New York 180 (Endgame)

ika · Post Post #5800 (ISO) » Fri Apr 10, 2015 7:17 am

goodmornign: kitz
ozgin: dragonspawn

Marquis · Post Post #5801 (ISO) » Fri Apr 10, 2015 7:27 am

VOTE: cheetory

Cheetory6 · Post Post #5802 (ISO) » Fri Apr 10, 2015 7:33 am

Shinobi wrote:It's like nothing that ever happens in thread is ever a reason to take anyone off the table for a day.

What exactly happened that should take someone off the table?

Shinobi · Post Post #5803 (ISO) » Fri Apr 10, 2015 7:38 am

In post 5802, Cheetory6 wrote:
Shinobi wrote:It's like nothing that ever happens in thread is ever a reason to take anyone off the table for a day.
What exactly happened that should take someone off the table?

We just lynched mafia in an extremely contested vote?

Cheetory6 · Post Post #5804 (ISO) » Fri Apr 10, 2015 7:41 am

So, what? The people on the Aero wagon are all town now?
Or just Ozgin because he put a hammer down after Silver had already given intent?
:/

Shinobi · Post Post #5805 (ISO) » Fri Apr 10, 2015 7:42 am

I don't see a world where we go "okay, we just lynched mafia. Let's lynch the people on the right wagon."

Cheetory6 · Post Post #5806 (ISO) » Fri Apr 10, 2015 7:44 am

Bussing is a thing?

Though, I kind of forgot that you specifically were the counterwagon >.>
I don't see why that makes Ozgin town though.

Shinobi · Post Post #5807 (ISO) » Fri Apr 10, 2015 7:47 am

I guess.

I'll look into it after work, maybe.

goodmorning · Post Post #5808 (ISO) » Fri Apr 10, 2015 7:47 am

In post 5805, Shinobi wrote:I don't see a world where we go "okay, we just lynched mafia. Let's lynch the people on the right wagon."

There are so many things wrong with this I don't really know where to start.

Would you say, for instance, that on D2 the viking wagon was the 'wrong' wagon?

Shinobi · Post Post #5809 (ISO) » Fri Apr 10, 2015 8:12 am

In post 5808, goodmorning wrote:
In post 5805, Shinobi wrote:I don't see a world where we go "okay, we just lynched mafia. Let's lynch the people on the right wagon."

There are so many things wrong with this I don't really know where to start.

Would you say, for instance, that on D2 the viking wagon was the 'wrong' wagon?

Depends on if the lynch is highly contested and if the counterwagon was a mafia wagon.

Since it falls under neither of these categories, I would say "no."

goodmorning · Post Post #5810 (ISO) » Fri Apr 10, 2015 8:14 am

The viking wagon was fairly highly contested, just not by quite enough people for it not to happen.

goodmorning · Post Post #5811 (ISO) » Fri Apr 10, 2015 8:15 am

Or is 10 on and 8 off not highly contested enough for you to count it?

Green Crayons · Post Post #5812 (ISO) » Fri Apr 10, 2015 8:15 am

I haven't read anything except what you people have posted since I joined in, and I agree with Shinobi.

I know that's gotta be worth at least a "hmm" and maybe a "mmhmm."

Green Crayons · Post Post #5813 (ISO) » Fri Apr 10, 2015 8:17 am

To point:

In post 5806, Cheetory6 wrote:Bussing is a thing?

Though, I kind of forgot that you specifically were the counterwagon >.>
I don't see why that makes Ozgin town though.

Yes, bussing is A Thing, but I don't know why the default assumption would be that "bussing occurred" rather than "scum tried to have their buddy not get killed."

Green Crayons · Post Post #5814 (ISO) » Fri Apr 10, 2015 8:18 am

(I haven't reviewed the actual Ozgin hammer, so I don't know what it looks like.)

Shinobi · Post Post #5815 (ISO) » Fri Apr 10, 2015 8:20 am

In post 5811, goodmorning wrote:Or is 10 on and 8 off not highly contested enough for you to count it?

Both wagons were town.

There's environmental analysis to be done in regards to looking at people who didn't care about what was going on possibly, but that's about it. It's not the same thing as people voting the way they vote when mafia is at stake.

