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Post Post #925 (ISO) » Sun Apr 12, 2015 5:26 pm

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V O T E C O U N T
2 2 3


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There's this movie that I think you'll like;
this guy decides to quit his job and heads to New York City.
This cowboy's running from himself,
and she's been living on the highest shelf.


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Endless Possibilities

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— Soren
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— Endless Possibilities, Aristophanes, Empking, Not_Mafia
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<
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DarkLightA
— Elyse, Bookitty, killerjester
(L-4)


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Not Voting
— ika, Espeonage

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(expired on 2015-04-17 15:15:00)
(Fri Apr 17 @ 15:15:00 EST).

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Post Post #926 (ISO) » Sun Apr 12, 2015 5:48 pm

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In post 914, Not_Mafia wrote:ika has been on since, let's just lynch him, he's being actively useless at this point

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Post Post #927 (ISO) » Sun Apr 12, 2015 9:40 pm

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Boo has been ok recently, ika is town, DLA is maybe town and defs a PR.

I am not happy with any of the current lynch options.
Don't @ me.
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Post Post #928 (ISO) » Sun Apr 12, 2015 11:23 pm

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It's that time of the week!

It's time for
Misrep Monday
, where we summarize the biggest misrep from the past week.



3rd place:

Pressuring for a claimWhat Bookitty says I did:
In post 801, Bookitty wrote:If you think someone is
town AND a power role, which DarkLightA claims he did
, then pressuring that power role for a claim is one of the worst possible moves. Lying to try to force that claim is inexcusable from town.


I responded to this previously:
Spoiler: Response
In post 807, DarkLightA wrote:Remember when you were on a wagon against Ika? Remember when that reached L-1? An Ika claim was expected at L-1, and you were part of the reason it was. I didn't want him to be lynched. You're labeling it as rolefishing. It's not. It would have been a near lynch claim if it ever came.

You're twisting my words and actions. I said:
In post 622, DarkLightA wrote:Therefore I'm asking to refrain from LOLhammering and allow a claim and my response to said claim before any hammering takes place.

In post 632, DarkLightA wrote:I can respond to a claim, and then ika can decide whether he wants to claim or not.

In post 635, DarkLightA wrote:Let's see what/if ika claims and we'll take it from there.

In post 652, DarkLightA wrote:I'm not saying anything more until we have a claim from ika. End of story.

And you're acting as if I was forcing him to claim. I wasn't. I just thought it was in town's best interest that he was allowed to claim before being lynched—I think you'd agree.

YOU'RE SAYING that I pressured a claim out of him when thinking he was a town PR. What you fail to mention is that, indeed, I was suspecting him of being scum when he didn't claim, and I think I had reason to do so.

In post 622, DarkLightA wrote:He then decides that Ika is scum based on Ika's unwillingness to claim even under pressure.

Oh, now you remember that I suspected Ika of being scum, which led to my increased pressure. Why didn't you mention that in your previous argument?



2nd place:

RolecopWhat Bookitty says I said:
In post 814, Bookitty wrote:
You're now claiming that you thought he was a rolecop
, a role that is really only beneficial to scum and that most people would suspect as scum based on the role alone.

In post 811, Bookitty wrote:Why would
your suspicion that he was a rolecop
make you think he was town?


What I actually said:
In post 792, DarkLightA wrote:My thoughts on various Ika roles
at the moment
:
(...)
I'm guessing it's one of {follower, watcher,
rolecop
, tracker, voyeur} but don't quote me on that. Given his recent actions I don't know what to believe.



1st place:


BreadcrumbWhat Bookitty says I said:
In post 842, Bookitty wrote:
You then said you wanted to see if Ika had spotted the breadcrumb
-- REALLY? Does ANYONE believe that?


What I actually said:
In post 824, DarkLightA wrote:You obviously don't understand how breadcrumbing works.
I never intended for Ika to pick up on it.
ONCE AGAIN I didn't say I ever thought Ika was a rolecop initially, cause I didn't think so.


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Post Post #929 (ISO) » Mon Apr 13, 2015 1:42 am

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I've read up and am currently torn on the lynch options.
How sure are we that Ika is scum? This recent bit makes me really wary.
Ika, voting would be helpful to know where you're at. Are you against all the lynch options at this point? If so, who would be the best vote?
Is informed scum common on this site?

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Post Post #930 (ISO) » Mon Apr 13, 2015 2:41 am

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Okay, here is the sequence of events that troubles me:

In post 434, DarkLightA wrote:I think Ika's town.


Ika was being wagoned for lurkiness and non-contribution. According to DarkLightA's story, he knew that Ika had targeted him last night. 1. So what is this read based on?

In post 620, DarkLightA wrote:Please don't hammer ika. I have reason to believe he is town.


Still saying this, still with no reason.

