13p Normal [TM2015]

[Egg]

Fenchurch, you have 8 minutes to bus. I'm not switching. Trojan is already voting Thor. It's up to you or we're no lynching.

Preview edit: 7 minutes.

[Egg]

We could have Thor scum and Jason town. I doubt we can have Jason scum and Thor town.

Shit. True.

[Trojan Horse]

No Egg. YOU can switch to Thor. It's up to YOU or we're no lynching.

[Egg]

So Thor alive Day 2 means:
A) Jason town, Thor town. Thor's eventual flip would confirm Jason.
B) Jason town, Thor scum
C) Thor and Jason scum.

Ok, so we only get info if Thor is town.

If we leave Trojan alive and he's town we get....................probably him lynched later anyway???

Lynching Thor is still too risky.

Fenchurch 3 minutes

[sthar8]

Fucking vote Thor already, scumbag. Buy yourself some town points.

[Fenchurch]

if Thor is town, no-lynching puts us in a similar position to if we do lynch him. The claimed Hider has a good chance of dying with a townie in the night.

If Thor is scum, no-lynching is just bad for us.

[Egg]

I don't give a fuck about town points. I'm not lynching a hider claim

[Egg]

Fenchurch or sthar, vote trojan

[Egg]

Dammit.

Unvote, Vote Thor

You guys better be right.

[sthar8]

I am right. Hiders a shit claim. And if I'm wrong, Thor would have played it like shit anyway

[Trojan Horse]

That was quite a game of chicken. Wow.

[DeltaWave]

Horrible, horrible idea to lynch a PR claim D1. There is no excuse for this wagon.

[Nexus]

Votecount 1.17:

jasonT1981 (1)-

Thor665,

Thor665 (7 - LYNCH)-

sthar8, pieguyn, Trojan Horse, Save The Dragons, SleepyKrew, Fenchurch, Egg,

Trojan Horse (5)-

Boonskiies, jasonT1981, VysePresident, DeltaWave, Malakittens

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline is at 6pm GMT on the 14th April - (expired on 2015-04-14 13:00:00)

Thor665 is v/la until 15th April
Fenchurch is semi-v/la until 18th April.

Thor665 has been lynched. Flip incoming...

[Nexus]

Thor665 [Gestalt] - Mafia Goon - Lynched Day 1

Night now falls. It will end in 48 hours, at 6pm GMT on Thursday 16th April 2015 ((expired on 2015-04-16 13:00:00))

[Nexus]

Reminder: Deadline in 12 hours

[Nexus]

Fenchurch [God Save the Black Goo] - Vanilla Townie - Killed Night 1

Day 2 begins. With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Deadline is in 2 weeks, at 6pm on the 30th April 2015. (expired on 2015-04-30 13:00:00)

[SleepyKrew]

dammit

[Save The Dragons]

Overnight I went back on the thread and tried to figure out who might be scum based off of the flip.

Spoiler: Fenchurch part

Fenchurch [God Save the Black Goo]

I like that Fenchurch ended up on the right side of things (I mean I guess Trojan could be scum too and then in that case Fenchurch helped to foster a mislynch; we can cross bridge that when we get there.)

That said, 2 out if 3 of my teammates think Thor is the better lynch. I've been waiting to see which way some of the lurkers wouldgo. Now that most votes have been placed, I'll have a little think and then add mine. (If it's Trojan, I'll ask for a claim first.)

But unless her team is telling her to bus Thor this looks legit.

I generally like her team commentary...but for paranoia's sake I will say if anything there's almost too much...like it's borderline she's coming up with a thought and attributing it to a member of her team. It is hard to pay attention to all games.

Pieguyn [Indecisive]

Pieguyn seemed to consider pretty early on that Thor was behaving as he was because he was scum. Her pushes on Thor made Thor seem like a viable option more than once throughout the day so unless the goal was to bus the entire day to the point of a lynch I'm not sure I'd consider pie scum.

sthar8 [Marshmallow Pillow Fort]

VOTE: Thor

Epiphany. I'm mobile, so explanation and fact checking later.

This vote was pretty dramatic, but honestly it would have looked a lot worse had Thor been town. It is probably a pretty weird time to bus your scum partner right after 'assholegate.' The thor wagon was almost dead in the water at this point.

I am right. Hiders a shit claim. And if I'm wrong, Thor would have played it like shit anyway

This also seems more like "I'm town and saw through that." than "I'm scum and I know I'm right." Especially with the jab at the end.

Egg [Peruvian Flute Band]

Dammit.

Unvote, Vote Thor

You guys better be right.

I guess my issue is that if Egg were scum, he can hardly be blamed by the thor camp for being stubborn and forcing a no lynch. Probably not the safest play if Thor was lynched later, sure. It does give him town cred. If there was bussing on this wagon, it's more likely to come at the last minute than earlier in the game, imo, though.

Save The Dragons [Sickeningly Sweet]

teh adorbs

Deltawave [TBD]

Horrible, horrible idea to lynch a PR claim D1. There is no excuse for this wagon.

I could be fooled, but this really sounds like town frustrated we lynched a claimed PR. It's probably not something he would have said if he were Thor's scum buddy.

The fact that he spent most of his time chasing after me seems a bit reckless for scum; could be someone trying to really force a mislynch through, there's a lot of conviction for someone whom he would know to be town...I don't know.

