In post 519, Collatz wrote:In post 518, Alchemist21 wrote:
Part of your argument against DLA was the player he voted didn't have time to respond. Clearly that wasn't the case since I responded, and now you're saying you know I responded, so at some point you lied - either to me or to DLA.
My posts about giving the people time to respond (101) was a response to CKD and not really a "case" against DLA. As I've said before, I didn't have a case against DLA and I voted for him for reasons mentioned in my ISO. I also don't see how I have lied as your response to DLA wasn't what I'd consider a response someone wants when they are vote hopping and you don't vote hope for one response and then shift your vote again. I see vote hopping as shifting your vote around relatively quickly but still putting the voted player under continued pressure to see how they respond. There was no continued pressure with DLA's vote on you.
If this doesn't make sense I'll rephrase it when I wake up.
This is what got said:
In post 103, Collatz wrote:I'm not new to mafia. I've played it on a couple of other places but mostly I've played it IRL. I have seen people vote hop on day 1 ut they normally give a reason. I've also never seen someone votehop to one person (with no reason) and votehop back (with no reason) when someone calls them out on it all within twenty five minutes. The argument of it putting pressure on multiple people really isn't valid when the votes happened so quickly that the voted person didn't have a time to see the post, let alone respond. By votehoping so quickly he removed any kind of pressure he could have put on the people he was voting for which defeats the purpose of the hop in the first place. Am I the only one who finds this to be suspiscous?
You said I didn't have time to see or respond to the post, but I did and DLA even commented on my resonse. If you knew I made a response, you wouldn't say I didn't get to see it. And now you're changing the answer about the response. First it was I didn't get to respond, and now it's I didn't get to respond in the way someone would want. How would you know what he or anyone else wants for a response? What kind of response did you think someone would want?
I'm also wondering why you assumed his switch was a direct result of you asking about it. Let's play with the assumption he's Town here. Given that he commented on it before switching, I can easily see the likelihood of DLA actually liking the response and switching back. Did you consider that he wanted to vote a player already active in the thread rather than wait for the initial vote, and decide I handled his pressure vote well? As for continued pressure, that doesn't really hold up either. His comment and unvote would indicate he liked my response to his pressure (meaning it was the kind of response he was looking for) and resumed voting his original RVS vote to continue the pressure there.
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