Twin Trap (Game Over) [TM2015]

[Quilford]

MINA

MINA HOLD ME

I'M SO UNSURE

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HOW DID EVERYONE GET SO SCUMMY IN THE PAST 7 PAGES

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IS IT THAT NOBODY'S REALLY PUTTING ANY EFFORT INTO THIS GAME BECAUSE IT'S THE SMALLEST ONE

[EspeciallyTheLies]

Hey ETL, planning on providing literally any reasoning for all the reads you just stated?

are you kidding me..... all i've been doing is explaining my thought process.

you don't like it, lynch me.

[Mina]

I had the opposite impression--since tmost people look really, really town now? I still think scum are in {Alchemist, serra, ETL, BPC} (and ETL and BPC have a few town notes). I'm just trying to pin down a reason to strongly townread ONE of them.

But *holds you*

[Quilford]

Where did the BBmolla read come from?

Why did you think Alchemist was town from his early posts

Okay wait hold up what the fuck

[Quilford]

Oh that was serra you're referring to the early posts of.

Okay. Where did the BBmolla read come from?

Why would Patrick being first on the wagon have any bearing on his alignment?

What are your team's reasons for literally any of the reads you've said they hold?

[Quilford]

I had the opposite impression--since tmost people look really, really town now? I still think scum are in {Alchemist, serra, ETL, BPC} (and ETL and BPC have a few town notes). I'm just trying to pin down a reason to strongly townread ONE of them.

But *holds you*

I have tiny doubts blooming about BBmolla and Patrick too ;-;

[Quilford]

I need Quilford

Quilford come

please

I'm here bb

please do something super town

please please please

can you update me on your Alchemist read?

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w/ reasons

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Mina you've played with Patrick before yeah?

What convinces you he's town?

[EspeciallyTheLies]

Where did the BBmolla read come from?

Explained this already. You are not reading. The fake hammer and subsequent posts from him about it were pretty damn town.

Why did you think Alchemist was town from his early posts

Okay wait hold up what the fuck

what...

[Mina]

I explained my reasoning on Patrick before when he asked me why I wasn't paranoid of him, but now Molla and Patrick are practically confirmed town after the hammer+claim debacle last night. (Their absolute rage, the whole "let's treat this like chat Mafia thing," etc.) On that note, to ETL:

What do you think of [Patrick's] reaction to Mara?

[EspeciallyTheLies]

Oh that was serra you're referring to the early posts of.

Okay. Where did the BBmolla read come from?

Answered. Again.

Why would Patrick being first on the wagon have any bearing on his alignment?

It's a persistent wagon. It's been on the entire fucking day. You think a partner is going to vote park on their buddy ... the whole fucking day.. when there are and have been other viable options at other points in the game? I don't think so. I just don't think so. Explain why you think it has no bearing.

What are your team's reasons for literally any of the reads you've said they hold?

I'll ask and get back to you.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

Patrick had a reaction to mara? If he did, it didn't stand out to me.

[Mina]

Mara, I know it seems crazy, but some of us are actually here trying to win this game as town while you're trolling us, entering yourself for team mafia and then claiming for no reason at all. I watched your painful play in maneuvre, where you pursued CDB all of day 1 while he tried to lynch scum who DIDN'T LOOK THAT DIFFERENT to alchemist right now, and then watched you fake claim a roleblock on him because you were that sure you were right. I thought maybe it was a one-off, but you do you actually do this in every game you play?

Seriously, what happens when I'm dead as town? You just sit on bb and do nothing?

Mara you are actually terrible at this game.

Mina, having seen her do it once, I think she has it in her.

Mara just got herself rated bottom of everyone's lists when the game is over.

I have to go to bed. It's past 2am and I haven't been so pissed off in a long time. If alchemist tries to use his last post to transition onto me, he should be killed with fire immediately.

[Mina]

And Patrick is generally very cool and level-headed, so for him, this is rage-posting.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

And Patrick is generally very cool and level-headed, so for him, this is rage-posting.

Ok. I've only ever played with him on skype mafia. What does the reaction tell you? That he's town? Because he "rage posted"?

[Quilford]

The fake hammer and subsequent posts from him about it were pretty damn town.

Okay sure, but why? What makes you so sure it wasn't a scum fake hammer? Just give me a few reasons why the fake hammer was town. I want to believe.

Why would Patrick being first on the wagon have any bearing on his alignment?

It's a persistent wagon. It's been on the entire fucking day. You think a partner is going to vote park on their buddy ... the whole fucking day.. when there are and have been other viable options at other points in the game? I don't think so. I just don't think so. Explain why you think it has no bearing.

Okay.

(1) you've changed your wording. Originally you said it was the fact that Patrick was first on the wagon that made him less likely to be scum. Now it's not that he's been first on the wagon, but the fact that he's been on the wagon for a very long time. My vote has been on Alchemist a mere 6 hours less than Patrick's. Does that make me less likely to be scum?

(2) You said "if alch were lynched and flipped town" you would look at me and Serra as opposed to Patrick. But your words above suggest that Patrick is less likely to be scum in the case of an Alchemist scum flip ("partner is going to voe park on their buddy"),

not

in the case of an Alchemist town flip. Reconcile this disparity.

[Mina]

@ETL: it's that he seems genuinely upset by Mara's claim, which I don't think he'd fake to that degree as scum given it's not his playstyle.

Bah, okay, we're just spamming the thread and going in circles now.

BPC AND POSSIBLY SERRA, HURRY UP.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

I don't think scum would bother with a fake hammer, and specifically don't think BBscum would bother with a fake hammer when it would be easier for him to lurk it out.

I don't even understand what you are misunderstanding here. Patrick is first on the wagon. I'm literally looking just at the damn wagon. The vote count from Zor's ISO. I even said so, and fucking quoted it. These are not different things. I don't think a buddy would be the first to vote their partner and stay on it to near lynch like that. What the fuck is your misunderstanding? Where is the "disparity"?

UNVOTE:

I don't even fucking care anymore. I'm irritated. I don't like having to explain myself multiple times despite using very simple words and even showing you exactly what I'm talking about.

Intent to hammer

[Quilford]

...

Mina do you understand the objections I'm raising in the second half of #743?

[EspeciallyTheLies]

@ETL: it's that he seems genuinely upset by Mara's claim, which I don't think he'd fake to that degree as scum given it's not his playstyle.

This is a meta argument that I have nothing to compare to. If you were partners with him, it would be very easy to manipulate those who haven't played with him much before, and considering he doesn't play that often, that would be most of us.

It doesn't even matter. Like I literally do not care right now.

Bah, okay, we're just spamming the thread and going in circles now.

BPC AND POSSIBLY SERRA, HURRY UP.

[Quilford]

I don't even understand what you are misunderstanding here. Patrick is first on the wagon. I'm literally looking just at the damn wagon. The vote count from Zor's ISO. I even said so, and fucking quoted it. These are not different things. I don't think a buddy would be the first to vote their partner and stay on it to near lynch like that. What the fuck is your misunderstanding? Where is the "disparity"?

I'm not misunderstanding anything. Read #743 again.

[Quilford]

Mina come here and tell me I'm making sense in #743