In post 622, DarkLightA wrote:I'd rather not elaborate yet. However, I have information that could potentially, maybe, possibly exonerate ika. Therefore I'm asking to refrain from LOLhammering and allow a claim and my response to said claim before any hammering takes place.


This made me think DLA was town.

In post 632, DarkLightA wrote:Ika probably doesn't, or at least shouldn't, understand what I'm referring to. I can respond to a claim, and
then ika can decide whether he wants to claim or not.


Ah, the famous breadcrumb. It doesn't happen until after DLA has already started his gambit, which seriously undercuts the credibility of that gambit. But it's the second sentence that bothers me: 2. How could DLA respond to a claim before Ika made it?

In post 664, DarkLightA wrote:You don't know shit. Give me a full claim or I'll ensure that you go back to L-1 if that would help you at all.


This to Ika. Unexplained townread fading -- maybe because it was never real at all?

In post 672, DarkLightA wrote:
In post 671, Bookitty wrote:What's your impression of the DarkLightA-Ika thing, Empking?

I'd rather not have any discussion at this point.


3. Doesn't want anyone else to talk about it. Why?

In post 678, DarkLightA wrote:
In post 649, Soren wrote:Look at the votes. A few ninjas votes and ika is gone.

Seriously Soren, what's up with your play today? You seem to be more interested in ika's lynch than his flip.


This is weird after the threat.

In post 684, DarkLightA wrote:I'm not a tracker.

If the next post you post doesn't contain a full claim I will vote you.


The self-admitted lie.

In post 691, DarkLightA wrote:What the fuck do you think you're doing?

You were being lynched. I stopped that. Now you comply or get lynched. Full claim.


Why is DLA so concerned that Ika claim at this point? He was already voting him, so how can DLA control whether Ika gets lynched or not anyway? He can't vote him MORE.

In post 693, DarkLightA wrote:might never happen if you don't act quickly.

The way you're acting now I think several people will be more than happy to hammer.


The apparent scumread from earlier seems to have faded, because DLA is here acting the part of the concerned friend trying to help Ika not get lynched.

However, seven minutes later:

In post 696, DarkLightA wrote:I thought things through and I actually think ika's scum.


In post 697, DarkLightA wrote:I don't know anymore. I'm going to bed. I don't really care what happens to ika.


Apathy.

In post 714, DarkLightA wrote:@Bookitty, which part of this:
In post 674, DarkLightA wrote:I'd just rather not have any discussion on the ika-DLA dynamic.

is ambiguous to you?

I'll explain everything if ika claims.


Back to wanting a claim.

In post 725, DarkLightA wrote:I'm perfectly content lynching ika for his reluctance to claim. His behavior has been anti-town at best.


Happy with the lynch.

In post 728, DarkLightA wrote:Ika, you're going to die. I don't understand what you're trying to achieve by not claiming.

You do know that there are quite a few possible roles in mafia, correct?


Almost... coaching? If DLA thinks Ika is scum, why not just push for his lynch?

In post 748, DarkLightA wrote:
In post 740, Bookitty wrote:Can you explain now, DarkLightA? Surely if Ika looks like scum to you now, there's no reason to withhold your evidence, right?

Why do you keep on fishing? I am not saying anything before ika claims, leave it or take it.


DLA is making sure nothing else can be discussed by harping on the claim, but heaven forbid anyone else discuss it!

In post 794, DarkLightA wrote:Ah, yes. I knew there was something I forgot to address. Frankly, I was trying to coerce a claim out of Ika and at that point I was becoming quite uncertain about his alignment. I figured that if I slipped in a white lie I could make him uncertain and hence—if he were scum—could make him fakeclaim something that could be contested. Essentially, I felt that the less information Ika had at the point of claiming, the better. That was also why I resisted discussion on the topic.


Admits his lie.

This, DLA, is where you said that you didn't want to show the breadcrumb because you thought it would prove Ika was the rolecop:

In post 807, DarkLightA wrote:I'll allow ika to respond before revealing that as he can verify a rolecop role through it.


I think I'm okay with either lynch today. There's so much weird incriminatory stuff going on between Ika and DLA that either flip would resolve some things for me, anyway.

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Post Post #931 (ISO) » Mon Apr 13, 2015 2:52 am

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I've responded to most of this before but this is particularly exciting:
In post 930, Bookitty wrote:
In post 632, DarkLightA wrote:Ika probably doesn't, or at least shouldn't, understand what I'm referring to. I can respond to a claim, and
then ika can decide whether he wants to claim or not.


Ah, the famous breadcrumb. It doesn't happen until after DLA has already started his gambit, which seriously undercuts the credibility of that gambit. But it's the second sentence that bothers me: 2. How could DLA respond to a claim before Ika made it?

Why do you think I'd do this as scum?



In post 930, Bookitty wrote:This, DLA, is where you said that you didn't want to show the breadcrumb because you thought it would prove Ika was the rolecop:

In post 807, DarkLightA wrote:I'll allow ika to respond before revealing that as he can verify a rolecop role through it.