Cheetory6 · Post Post #5816 (ISO) » Fri Apr 10, 2015 8:23 am

Green Crayons wrote:Yes, bussing is A Thing, but I don't know why the default assumption would be that "bussing occurred" rather than "scum tried to have their buddy not get killed."

I'm more just trying to understand why Shinobi thinks it's worth discounting Ozgin as scum just because he hammered especially since intent had already been given before the hammer had actually happened.

goodmorning · Post Post #5817 (ISO) » Fri Apr 10, 2015 8:25 am

On a different note, I've been going through the VCs to see if anything sticks out.

- TSO is unlikely to be groupscum, though this isn't really a new idea.
- dragon also unlikely to be groupscum.
- need to check and see why Pisskop got off Kitz wagon between 947 and 1051.
- why did Aero tunnel Marquis D4 but not D5?

That's about it.

p-edit:
@Shinobi: I hope that when you say 'when mafia is at stake' you don't mean 'when it's going to be/could be mafia lynched.'

Shinobi · Post Post #5818 (ISO) » Fri Apr 10, 2015 8:27 am

In post 5816, Cheetory6 wrote:
Green Crayons wrote:Yes, bussing is A Thing, but I don't know why the default assumption would be that "bussing occurred" rather than "scum tried to have their buddy not get killed."
I'm more just trying to understand why Shinobi thinks it's worth discounting Ozgin as scum just because he hammered especially since intent had already been given before the hammer had actually happened.

I said I'd look into it.

@GM: Yes. That is exactly what I mean.

Cheetory6 · Post Post #5819 (ISO) » Fri Apr 10, 2015 8:29 am

Sorry, wasn't trying to be overly persistent, was just responding to GC.

Green Crayons · Post Post #5820 (ISO) » Fri Apr 10, 2015 8:33 am

In post 5816, Cheetory6 wrote:
Green Crayons wrote:Yes, bussing is A Thing, but I don't know why the default assumption would be that "bussing occurred" rather than "scum tried to have their buddy not get killed."
I'm more just trying to understand why Shinobi thinks it's worth discounting Ozgin as scum just because he hammered especially since intent had already been given before the hammer had actually happened.

Gotcha.

Marquis · Post Post #5821 (ISO) » Fri Apr 10, 2015 8:33 am

In post 5801, Marquis wrote:VOTE: cheetory

i forgot cheetory existed and i hate my reads this game so far and i need to focus more on my townreads like i used to but this is the start of my realignment and it's scum and it dies today pls

goodmorning · Post Post #5822 (ISO) » Fri Apr 10, 2015 8:37 am

@Shinobi: Every Town player thinks that the person they are voting is Mafia. There is no difference before the lynch happens. Every vote has Mafia at stake, even if they flip Town.

Trying to look at votes on Mafia differently just because they happened to be right is like thinking someone who guesses your "I'm thinking of a number from 1 to 10" did something differently than the people who didn't guess it.

They didn't do anything different. They had the same motivations, etc, etc.

(If I was Scum I'd use this to push you as having a clear disconnect from the Town thought process.)
(but ftr I think you're just wrong about this particular item of theory.)

goodmorning · Post Post #5823 (ISO) » Fri Apr 10, 2015 8:38 am

In post 5822, goodmorning wrote:@Shinobi: Every Town player thinks that the person they are voting is Mafia. There is no difference before the lynch happens. Every vote has Mafia at stake, even if they flip Town.

Trying to look at votes on Mafia differently just because they happened to be right is like thinking someone who guesses your "I'm thinking of a number from 1 to 10" did something differently than the people who didn't guess it.

They didn't do anything different. They had the same motivations, etc, etc.

(If I was Scum I'd use this to push you as having a clear disconnect from the Town thought process.)
(but ftr I think you're just wrong about this particular item of theory.)

This post just made me wanna neighbourise tso so...

Cheetory6 · Post Post #5824 (ISO) » Fri Apr 10, 2015 8:41 am

Can't really blame Marquis for scumreading me if he is town. I'm pretty done with this game atm.
Like I literally have no energy to try and sort through anything from before now and the only reason I haven't replaced is because I don't want to do that to ika when finding a replacement would be such a pain in the ass.