In post 756, Egg wrote:Pie, why is hider easier to fake? It's essentially confirming a townie every day
and if you confirm a buddy and one of you dies, the other is auto lynch
. Bodyguard can just say "I tried to protect X and failed" every day which works until there is an obvious protect.
the bolded isn't strictly true. if you fake claim hider as scum and clear a partner, and then get lynched yourself, the other isn't in any way an auto lynch. it's just a shitton of WIFOM regardless of how you attempt to look at it.
the only way it's an auto lynch is if the person who gets "cleared" is lynched, and if you're going to clear a scum partner you'd likely clear one who was not in danger of being lynched and you'd likely do it closer to endgame (ex. N2 or N3, although N1 isn't strictly impossible) - but again, it's just a shitton of WIFOM
the only thing that really makes it difficult is that you have to justify your continued survival, but this isn't that difficult either and even if someone does figure it out, it again opens the door for a shitton of WIFOM. this is even more so the case when you can go back sometime later and say "I was x-shot, didn't feel like claiming it, herp derp".
In post 756, Egg wrote:Also, I wasn't calling sthar scum for very long if you look at my ISO.
you were sure as hell calling him scum for longer than TH, and you appeared to feel strongly about it. this in particular
LMAO. So you think I voted you just to make you not care about the game and easy to lynch? Sorry, but it's a huge stretch to think that I'd think along those lines and even if I did you aren't the player I'd fear most if I was scum. That's not at all how I play anyway.
looked like you were at the very least skeptical of him, even if you weren't outright scum reading him.
In post 756, Egg wrote:Thor's posts since my second to last catchup look like his town meta. The way he argues with Jason and STD, specifically. And it's not that scum faking innocents on buddies "helps town". It's that the second one of them flips scum, the other is auto lynched which is risky. It's not impossible that this is what Thor is doing. It's just that calling it easy is just straight wrong.
OK
so what made the way he argued with jason/STD since your _second-to-last_ catchup any different than the way he was arguing with them _the entire fucking game before that_? in your second to last catchup there's direct questioning that indicates you're suspicious of him.
In post 775, sthar8 wrote:How do you feel about establishing townreads and catching scum through POE?
it's literally my primary strategy as both town and scum
in most of my games, I get a few scum reads but my major focus is usually on trying to form solid town reads and POE the game. usually I get somewhat solid results with it. I also tend to not get paranoid of my more solid town reads after I form them - the end goal being to hopefully be thinking about as many players as close to cleared as possible so that I don't have to worry about going wrong anywhere.
I tend to use a lot of circumstantial evidence in a way that something makes no sense if someone is scum. ex: in a recent scum game, I cleared a town player because of how one of my partners voted (he didn't attempt to save him despite previously posturing to get on the wagon that would have saved him), and I likely would have picked up on the same thing as town and pushed it harder than I did in that game.
