Open 591: C9++, The Lunatic Ayslum (Game Over: Town Win!)

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Essentially my town-read was based on a lack of scum tells. There wasn't anything in particular that screamed town, it was more based on the lack of anything screaming scum.

Shouldn't he be a null read, then? He hasn't done anything townie, he hasn't done anything scummy...that equals null, right?

I can get on board this Otolia wagon.

VOTE: Otolia

[DarkLightA]

Shouldn't he be a null read, then? He hasn't done anything townie, he hasn't done anything scummy...that equals null, right?

I usually work with more of an innocent-unless-proven-guilty strategy.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

DLA, you said you agreed with Alch that MD and Marcrell needed to be sorted toDay and you proceeded to vote for Otolia.

Why is that?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

To clarify, how does voting Otolia help you to sort Marcrell and MD?

[DarkLightA]

It doesn't.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

So how do you plan on sorting MD and Marcrell?

[curiouskarmadog]

Mod, I am not voting anyone yet.

[curiouskarmadog]

meh, lets remedy that though.

vote mnemonicdevice

[DarkLightA]

So how do you plan on sorting MD and Marcrell?

It would be based on iso.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

OK, you should go do that.

[Otolia]

This post by Otolia is mindblowing:

Spoiler: Otolia

You might be right ehoever daid collatz wasnt scummy. I just remembered that he reminds me of kelbris who ends up in similar situations.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: otolia

This here is pretty a pretty weak reason to change a vote, especially considering how much he believes I am scum.

You're not in my top 2 (Randommidget & BBT). When I voted you in D1 shortly before I did a re-read as an incentive to keep your promises to town. Considering there isn't a lot of people who can say that this game, it shouldn't worry you that much.

So why do you feel like I'm persecuting you ?

You might be right ehoever daid collatz wasnt scummy. I just remembered that he reminds me of kelbris who ends up in similar situations.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: otolia

Any reasoning behind your vote or did you just realize that because everyone is listing me as scum, I would potentially be an easy for a lowlife like you ?

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Otolia appears to be responding to the same post twice in two separate quotes(?) and also calls RandomMidget a "lowlife". Ad hominems don't help a case.

BBT, why did you start posting like RedCoyote ? I prefered when you were obnoxious and couldn't keep your words. At least that was easy to spot.

This is also strange. To my eyes it seems like Otolia is saying (if indirectly) that BBT's playstyle change makes him look less scummy, and labeling that as a negative thing. Has Otolia decided that BBT is scum regardless of future posts?

I'm gonna park my vote here for the time being as no one seems particularly keen on Alchemist yet.

VOTE: Otolia

Woah. I didn't thought you could be this nonsensical DLA. O.O

In your first post, I'm addressing 2 different persons and thus I quote 2 different part of the discussion. Oh and lowlife == scum. There was a misunderstanding that we cleared in #512. So your argument kinda falls flat there.

As for the second part, I already consider BBT scummy. I've posted why numerous times (hint: he contradicts himself all the time) but nobody seems interested in seeing him as anything but town. And yes when a change of playstyle of someone I consider scum makes him look less scummy to everyone else, then it's a bad thing obviously.

Is that all you can do DLA ? Because that's a very poor post you made. Seems like you're still riding your town-cred from D1. Where is the aggressiveness you displayed when you attacked me on D1 ? It seems to me it was all for show.

VOTE: DarkLightA

[DarkLightA]

In your first post, I'm addressing 2 different persons and thus I quote 2 different part of the discussion. Oh and lowlife == scum. There was a misunderstanding that we cleared in #512. So your argument kinda falls flat there.

Fair enough. I realize I misinterpreted your quoting.

As for the second part, I already consider BBT scummy. I've posted why numerous times (hint: he contradicts himself all the time) but nobody seems interested in seeing him as anything but town. And yes when a change of playstyle of someone I consider scum makes him look less scummy to everyone else, then it's a bad thing obviously.

That's scummy. You're not willing to change your opinion.

Is that all you can do DLA ? Because that's a very poor post you made. Seems like you're still riding your town-cred from D1. Where is the aggressiveness you displayed when you attacked me on D1 ? It seems to me it was all for show.

VOTE: DarkLightA

But this is brilliant, as it's even more scummy than anything I quoted. You're back to this boxing game attitude of yours. If I'm not completely mistaken, I'm not your top scumread. You transfer your vote to me because... I made some arguments about you? You're not supporting a wagon as no one else is voting me. Is it just to discredit my argument? You're not even making a case against me, you're simply responding to my points and using that as justification to vote me.

[Otolia]

Your points were so bad it warranted a change of vote. You were AGAIN trying so hard to find things to say. Just like you did against Collatz at the beginning of the game. But what's even more interesting is how you changed your attitude. By your own words, I'm consistent with myself. You aren't. That's a big issue.

[DarkLightA]

By your own words, I'm consistent with myself. You aren't. That's a big issue.

Is this in response to my changing views?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

495 - What does being the 3rd person to comment on it have to do with it, DLA? The reason Collatz might be trying to use the noobie card is because it's good reasoning to cover any potential slips/bad play.

Right now, I'm not really interested in pursuing Collatz as I believe he is very likely town. This is just a note so that it's in my ISO.

496 - RC, how does this information effect your read on Otolia given this;

Otolia's argument against randomidget is not where I think he would have or should've went as scum. You had just very vocally come down against that wagon and there were other directions I think scumOtolia could've went that would've offered less resistance. As it turns out, random is digging himself into a bit of a hole and his wagon is actually garnering continued support (which I am a bit surprised with, actually), but I think that at the time that Otolia went after him, that was not necessarily the most logical direction the wagon was going.