Boonskiies [TEAM WITH NO NAME]

I've stated why. My team, specifically GuyInFeezer, says that Jason and Mala are town.

I'm trusting it.

This is the difference between Thor, who probably lied about or made up reads from his team, and Boon, who actually looks like he is listening to real reads.

I don't love everything the slot says though. I think he pretty much ignored Thor the entire game.

Micc/VysePresident [The Athenians]

If scum he blatantly sheeps his scumbuddy in the first post

He thinks Thor is scum pretty early based on how Thor is pushing jason

I don't love the Trojan vote but I can't really blame someone who had 5 seconds to play the game.

Micc's thoughts were similar to mine

Trojan Horse [The Captains]

I really don't know. If Trojan were scum with Thor, then I guess they probably wanted a mislynch or to ditch the teammate that was in more hot water. TH keeps saying and doing these things that bother me. His 'let's see what happens' when I vote DeltaWave was odd, but maybe he's just quirky. I don't know. TH might be a counterwagon to Thor, an attempt to save him, and in that case someone who built it is scum.

SleepyKrew [The Cockettes]

I feel town vibes from him, Cephrir does not and is the voice in my ear telling me to be wary of SK.

jasonT1981 [The Kliq]

Thor basically had his vote and his sights set on Jason the entire game. Thor was intending to mislynch him. A bus could be possible but then they're going for the long con.

Malakittens [The Unviggable Vegetables]

A scum malakittens could hide behind a policy of not lynching a claimed PR D1 as a way not to lynch their buddy.

I have seen a hider and a BG in the same setup, it's just a large not a mini-normal.

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VOTE: Trojan

Sorry to do this man, but I feel thor is just a riskier lynch due to the pr claim.

;-;

This post is a defense of Thor's claim, and then a vote and an apology for voting Trojan. This means she doesn't think Trojan is scum, but she's voting for him. It is possible it is because she's settling for a townread. (or a zany theory; a {Thor, TH, Mala} scum team she's apologizing to the partner she is bussing)

[Save The Dragons]

The kill gives me pause, since I convinced myself overnight that Malakittens is scum, but it's a weird move to attack the person directly coming after you.

Regardless, the above probably puts my readslist at the following:

God SSS tier scum
Thor665 [Gestalt]

strong lean town

jasonT1981 [The Kliq]
Pieguyn [Indecisive]

lean town

sthar8 [Marshmallow Pillow Fort]
Egg [Peruvian Flute Band]
Fenchurch [God Save the Black Goo]
Trojan Horse [The Captains]
Deltawave [TBD]

null/undecided

SleepyKrew [The Cockettes]
VysePresident [The Athenians]
Boonskiies [TEAM WITH NO NAME]

lean scum

Malakittens [The Unviggable Vegetables]

VOTE: Malakittens

will try to look back at her ISO and see if I still agree with this assessment.

[SleepyKrew]

I feel town vibes from him, Cephrir does not and is the voice in my ear telling me to be wary of SK.

is Ceph still mad about the April Fools title

Okay but for srs, can you summarize your conclusions and then we can compare notes after I do my own analysis thing?

PEDIT: Thanks!

[Save The Dragons]

Ceph thinks that you're more than capable of fooling people as scum. It's not that I don't, it's just that my gut read is winning out over any fear I have that the SK in this game is scum.

Considering I've PoE'd a lot of the player list, I do want to take a closer look at my read on you, though.

[Trojan Horse]

It's good to be alive.

Given all that craziness at the end of the day, I really doubt scum would've double-bussed their buddy Thor. I'm guessing at least one scum hopped onto my wagon during the final push. I've been going back and forth in my mind between VysePresident and Mala; since my teammates are more suspicious of VysePresident...

VOTE: VysePresident

Jason, who did you protect last night?

[SleepyKrew]

Well, seeing as I'd have to paraphrase it into here if I did it in my PT first, fuggit I'll just do it here.

jason probtown without even considering his claim. ( )
Trojan probtown.
pieguy probtown.
STD probtown.
sthar probtown.

That leaves Egg, Delta, Boon, Vyse, and Mala.

Based on a quick check, Boonskies never talked to or mentioned Thor at all. Not even at the end of the Day, after Trojan caught Thor in a lie.
Egg's vote felt so fucking scummy when I read it.
Vyse, null.
Delta, null.

I made my stance clear. I'm not risking lynching a claimed PR on D1. Too much risk; not much profit (unless thor is scum).

I hate hate hate hate hate hate hate this post.

I skimmed the ISOs. Thor looks like a mess. Trojan feels calculated.

Could you explain how you reached these conclusions?

Delta, can you link to a previous example of you refusing to lynch a D1 PR claim (or a discussion in which you state that you would refuse to lynch a D1 PR claim)?

PEDIT: Why are they suspicious of Vyse?

[SleepyKrew]

Right now, I want an Egg or Boon lynch. Fielders' choice.

[Trojan Horse]

PEDIT: Why are they suspicious of Vyse?

I'll have to be brief for now; I'm about to walk out the door. Oversoul didn't like Micc's lurking, and Tammy didn't like VysePresident's entrance and quickvote on me. VysePresident asked us who to vote for and just went with it; he could've conferred with his teammates at least.