Open 591: C9++, The Lunatic Ayslum (Game Over: Town Win!)

[curiouskarmadog]

495 - What does being the 3rd person to comment on it have to do with it, DLA? The reason Collatz might be trying to use the noobie card is because it's good reasoning to cover any potential slips/bad play.

I always find it suspicious when people jump on a case acting without regarding previous arguments on the case. But it doesn't really matter. You're town.

547 - Otolia really trying to deflect away from Marcrell here. If Otolia is scum, Marcrell is very likely scum as well.

Fair point.

this post seems like you are blowing smoke up BBT's ass. "youre town" "fair point". The latter is not a fair point. You have been around for awhile, so you should be able to note when someone might be tunneling. Did you actually read 547? Do you think that OtScum would attempt to deflect from MarcelScum in this way?

[DarkLightA]

DLA, question of shits and giggles.

if you took Marcel out of the picture, tell me what RC has done in the game?

I don't see any problems with his play. You yourself say Marcrell needs more pressure, and RC has provided that more than any player—isn't that worthwhile in itself?

RC has contributed more on non-Marcrell players than others have contributed at all (I'm looking at you, mnemonic...) and I think his points are generally good, so I'm happy with his play.

[DarkLightA]

The ninjaing thing isn't working for me lately :s

[curiouskarmadog]

What confuses me more is why Otolia is criticizing RC for sticking to reads and criticizing myself for changing my reads.

Now THIS, is a good question. let me read what actually was said.

[curiouskarmadog]

RC has contributed more on non-Marcrell players than others have contributed at all (I'm looking at you, mnemonic...) and I think his points are generally good, so I'm happy with his play.

agreed. But I can also see how someone would look at RC and think "hmmm, someone of RC's experience should be doing more". However, there is a lot of dead weight, lurking, non committing players in this game. I imagine there is some scum among them.

[Otolia]

Short post before I get back to work : I criticize your change of playstyle not reads, DLA. Your attack on me was weak and not at all what I would have expected given your D1 play. I also feel like you are riding your town-cred from D1 which is unwarranted in my opinion. I'll cover the rest of the discussion later.

[DarkLightA]

But what's even more interesting is how you changed your attitude.

What exactly do you mean by "your attitude" in this post?

[DarkLightA]

Randommidget and BlueBloodedToffee are scum-read.
Llamafluff and Alchemist are strong town read.
DLA is probably town, just like RedCoyote - whom I wished he were here.
Reubus Swagrid is null though I like #274 a lot for his questioning on people's motivation.

The rest is not significant enough which tells me there is some scum lying amongst them.

Does this last bit still stand?

[Alchemist21]

I'm busy today so I'm just posting some general thoughts here until I can get more in depth with the DLA vs Otoila. The last few pages have made me more sure they don't share an alignment, but until I really look at it I won't be sure which one is scum.

Mneumonic's responses made me lean scum on him, so whichever of the two above seems Town to me will probably get dropped from my lynch order, and Mneumonic put under the one that's left.

Marcrell, I need your thoughts on the game, both for overall on D1 and for the current game state.

Otoila, I need you to show me what you're seeing differently in BBT's play, and I mean SHOW not TELL because I haven't noticed a change and if you can't show me why you think that I'll assume you're talking out of your ass.

[Lucky2u]

I'm busy today so I'm just posting some general thoughts here until I can get more in depth with the DLA vs Otoila.

The last few pages have made me more sure they don't share an alignment

, but until I really look at it I won't be sure which one is scum.

Mneumonic's responses made me lean scum on him, so whichever of the two above seems Town to me will probably get dropped from my lynch order, and Mneumonic put under the one that's left.

Marcrell, I need your thoughts on the game, both for overall on D1 and for the current game state.

Otoila, I need you to show me what you're seeing differently in BBT's play, and I mean SHOW not TELL because I haven't noticed a change and if you can't show me why you think that I'll assume you're talking out of your ass.

I highly agree with the bolded. So let's lynch Otolia and see which is which

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I can't find a single reason for MD being town.

Can anyone else?

If not, we should lynch him toDay.

VOTE: Mnemonic

[DarkLightA]

I would not cry if mnemonic were lynched.

