it was impatience.

Do you refer to you being right about me being dumb? If so, yes the first is illogical. If you're town, is the second seriously unwarranted? Call it arrogance on my part but if you look at me and after one opinion think I'm dumb then I think you're full of crap. Your responses to my inquiries on this front did not wow me. Hence I think you could be scum hard at work trying to discredit me. Is that the case? I don't know for certain, I kind of wish you didn't V/LA so I could have gotten a better opinion on you sooner.

ISO · Post Post #356 (ISO) » Sat Apr 04, 2015 8:06 am

In post 354, Boonskiies wrote:I don't like the whole post in general that Delta did, not just the reads list. That's just what I commented on.

Okay, well now I know I guess

ISO · Post Post #357 (ISO) » Sat Apr 04, 2015 8:07 am

God who is this fucker that has 75 posts and claims he's on V/LA I'm going to murder him

jasonT1981 · Post Post #358 (ISO) » Sat Apr 04, 2015 8:10 am

In post 328, Trojan Horse wrote:
In post 317, Fenchurch wrote:Trojan - earlier you mentioned that Tammy expected to be able to get a good read on jason. Has she read the game recently, and if so, what are her current thoughts?

She's following the game. She's still trying to figure Jason out.

It's weird you are still trying to work me out, and the fact you are hanging on for Tammy's opinion seems like you are stalling not wanting to say anything incase it derails the lynch, also if Tammy has experience with me, I (and this is backed up by Zach) would expect her to have something already this deep into the game or even something to say at least.

I brought up the point earlier of no viable counter wagon (at the time) It would heavily suggest 1) scum is already on it or 2) they are happy to just sit back and relax without anyone having to provide alternative options as to them, and others it would seem the lynch is a cert and nothing else has to be done.

Nexus · Post Post #359 (ISO) » Sat Apr 04, 2015 9:14 am

Votecount 1.7:

jasonT1981 (4)-

Thor665, Micc, Fenchurch, Trojan Horse

DeltaWave (1)-

SleepyKrew

Boonskiies (1)-

jasonT1981

Egg (1)-

sthar8

Malakittens (1)-

Pieguyn

Save the Dragons (1)-

Deltawave

Thor665 (1)-

Save The Dragons

Trojan Horse (1)-

Boonskiies,

Not Voting (2)-

Egg, Malakittens,

The deadline is at 6pm on Tuesday 14th April 2015. With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Trojan Horse · Post Post #360 (ISO) » Sat Apr 04, 2015 9:53 am

In post 358, jasonT1981 wrote:
In post 328, Trojan Horse wrote:
In post 317, Fenchurch wrote:Trojan - earlier you mentioned that Tammy expected to be able to get a good read on jason. Has she read the game recently, and if so, what are her current thoughts?

She's following the game. She's still trying to figure Jason out.

It's weird you are still trying to work me out, and the fact you are hanging on for Tammy's opinion seems like you are stalling not wanting to say anything incase it derails the lynch, also if Tammy has experience with me, I (and this is backed up by Zach) would expect her to have something already this deep into the game or even something to say at least.

I am not hanging on for Tammy's opinion. You're my top scum pick (though less so than at the start), so I'm voting for you. I only brought it up because Fenchurch asked about it. As for Tammy not yet having a read on you: I just got a message from her, and she apologized for losing track of our games due to busyness. I'm sure she'll have a more solid read soon.

In post 358, jasonT1981 wrote:I brought up the point earlier of no viable counter wagon (at the time) It would heavily suggest 1) scum is already on it or 2) they are happy to just sit back and relax without anyone having to provide alternative options as to them, and others it would seem the lynch is a cert and nothing else has to be done.

I'm considering that. The thing is, we still have 10 days left until the deadline. If you are scum, I wouldn't be all that surprised if your teammates decided to let the wagon be for now, and wait for a townie to propose an alternative.

Lastly: Jason, Oversoul wants to know if you spent any tokens for this game.

Thor665 · Post Post #361 (ISO) » Sat Apr 04, 2015 9:59 am

In post 344, Save The Dragons wrote:
In post 343, Thor665 wrote:I don't think it is and it appears to reasonably align with some of my stated issues with you.

Examples other than my case against you, please.