All of this said, I so much agree with your 427 and Otolia's push over the dayvig thing looks really sketchy. I don't think that's a lost in translation error either.

Eh... BBT, who do you think would join us on a theoretical Otolia wagon?

Was what you originally said and we now have a Otolia wagon up and running.

505 - Otolia, you state your top two scum-reads are Random and myself and then proceed to vote DLA as soon as he attacks you? You're obviously very defensive and I'm finding it difficult to determine whether it's scummy or whether you're just defensive in general regardless of alignment.

What are you waiting for from Marcrell?

Do you have an opinion on MD vs BBT instead of making a filler comment?

Who is in a weird vote crossfire?

How am I posting like RC?

522 - CKD, I dislike the first part of this post immensely. Why is Otolia vs myself strictly TvT or SvS, why is it not TvS? What are the differences that enable you to rule out one set of alignments?

533 - RC, this post feels disingenuous. I don't like it. It's a 'try-hard' post to 'look town.'

538 - Do you have an opinion on MD instead of making a generic comment that tells us nothing?

What was the 'find criticism' comment in relation to?

547 - Otolia really trying to deflect away from Marcrell here. If Otolia is scum, Marcrell is very likely scum as well.

[curiouskarmadog]

If I'm not completely mistaken, I'm not your top scumread. You transfer your vote to me because... I made some arguments about you? You're not supporting a wagon as no one else is voting me. Is it just to discredit my argument? You're not even making a case against me, you're simply responding to my points and using that as justification to vote me.

he is the leading wagon, as scum, wouldnt it make more sense to join an already established wagon to try to save himself?

also, my last vote, I didnt make (post) a case. I just voted. does that make me scummy?

[curiouskarmadog]

522 - CKD, I dislike the first part of this post immensely. Why is Otolia vs myself strictly TvT or SvS, why is it not TvS? What are the differences that enable you to rule out one set of alignments?

gut..experience(?). Dont know. Just a feeling. I feel like you guys are on the same side (most likely town). That being said, there is a lot of fluffy back and forth between you two that very well could be theater....a very slight hint of not being genuine...or maybe it is being non committal. here is an example. I attack mnomic in post 529. you vote him in 531. Lucky(town) votes Ot in 536, Dark votes Ot in 549, after appearing to get no traction, you vote Ot in 550..........................................

I was going to say, you didnt seem like you were really interested in a OT wagon, until it got going (ie not really feeling what you were preaching). But now, that I have gone back to look at the recent votes, it looks more like you are opportunistic. LOL. Okay, maybe you have changed my mind...it could be SvT.

this is why I dont think about my gut instincts anymore. As soon as I do, I start thinking something else. then when all the cards are shown, I am left saying "Fuck, if I only listened to my gut".


bottom line. I dont like the Ot wagon nor do I feel like you should be a lynch candidate today.

EDIT: this post is the very definition of flip floppy. Feel free to use this in a "CKD is scum" post.

[curiouskarmadog]

547 - Otolia really trying to deflect away from Marcrell here. If Otolia is scum, Marcrell is very likely scum as well.

I dont see this. I read this as Ot questioning why RC has only focused on Marcell. If Ot and Marcell are scum together, this was a horrible post linking them together.

BBT, is there a chance you got a bit of the tunnel vision?

also, is this post "deflecting" from away from Ot?

[curiouskarmadog]

here is a preview.

vote Alchemist21

vote mnemonicdevice
vote Marcrell

vote DarkLightA

I think these slots need pressure today.

[DarkLightA]

495 - What does being the 3rd person to comment on it have to do with it, DLA? The reason Collatz might be trying to use the noobie card is because it's good reasoning to cover any potential slips/bad play.

I always find it suspicious when people jump on a case acting without regarding previous arguments on the case. But it doesn't really matter. You're town.

547 - Otolia really trying to deflect away from Marcrell here. If Otolia is scum, Marcrell is very likely scum as well.

Fair point.

[curiouskarmadog]

EDITED.

here is a preview.

vote Alchemist21

vote mnemonicdevice
vote Marcrell
vote DarkLightA

I think these slots need pressure today.

[DarkLightA]

If I'm not completely mistaken, I'm not your top scumread. You transfer your vote to me because... I made some arguments about you? You're not supporting a wagon as no one else is voting me. Is it just to discredit my argument? You're not even making a case against me, you're simply responding to my points and using that as justification to vote me.

he is the leading wagon, as scum, wouldnt it make more sense to join an already established wagon to try to save himself?

also, my last vote, I didnt make (post) a case. I just voted. does that make me scummy?

Yes, that's essentially what I'm saying. His vote on me would be more sensible if I were a wagon. Now it just looks like pure OMGUS to what he likes to call the "DLA vs Otolia" case. He feels the need to fight fire with fire, which seems suspicious to me.

[DarkLightA]

EDITED.

here is a preview.

vote Alchemist21

vote mnemonicdevice
vote Marcrell
vote DarkLightA

I think these slots need pressure today.

Neat! Why the change?

[curiouskarmadog]

DLA, question of shits and giggles.

if you took Marcel out of the picture, tell me what RC has done in the game?

[DarkLightA]

547 - Otolia really trying to deflect away from Marcrell here. If Otolia is scum, Marcrell is very likely scum as well.

I dont see this. I read this as Ot questioning why RC has only focused on Marcell. If Ot and Marcell are scum together, this was a horrible post linking them together.

BBT, is there a chance you got a bit of the tunnel vision?

also, is this post "deflecting" from away from Ot?

Upon review I agree with this.
What confuses me more is why Otolia is criticizing RC for sticking to reads and criticizing myself for changing my reads.