New York 180 (Endgame)

[elusive]

I'm pretty sure that no scum could go through my and MB's ISO and not come out thinking town especially with the crumbing meta. Therefore, therefore.

[elusive]

I'm still waiting for the obvi town question to ask that would help map out kills and possible misses etc.

[T S O]

Sigh.

What nights?

[elusive]

N1- N3

I assumed that due to my being against every lynch that scum would target me early on.

I'm not sure if mafia or etc attacked me since I don't get any info. However, this should clear up that it was someone or something else that was blocking scum today. I didn't want to out my role because scum could be confused but it doesn't matter anymore.

[T S O]

Can we talk about Ozgin for a bit?

[dragonspawn]

Can we talk about Ozgin for a bit?

sounds like a plan to me.

[elusive]

Ozgin replaced House yes? (http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p6587466)

House voted pisskop RVS and then Aeronaut.

I don't think two mafia teams are possible? House defends dragonspawn.

He takes issue with my reads here: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p6604470 and pressures a bit.

Switches from kitz to Aeronaut a few times, why?
Post# (http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p6614049) looks good too since hard push on Aeronaut

OK so I thought House replace out for other reasons but instead it turns out he replaced out because of issues with rules.

I guess my initial thoughts were that Ozgin couldn't be scum because House would never replace out of a scum role but he replaced out because of drama so therefore someone should ISO Ozgin and compare and contrast.

From the above, I don't really know house's scum meta but would he hard bus his own (Aeronaut) on day one?

Of course, GM not being killed by TSO if he vig'ed her speaks to scum GM since town's doctors are gone and that leaves scum doctor or roleblocker. If GM is scum neighborizer and Aeronaut was her obvious buddy, then are SW and Ozgin the opposite or town equivalents?

Are there too many PRs? Or I guess there would have to be a mafia balance to everything so its possible but then mafia hasn't been using their PRs well? Maybe they have a role cop kind of equivalent and therefore idk.

I feel like the people who got NS's role slip and tried to cover it up are lean town as mafia would probably pretend not to get it.

[goodmorning]

for the longest time I though you were the vig and I'm not the only one

This is why elusive is SK. It's not only the BP claim though that does help.

Gm why didn't you neighorize anyone again?

Because I didn't feel there was much point.

Now elusive is changing claim again? GROSS.

WOW THIS FIGHT

SW: You've been absent in ways which aren't related to V/LA (which is a thing that I said like Yesterday, sooooo....)
e: I was V/LA, fuck off
SW: bitch
e: no u

Can you guys not, please? There's no particular reason to be angry.

Also tbqh I probably wouldn't tell anyone else on this playerlist to fuck off except tso because I know he can deal with it.

@elusive: A claimed Vig is a really obvious target to block, js.

[Marquis]

elu if you think asking about your attitude in a finished game is going to make me change my mind

[Shinobi]

So.

Uh.

Hi...

[dragonspawn]

Oh yeah. You are in this game.

[Shinobi]

Astute observation.

[goodmorning]

The idea of your wagon got dropped too fast and it bothers me but for lack of it being discussed, what do you think of elusive?

[Kitz]

Because I didn't feel there was much point.

VOTE: Goodmorning

I'm sorry but the paranoia has overflown.
By not expanding, you make sure to keep to a "certain group of players".

If I were you, I'd continue with more players to prove it's not just a scum team and that anyone can be part of.

[elusive]

Yeah, GM sk makes no sense and doesn't account for the kills or lack of them so nope. My claim stands pretty well according to my ISO and crumbs and therefore anyone who is actually disregarding ISO or actual analysis is reaching to a degree that town doesn't need to. 3 shot commuter is my role and also pretty clear from my posts, people assumed their own things which I had no job to clarify since the people who got it all were lynched and town.

Marquis, my level of care for what you think is astoundingly... non-existent.

I'm not sure what to make of TSO's attempted vig of GM and nothing happening as in no mafia death or town deaths. For there to be no town deaths, we don't have any doctors so someone else must be doing something? Roleblocker or bus driver? IT can't be that scum only have one action.

[elusive]

I also wonder about Shinobi and how unlike FAQ2 he got off the lynch wagon. Probably someone should ISO him?

VOTE: Goodmorning

[ika]

I'm reading up on the dram now. I just got home from work. I will have a ruling on this momentarily

[ika]

Ok so I read up on all of this twice. Heres what I am going to do.

This thread will remain locked for the time I'm asleep (which is basicly after this post) to give everyone a moment to cool down and take a break.

On the drama issue in general: Insults and snide comments are part of a game, if you yell at someone or insult them in a general manner (fuck of for example) then its a play attack. There are no rule being broken. Calling someone a bitch however is where i will start to draw lines depending on context. Normally I would just replace/modkill one/both of players and be done with it but finding replacements at a time like this is honestly more of a hassle then just doing something like this.

So if any players have any concerns about this PM me and i will respond, I will be up for about an hr or so.

But let me make this clear: If someone starts to bring drama again, do not respond, PM me directly and i will deal with it.

Also, I will not be giving this time back. you guys have more then enough time

Do remember I can be pmmed as well and I am here a lot polishing my setups and posting in my own games. It's not a bother.

~Titus

[ika]

goodmorning: kitzs, elusive
elusive: marquis, shinobi, silverwolf

[ika]

ok now that i got some sleep, im going to reopen the thread and let the game continue.

But let me remind everyone that maifa is a game. Shit is going to happen, and while i do think attacks are very much fair game in attempts to get reactions, do try to keep it civilish. Not everyone has the same "tough skin" as everyone else

[Cheetory6]

Come midnight tomorrow I will be free from Project Hell.
q.q
I'll get my head into this game after that.

[T S O]

Also tbqh I probably wouldn't tell anyone else on this playerlist to fuck off except tso because I know he can deal with it.

<3

[dragonspawn]

Tell me to f. Off all you want. Doesn't phase me.

[SilverWolf]

Tell me to f. Off all you want. Doesn't phase me.

Can I call you a bitch?

[dragonspawn]

You can call me anything though I'm not sure my wife would approve:)