Other than my evidence against you I do not have evidence against you - you are correct.

In post 349, Save The Dragons wrote:You can still answer the first question if you ignore my facetiousness.

So it was a handjob question.
Okay - well, in that case, it would take us back to my already stated commentary - that you think I'm lynchable because you think I'm disagreeable, and disagreeable players are able to be lynched off attitude over case.

In post 349, Save The Dragons wrote:Again I see a disconnect with "STD's a big noob" and "STD can successfully make me look bad"

I never claimed you would be able to do it.
I did claim that I think that's what you're trying to do.
There is a difference.

In post 349, Save The Dragons wrote:Do you really think that scum often successfully attack targets that attack them and bring that football down to a touchdown?

Yes.

In post 349, Save The Dragons wrote: No, I just made myself look really Smurfy cuz Delta attacked me and I reflexively voted him. Some team members are suspicious of you but no one's gone out and voted you, no one's been like "great show, STD."

I agree, you made a bad move if you're scum.
Does that make you town for some reason that I'm unaware of?

In post 349, Save The Dragons wrote:I'm having trouble understanding what makes you think you're so lynchable and why you thought someone could think that.

If you think I'm unlynchable - why are you voting me regardless of if you think I'm scum or not?
Answer: you don't think I'm unlynchable.
Thus - proving my point; you think I'm lynchable.

Now, what you're *really* trying to argue is how *easy* you think I would be to lynch, and how easy I think you think I would be easy to lynch.
But you're not arguing that.
You're trying to act like the lone hero againstthe big bad.
Hint: because it's a David and Goliath story - and you're trying to paint me as the bad guy to get me lynched off emotion and not case...which is what I'm claiming you're doing.
Any questions?

ISO · Post Post #362 (ISO) » Sat Apr 04, 2015 10:11 am

In post 343, Thor665 wrote:
In post 341, Save The Dragons wrote:Where is Delta's push on me flawed?

I don't think it is and it appears to reasonably align with some of my stated issues with you.

In post 361, Thor665 wrote:
In post 344, Save The Dragons wrote:
Examples other than my case against you, please.

Other than my evidence against you I do not have evidence against you - you are correct.

...so am I correct in saying you think that Delta's push on me isn't flawed, but only that parts where he attacks me for attacking you?

ISO · Post Post #363 (ISO) » Sat Apr 04, 2015 10:32 am

I don't think you are impossible to lynch. I don't really know if I can do it so easily even if I'm right about you.

I'm treating lynchable as "easy to be lynched," not a 100% absolute black and white, which is where we are disconnecting now.

Fenchurch · Post Post #364 (ISO) » Sat Apr 04, 2015 11:13 am

I agree with a whole bunch of Thor's observations in #327, although I don't support the subsequent stuff on STDragons. To me STDragons' righteousness and indignation sounds more like town than scum.

In post 330, SleepyKrew wrote:That's untrue. I have placed exactly one vote so far. It was a pressure vote. No other votes yet because no scumreads yet. Does it normally take this long for me to get a scumread? Probably not.

You're right! I'm sorry I missed it, and I'm glad I found out about it now.

If you don't have scumreads, do you have townreads? Do you have reads?

Trojan Horse wrote:
In post 358, jasonT1981 wrote:It's weird you are still trying to work me out, and the fact you are hanging on for Tammy's opinion seems like you are stalling not wanting to say anything incase it derails the lynch, also if Tammy has experience with me, I (and this is backed up by Zach) would expect her to have something already this deep into the game or even something to say at least.

I am not hanging on for Tammy's opinion. You're my top scum pick (though less so than at the start), so I'm voting for you. I only brought it up because Fenchurch asked about it. As for Tammy not yet having a read on you: I just got a message from her, and she apologized for losing track of our games due to busyness. I'm sure she'll have a more solid read soon.

Why less so than at the start?
Does it bother you that jason seems to overblow and exaggerate everything that is posted about him?

SleepyKrew · Post Post #365 (ISO) » Sat Apr 04, 2015 11:19 am

In post 364, Fenchurch wrote:If you don't have scumreads, do you have townreads? Do you have reads?

