Signs and Void (Game Over) [TM2015]

[GuyInFreezer]

@titus
If singer is scum who's her buddies?
If singer Is town how does it affect your reads?
What is a reason for TTH wagon outside of lurk?

[fferyllt]

I'm around more than you think i do.
It's just whenever I see a bookmark this game has like 8 pages from last day and I go "fuck this lol" while I just glance over last 2 pages.
Surely you've noticed that I've been answering stuffs directed at me right?

I have, and that worries me a little too.

[GuyInFreezer]

Good.
Now you know that I'm somewhat active lurking you can @ me if you want me to look at something!

[fferyllt]

I'd like to know what your current reads are in the not too distant future.

[Titus]

@titus
If singer is scum who's her buddies?
If singer Is town how does it affect your reads?
What is a reason for TTH wagon outside of lurk?

I don't know yet. Such speculation is very dangerous. We cannot get town working as a group, so it's very hard to see scumteams. Guessing though, one of Espy or CDB but not both.
I would make a mental note that someone provoked singer making her harder to understand.
I don't see one.


Good night.

[fferyllt]

If I had a vote I'd be voting gamma.

the singer wagon reeks and his reasons for voting her are terrible.

[GuyInFreezer]

I could proxy my vote to you.

[fferyllt]

You could!

[GuyInFreezer]

VOTE: gamma

[singersigner]

I don't like that because I really don't think Gamma's scum despite not having a good reason to vote me.

@Titus...there's a difference between discrediting you and discrediting your argument which was wrong and hypocritical. I'm not sure why you've continued to overlook that. My predecessors don't really need to agree with my positions, nor I theirs and it's really weird that you're even calling on that as an issue. The only one you can even compare it to is Zar since he's still playing TM, but I won't/don't sheep my teammates unconditionally unless I have no choice.

Re: provoking me...can I make it easier for you to understand me? I'm not really sure how my communication has failed since I've been voted.

@GiF...that Gamma vote sucks only because you're using "proxy" as an excuse.

[GuyInFreezer]

@GiF...that Gamma vote sucks only because you're using "proxy" as an excuse.

I mean if the "proxy" doesn't satisfy you I could twist something I said a long time ago that has no relevance and make it look like it's relevant.

gamma is someone who you probably want to lynch

[GuyInFreezer]

Ok I have townread on cdb!

[singersigner]

Why!

[GuyInFreezer]

'Cause!

@singer - do you think titus is misguided town or just flat out scum?

[singersigner]

Good question.

My biggest problem with her is the juxtaposition between her insistence that she doesn't have control or sway over the town/game state, but makes comments suggesting strongly that she does and believes that she does. That, and the whole posting 3xs+ which is serious overkill. -_-

Otherwise it's really hard to parse through her self-assessment that she's posting differently at her teammates advice. It seems genuine? Though, fuck, I feel like I remember people getting upset with Marquis for purposefully posting differently, and don't remember anyone calling her out for it. I'll have to look back at that...

[GuyInFreezer]

Gun to the head town or scum

[Marquis]

Ok I have townread on cdb!

Why!

'Cause!

is this that "cultural appropriation" thing all the kids are talking about these days :(

[Marquis]

tbh i think people were just more glad titus was taking a sort-of break from being... titus

as for me i'm sure it's bc everyone already loves me just the way i am ♡♡♡

[Gammagooey]

@Gamma

Nacho wants to know what the fuck that singer vote was. he's calling it garbage.

best way to describe it is probably that singer feels like she's trying to display her emotions as much as possible to get read as town for how she's reacting to the things happening around her. it doesn't feel like she's legitimately suspicious of anyone - just that she's bouncing off everything that's been happening.

granted, i could see her potentially doing it as town because of her playstyle whereas most of the playerlist doing something like that I would probably go completely berserk on getting them lynched, I just think that it's still more likely to be coming from her as scum than town.

[Marquis]

@titus
If singer is scum who's her buddies?
If singer Is town how does it affect your reads?
What is a reason for TTH wagon outside of lurk?

I don't know yet. Such speculation is very dangerous. We cannot get town working as a group, so it's very hard to see scumteams. Guessing though, one of Espy or CDB but not both.
I would make a mental note that someone provoked singer making her harder to understand.
I don't see one.


Good night.

o

m

f

g

you talked to me for like a

whole page

on this

go back and reread exactly what i said because i'm pretty sure i've said multiple times now that it's not a pressure/lurk wagon

[Gammagooey]

@ffery- how much has nacho actually played with singer btw?

[hitogoroshi]

VC 52 (Major Day 1, VC 15)

(4)

Espeonage:

mastin2, ChannelDelibird, vezorpiraka, Titus

(GuyInFreezer)

[L-6]
(3)

singersigner:

Aronis, Gammagooey, Cheetory6
(2)

ChannelDelibird:

Bulbazak, Shadoweh
(2)

TellTaleHeart:

Tammy, Marquis
(2)

Marquis:

TellTaleHeart, Espeonage
(1)

Bulbazak:

DeasVail

(Gammagooey)

(1)

Shadoweh:

singersigner
(1)

Gammagooey:

GuyInFreezer

(3)

Not Voting:

Actiondan, T S O, Untrod Tripod

(singersigner, GuyInFreezer)

With 19 votes in play, it takes 10 to lynch. Deadline is Saturday, April 25th, at 9PM CST.