Did I? First of all, again, that's after my claim. You were saying that I saved Ika from lynch thinking he was rolecop. That's false. In fact, I thought of it as a possibility later, and I think you'd agree it's reasonable to wait for the possibility of a rolecop claim that can be verified no matter how low the chances are.
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Post Post #932 (ISO) » Mon Apr 13, 2015 2:59 am

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In post 931, DarkLightA wrote:You were saying that I saved Ika from lynch thinking he was rolecop. That's false. In fact, I thought of it as a possibility later, and I think you'd agree it's reasonable to wait for the possibility of a rolecop claim that can be verified no matter how low the chances are.


No, I said that you refused to provide the location of the breadcrumb because you thought Ika was a rolecop. That came much later than your "saving him from lynch." Not that your breadcrumb COULD actually have been spotted, since it was for a role that doesn't actually exist anywhere but this game, but why would you think that Ika would be able to verify himself as a rolecop who investigated you based on that crumb, since by your own admission it is only findable after the fact?

Why did you think Ika was town in the first place, please? What was the basis of your townread?
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Post Post #933 (ISO) » Mon Apr 13, 2015 3:10 am

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I'm not going to respond because you're clearly not reading what I'm writing.
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Post Post #934 (ISO) » Mon Apr 13, 2015 8:58 am

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Ika what is your read on DLA
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Post Post #935 (ISO) » Mon Apr 13, 2015 9:27 am

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In post 934, Elyse wrote:Ika what is your read on DLA


if you were paying attention you would already know my read on him
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Post Post #936 (ISO) » Mon Apr 13, 2015 9:28 am

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Well I'm not so repeat it for me
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Post Post #937 (ISO) » Mon Apr 13, 2015 9:32 am

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In post 936, Elyse wrote:Well I'm not so repeat it for me


why should i do something for you if you admit to not reading?
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Post Post #938 (ISO) » Mon Apr 13, 2015 9:33 am

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You're annoying as fuck
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Post Post #939 (ISO) » Mon Apr 13, 2015 10:04 am

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ika who are you scum reads?
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Post Post #940 (ISO) » Mon Apr 13, 2015 10:26 am

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I still don't even know if he's townreading DLA because he DIDN'T say if he was or not.
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Post Post #941 (ISO) » Mon Apr 13, 2015 10:37 am

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Für Elyse:

In post 744, ika wrote:
In post 743, Bookitty wrote:Ika, if you support a DarkLightA lynch, why aren't you voting him?

Why do you think he's scum, please?


cus i want hammer

his 180 reversal on me easily looks like scum WK me and then jumping ship
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Post Post #942 (ISO) » Mon Apr 13, 2015 10:46 am

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In post 941, Bookitty wrote:Für Elyse

That's glorious.
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Post Post #943 (ISO) » Mon Apr 13, 2015 10:57 am

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Ty Boo.

Ok so if he's a protective informative role then why does he think DLA is scum...he targeted him last night...WHY? Why the hell would you protect DLA, a completely nonentity on Day 1? And if you did actually protect him, then maybe he was supposed to be NK'd. Or maybe that makes it clear that a town roleblocker successfully stopped a NK. Or a BP. There are just so many unanswered questions and I don't see how ika claiming more is going to hurt.

I'm so goddamn confused. At this point maybe it'd be better to just lynch Aris lol.
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Post Post #944 (ISO) » Mon Apr 13, 2015 11:02 am

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I don't understand DLA's initial townread on Ika and I don't understand why Ika or anyone would target DarkLightA based on Day One.

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Post Post #945 (ISO) » Mon Apr 13, 2015 11:18 am

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I just realized Ika softclaimed "informed protective" rather than informative + protective.

What does being informed mean?
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Post Post #946 (ISO) » Mon Apr 13, 2015 11:21 am

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In post 944, Bookitty wrote:I don't understand DLA's initial townread on Ika
and I don't understand why Ika or anyone would target DarkLightA based on Day One.

You're answering your own question. My townread was based on him targeting me. I thought things through and I didn't think scum had reason to target me. I thought a non-cop, maybe non-rolecop town investigative role was the most likely role. A town investigative role would target bad-looking players, scum wouldn't. Hence my claim.

Now everything's suddenly fucked itself and I don't even know who I am anymore.
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Post Post #947 (ISO) » Mon Apr 13, 2015 11:22 am

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I do agree that a protective role targeting me is strange though.

Informed protective role...
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Post Post #948 (ISO) » Mon Apr 13, 2015 11:26 am

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I read up and I'm guessing it means he's given a confirmed town player along with his role PM?

That makes me so much more confused.
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Post Post #949 (ISO) » Mon Apr 13, 2015 11:29 am

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VOTE: Ika

I'll put this here.

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