Nope! I'm feeling pretty mentally checked out. I intend to do a nice thorough reread eventuality, but I don't know if that will happen D1. Have I mentioned how much I hate day ones?

Fenchurch · Post Post #366 (ISO) » Sat Apr 04, 2015 11:41 am

In post 365, SleepyKrew wrote:Nope! I'm feeling pretty mentally checked out. I intend to do a nice thorough reread eventuality, but I don't know if that will happen D1. Have I mentioned how much I hate day ones?

My method is pretty much:
a) read what person is doing
b) think 'can I see myself doing this as town?'
c) think 'can I see myself doing this as scum?'
d) draw conclusions

Also, votechart. All the way votechart.

Spoiler:

Do you prefer playing as scum or town?
If you had a one-time-only dayvig shot right now, who would you shoot, if anyone?

SleepyKrew · Post Post #367 (ISO) » Sat Apr 04, 2015 11:48 am

oh my god I've never seen a votechart before
Usually scum.
Probably jason.

jasonT1981 · Post Post #368 (ISO) » Sat Apr 04, 2015 12:27 pm

In post 360, Trojan Horse wrote:Lastly: Jason, Oversoul wants to know if you spent any tokens for this game.

Team does not want to discuss token distribution that is all I am saying on this

Thor665 · Post Post #369 (ISO) » Sat Apr 04, 2015 12:38 pm

In post 362, Save The Dragons wrote:
In post 343, Thor665 wrote:
In post 341, Save The Dragons wrote:Where is Delta's push on me flawed?

I don't think it is and it appears to reasonably align with some of my stated issues with you.

In post 361, Thor665 wrote:
In post 344, Save The Dragons wrote:
Examples other than my case against you, please.

Other than my evidence against you I do not have evidence against you - you are correct.

...so am I correct in saying you think that Delta's push on me isn't flawed, but only that parts where he attacks me for attacking you?

There is actually nothing in what you quoted that has me saying what you're concluding that I mean.

In post 363, Save The Dragons wrote:I don't think you are impossible to lynch. I don't really know if I can do it so easily even if I'm right about you.

I'm treating lynchable as "easy to be lynched," not a 100% absolute black and white, which is where we are disconnecting now.

No, where we're disconnecting is you saying that it's unreasonable for me to suggest that you believe I am lynchable. I see nothing in your actions to suggest I should have perceived otherwise - yet you're acting like I'm crazy sauce for thinking so. Feel free to define it as easy or as difficult as I wish - but address the actual point I'm making, which is not the definition, it is the concept I have presented.

In post 364, Fenchurch wrote:I agree with a whole bunch of Thor's observations in #327, although I don't support the subsequent stuff on STDragons. To me STDragons' righteousness and indignation sounds more like town than scum.

Eh, let's see what Jason flips and then we can debate that. Nacho agrees with you though, so, meh.

In post 368, jasonT1981 wrote:
In post 360, Trojan Horse wrote:Lastly: Jason, Oversoul wants to know if you spent any tokens for this game.

Team does not want to discuss token distribution that is all I am saying on this

jasonT1981 · Post Post #370 (ISO) » Sat Apr 04, 2015 12:41 pm

In post 369, Thor665 wrote:Eh, let's see what Jason flips and then we can debate that. Nacho agrees with you though, so, meh.

It is very interesting you are willing to push this without consideration to anything else and are determined to force this through

ISO · Post Post #371 (ISO) » Sat Apr 04, 2015 12:57 pm

In post 369, Thor665 wrote:There is actually nothing in what you quoted that has me saying what you're concluding that I mean.

Okay then.

So, Thor, about that Delta push. Why is it not flawed, ignoring for now the part where he didn't like my push on you.

In post 369, Thor665 wrote:No, where we're disconnecting is you saying that it's unreasonable for me to suggest that you believe I am lynchable. I see nothing in your actions to suggest I should have perceived otherwise - yet you're acting like I'm crazy sauce for thinking so. Feel free to define it as easy or as difficult as I wish - but address the actual point I'm making, which is not the definition, it is the concept I have presented.

Crazy sauce?

It's hard to address the points when you're treating it as if I'm saying that you are impossible to lynch when I am treating it as if I'm saying you are unlikely to be lynch.