Intent to hammer!

[BlueBloodedToffee]

How about you jump on now?

[Lucky2u]

I would not cry if mnemonic were lynched.

Intent to hammer!

uhh... what? I wasn't aware anyone was even at L-1

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I think he is saying if MD goes to L-1 he will hammer.

[DarkLightA]

I think he is saying if MD goes to L-1 he will hammer.

[DarkLightA]

I'm perfectly content with Otolia for the time being.

[Lucky2u]

I don't think I'll be supporting any MD wagon. Everytime I play with him he is a compromise lynch for being a low activity poster and it's never been alignment indicitive. If we lynch him it's because there isn't a better wagon.

[Collatz]

VOTE: randommidget

He said he'd try and scumhunt in D2 but I'm not really saying that. He also seems to be unable to hold his opinions for more than a day if it seems that other people are questioning them.

[curiouskarmadog]

way to comment on current stuff.

[Lucky2u]

VOTE: randommidget

He said he'd try and scumhunt in D2 but I'm not really saying that. He also seems to be unable to hold his opinions for more than a day if it seems that other people are questioning them.

What's your read on Otolia?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I don't think I'll be supporting any MD wagon. Everytime I play with him he is a compromise lynch for being a low activity poster and it's never been alignment indicitive. If we lynch him it's because there isn't a better wagon.

MD has been posting.

Show me some posts that make you think he is town.

[Collatz]

way to comment on current stuff.

I didn't say anything more because I din't have much time and I forgot to include the vote in my last few posts. I'll post more on the 'current' stuff later.

[Alchemist21]

This post by Otolia is mindblowing:

Spoiler: Otolia

You might be right ehoever daid collatz wasnt scummy. I just remembered that he reminds me of kelbris who ends up in similar situations.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: otolia

This here is pretty a pretty weak reason to change a vote, especially considering how much he believes I am scum.

You're not in my top 2 (Randommidget & BBT). When I voted you in D1 shortly before I did a re-read as an incentive to keep your promises to town. Considering there isn't a lot of people who can say that this game, it shouldn't worry you that much.

So why do you feel like I'm persecuting you ?

You might be right ehoever daid collatz wasnt scummy. I just remembered that he reminds me of kelbris who ends up in similar situations.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: otolia

Any reasoning behind your vote or did you just realize that because everyone is listing me as scum, I would potentially be an easy for a lowlife like you ?

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Otolia appears to be responding to the same post twice in two separate quotes(?) and also calls RandomMidget a "lowlife". Ad hominems don't help a case.

BBT, why did you start posting like RedCoyote ? I prefered when you were obnoxious and couldn't keep your words. At least that was easy to spot.

This is also strange. To my eyes it seems like Otolia is saying (if indirectly) that BBT's playstyle change makes him look less scummy, and labeling that as a negative thing. Has Otolia decided that BBT is scum regardless of future posts?

I'm gonna park my vote here for the time being as no one seems particularly keen on Alchemist yet.

VOTE: Otolia

Woah. I didn't thought you could be this nonsensical DLA. O.O

In your first post, I'm addressing 2 different persons and thus I quote 2 different part of the discussion. Oh and lowlife == scum. There was a misunderstanding that we cleared in #512. So your argument kinda falls flat there.

As for the second part, I already consider BBT scummy. I've posted why numerous times (hint: he contradicts himself all the time) but nobody seems interested in seeing him as anything but town. And yes when a change of playstyle of someone I consider scum makes him look less scummy to everyone else, then it's a bad thing obviously.

Is that all you can do DLA ? Because that's a very poor post you made. Seems like you're still riding your town-cred from D1. Where is the aggressiveness you displayed when you attacked me on D1 ? It seems to me it was all for show.

VOTE: DarkLightA

Some questions about this:

Do you think that all Town players will maintain the same playstyle on D2? Personally I think a lot of people change to some extent going into D2 because they've had time to read back and reflect in the game.

If yes, then do you think DLA and BBT are conciously or subconsciously changing their playstyle?

[mnemonicdevice]

Sorry all, kinda v/la right now because laptop died. Posting from another computer, but only have limited access right now. Will hopefully be back before the end of the week.