Major Day One Deadline

(expired on 2015-04-25 20:00:00)

Tammy is V/LA until April 20th. CDB is V/LA until April 17th. T S O is V/LA until April 17th.

I will be slightly harder to reach for two days because I'll be going to Nebraska and back. I'm not invoking a backup mod in general because I will be able to get some net, but if there's a very urgent question, best to cc Zor on your PM.

[Titus]

@Singer, If you had meta on me, I post a lot, and double regardless of alignment. I feel each question gets its own post.

Also, I am aware of the sway I might have because of my status but I don't want it. I suck eatly game but I have a few townreads. If anything I am using my influence to srlect who is not lynched.

@Marquis Ok.

[Bulbazak]

A lot of this day phase has already been slow because so many of our talkers are V/LA. As much as I want to lynch CDB (and I do, a whole lot still), he's V/LA until the 17th. Wouldn't it be better to wait until he's here for the second lynch?

If you're that concerned about it, we could always go for an Aronis lynch.

(although being sheeped by Vezok is unnerving me a bit).

Why? Vezok has just become more and more town?

Because last I heard, Vezok was scumreading me and TTH. Heck, he's been pretty adamant for a TTH lynch. Yet he jumps of TTH and onto Aronis with his other scum read. Why? It doesn't make sense to me and makes me nervous.

Bulba, why is Shadow conf town?

Can't tell. You're just going to have to trust me on this one.

Bulba - I'm not really sure how to respond. If I thought it was a reaction test in the first place, I didn't think that mollie was actually scum reading me. I do like mollie a lot, but just because I didn't mention that I thought ffery could read me when we were chatting doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I probably didn't mention that Faraday can read me either, and he's the person who can read me better than anyone else. And you did say/imply you were changing your read based on mollie when you said:

I've asked Mollie to look over his ISO and let me know what she thinks, but her statement that Tammy is scum is making me consider that I've been off not only there, but also on Empire, which would put Vezok square in "most likely town". I may have just had a bad knee jerk reaction to him. I still hate the last post of his from the minor day, though.

That's what made it feel convenient.

It just made my read on you mushier. I was torn between my personal read, which was pretty strong, and the one from Mollie, who I trusted to read you. At the same time I was trying to figure out Vezok and why he was town read. And given that his reads were Empire-town/Tammy-scum, things got pretty confusing. I kinda had you in the "leave it alone and let it sort itself out" pile.

It was a vanity wagon, not useful.

Do you still have a scumread on Tammy?

Seriously? You wagon me exactly as I leave for a meet? That's really dumb.

So...caught for the wrong reasons.

What you're wrong about: my vezok boon vote was not blindly sheeping ffery. Go back in my iso to that point. Ffery offered me three choices when I asked but I explained clearly why I chose vezok of those three, and she agreed with my reasoning, not the other way round (not that I influenced her read, just that I clearly wasn't parroting).

You asked what Ffery's choice for a boon was, then jumped in the middle of the popular wagon backed by the conf. town. How am I misrepresenting anything here?

Your analysis of my relationship to the TTH wagon also doesn't take into proper account my posts on TTH before the end of Minor Day and around my discussion with her when she showed up.

So I didn't take into account you talking about a vacant slot? Okay, what am I supposed to have found so convincing? Why are you ignoring my problem with your stance on that wagon, i.e. supporting the wagon but not wanting to jump on for the longest time?

You're also the one who started this wagon at literally the worst possible time to give me as town time to deal with it appropriately.

I really wasn't paying attention to that. I simply went over a few wagons and came to the conclusion that your voting pattern, combined with your forgettable stances, made you more likely to be scum. Also, you're harping over a non-issue in regards to the V/LA. People tend to back off because of stuff like that, and it's not like I was trying to rush people into a lynch with my single vote. Your blowing this into a large issue shows that you want to make the argument about that and not why people are reading you as scum.

You were already on my list of suspects. This doesn't make me feel better about you, but I don't want to scumread you

just

for scumreading me because enough people are doing it that at least some town are likely just wrong.

Wow. Threatening and wishy-washy. I'm so scared. The fact that you're not trying to address the reasons players are scumreading you and are instead trying to guilt them into jumping off tells me that we're on the right track here.

On to page 79.

[Gammagooey]

@ffery- how much has nacho actually played with singer btw?

also i know fuck meta and it's still early game and everything else aaaand I wouldn't bring this up at all if I wasn't already scumreading her for her tone but her play does seem more like http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=17388 metamafia than maiden http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=22173 or Chosen Ones http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go