I concede that my wording was unclear but I don't really have anything to say other than if you consider my wordage as I mean it your points about me saying it's impossible to lynch you don't mean anything since I'm not saying that.

SleepyKrew · Post Post #372 (ISO) » Sat Apr 04, 2015 1:04 pm

Eh my vote's useless right now.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: jason

ISO · Post Post #373 (ISO) » Sat Apr 04, 2015 1:06 pm

In post 361, Thor665 wrote:Now, what you're *really* trying to argue is how *easy* you think I would be to lynch, and how easy I think you think I would be easy to lynch.
But you're not arguing that.

Like you literally are saying that's what I'm arguing but not actually arguing it.

And I'm saying, no I am actually arguing that.

If there's something I'm missing in particular that is irrelevant to that point, please alert me.

Plain and simple I think you're scum trying to discredit me, trying to appear like some big damn hero right out of the gate. When some guy tries to contest this or present a viewpoint contrary to your own, you proceed to attack them. When confronted further, I find your answers to be suspect, I find your rebuttal to be dismissive, my spidey sense feels like you're trying to be careful with what you say while being a bit obtuse. I don't actually care how lynchable or unlynchable you are, I'm pointing out that as scum I am, from my point of view, making things difficult for me. That's my opinion. If I'm right, woo, I'll take that as confirmation I'm not so dumb after all and if I'm wrong, whoops, guess I shouldn't get so distracted when someone insults me.

I suppose at some point I should just stop trying to argue towniness and just start thinking about how you've handled this conversation.

Thor665 · Post Post #374 (ISO) » Sat Apr 04, 2015 1:17 pm

In post 370, jasonT1981 wrote:
In post 369, Thor665 wrote:Eh, let's see what Jason flips and then we can debate that. Nacho agrees with you though, so, meh.

It is very interesting you are willing to push this without consideration to anything else and are determined to force this through

What do you think I need to be considering that I am not?

In post 371, Save The Dragons wrote:So, Thor, about that Delta push. Why is it not flawed, ignoring for now the part where he didn't like my push on you.

What do you find flawed and why?
I'm not going to go through his entire case and justify it as 'not flawed'. Justify it as flawed, or explain the flaws you see, and I'll be willing to explain why those issues don't bug me - but otherwise my answer is 'I find his case not flawed'. I don't see a flaw as part of it...so...?

In post 373, Save The Dragons wrote:Like you literally are saying that's what I'm arguing but not actually arguing it.

And I'm saying, no I am actually arguing that.

So if you agree that the only question is how easy I do or don't think you consider me to be to lynch...what is your issue?
I understand your issue if you think i think that you find me unlynchable - I don't get any issue if you think that I think you think I am lynchable...which you appear to now be agreeing to.
What's the beef if we both agree that you consider me lynchable and the only issue is "how easy" we suspect the other one thinks it would be?

In post 373, Save The Dragons wrote:Plain and simple I think you're scum trying to discredit me, trying to appear like some big damn hero right out of the gate

Okay?

In post 373, Save The Dragons wrote: When some guy tries to contest this or present a viewpoint contrary to your own, you proceed to attack them.

I agree, I hold beliefs and defend them.
So...I'm scum for that?
Or is this commentary as empty as it appears?

In post 373, Save The Dragons wrote: When confronted further, I find your answers to be suspect, I find your rebuttal to be dismissive

I agree, I am dismissive of your answers.

In post 373, Save The Dragons wrote:I don't actually care how lynchable or unlynchable you are, I'm pointing out that as scum I am, from my point of view, making things difficult for me. That's my opinion. If I'm right, woo, I'll take that as confirmation I'm not so dumb after all and if I'm wrong, whoops, guess I shouldn't get so distracted when someone insults me.

Yes, i agree that is the concept you are trying to sell to suggest you are not scum.
I am countering with the concept that I *don't* think you thought it would be this hard.
I understand that this is the question - what I don't get is how it makes me suspect for not believing that you are intentionally taking a hard path because you're town and/or wouldn't have been able to spot it as a hard path/are not likely to slip up as scum.

In post 373, Save The Dragons wrote:I suppose at some point I should just stop trying to argue towniness and just start thinking about how you've handled this conversation.

I agree with that - it would be a more townish response.