New York 180 (Endgame)

[ika]

goodmornign: kitz
ozgin: dragonspawn, Cheetory6
Cheetory6: Marquis

9 alive, 5 lynch

(expired on 2015-04-21 21:00:00)

[goodmorning]

ika

stop getting pagetops if you're not going to put votecounts in themmmmmmm

what are you talaking about?

[Shinobi]

kind of been preoccupied with things lately but i really think cheetory is scum because vague meta, what at least felt like lurking throughout the shift onto the aeroscum wagon, etc etc

Elaborate pls?

[Ozgin]

@dragonspawn - I'm new. Fairly new, at least. And of the few games I've been involved in, I've been exposed to House only like, 2 or 3 times at most. And you know what? Even I can tell he's a really sarcastic and sassy player.

If you're going to scumread me on sarcasm, and not on any of my posts or House's (non-sarcastic) posts, then you sir are a shitty scumreader. And that's coming from a noob.

I'm pretty sure SW posted her case of Cheetory on here, if not I'll find it and bring it up. She had some good points.

[dragonspawn]

I'm scumreading you for your behavior not house. House just makes it more likely.

[dragonspawn]

We have five days to a deadline and most of the living people haven't voted. What up with that? We can't even analyze votes since no one is bothering to vote. If town manages to win this game we so dont deserve it

[Shinobi]

We have five days to a deadline and most of the living people haven't voted. What up with that? We can't even analyze votes since no one is bothering to vote. If town manages to win this game we so dont deserve it

I know. I'm still waiting for Marquis to give his case because I don't like the Ozgin wagon and I'm having trouble finding alternatives.

[dragonspawn]

Who are your top scum reads shinobi?

[Kitz]

I know. I'm still waiting for Marquis to give his case because I don't like the Ozgin wagon and I'm having trouble finding alternatives.

Why is it such a huge deal with Ozgin for you? Just curious.

[Marquis]

I'm sorry guys. Really not feeling that great about Mafia right now. But I know ika's had a hard time finding replacements, so...

Quick comment here is that I'm seeing a distinct difference in Cheet's activity between here and here, and I think iirc his lurking around the time of when the wagon shifted to Aero is more indicative of a partner not knowing how to come in and approach the situation than uninvested town. There was a lot going on there to have genuine town opinions on. He's not completely inactive sitewide as far as I know.

But then I could be wrong about this entirely. That seems to have happened a lot lately.

Not sure if it's better than Ozgin; the more I see the House comments, the more they stick in my mind. But the Cheet lynch is what I want most.

[goodmorning]

We have five days to a deadline and most of the living people haven't voted. What up with that? We can't even analyze votes since no one is bothering to vote. If town manages to win this game we so dont deserve it

If analysing votes is your #1 way of scumhunting you should try something new.

Anyway we have time and I'm interested to see what TSO says when he gets back.

[Marquis]

Only townreads I have as of now are SW/GC (town slot), TSO (role only), and dragon (select old and most recent behavior).

[Cheetory6]

Quick comment here is that I'm seeing a distinct difference in Cheet's activity between here and here, and I think iirc his lurking around the time of when the wagon shifted to Aero is more indicative of a partner not knowing how to come in and approach the situation than uninvested town. There was a lot going on there to have genuine town opinions on. He's not completely inactive sitewide as far as I know.

Or it could be that I have final projects, assignments, exams and team mafia right now. Not to mention that drawn on arrival was the game I cared about the most when it was currently happening.
Not that I haven't already said most of this in thread. -.-

[dragonspawn]

We have five days to a deadline and most of the living people haven't voted. What up with that? We can't even analyze votes since no one is bothering to vote. If town manages to win this game we so dont deserve it

If analysing votes is your #1 way of scumhunting you should try something new.

Anyway we have time and I'm interested to see what TSO says when he gets back.

He was voting for oz before he left and my guess is he will be when he gets back unless he sees something I missed

[Ozgin]

Cheetory: 2542/2544 is AtE, 3903is more complaining now about game being boring, 4099 certain TSO is scum, 4113 and 4114 AtE, 4122-nobody cares AtE, 4124-it's all unfair AtE, 4188-MORE AtE, 4191-good lord the AtE is stiffling at this point, 4232-WTF? Suddenly TSO is NOT scum and FA looks good?, 4250-mockingly bad vote on FA

Cheetory, can you comment on SW's post here, you may have before but I must have missed it. Plus, I wanna specifically know what your thoughts are on your atrocious AtE that SW pointed out?

[Cheetory6]

Can't really defend my state of mind all that much, but I just want to make it clear that a large part of the reason that I was upset was because my case on TSO was mainly based around his weird swing on ABR and some sketchiness with his explanations as to exactly what he was thinking on D3 and it felt like at the time TSO was trying to redirect attention in a way to discredit my case on him and that nobody was listening to what I was saying as a result of a manipulation by him and because I wasn't doing a good job of conveying how I was feeling at the time. I was also really convinced that him manipulating the argument like that was coming from a scumPOV.

It makes more sense to me now that he may have just felt like he'd properly addressed what I was saying given that I couldn't figure out an exact scum-motivation for why he would suddenly be okay with an ABR lynch. I also just kind of felt like the calm manner with which he was dealing with me being angry just seemed out of character for what I'd read in the scumgames I'd skimmed. So I'm trying to reread him without biasing myself just on those interactions and I feel like he's closer to a nullread at the moment where I just don't know how I feel about him/I just don't feel very confident at all on any kind of read on him.

As for my FA vote, I don't think it's fair of you/others to frame my vote on its own. Anyone reading my ISO can tell that he was my second strongest scumread before I voted for him and I obviously just liked the argument that TSO was making at the time for him being scum. I've been wrong a lot this game. I don't really understand why that necessarily makes me scummy.

[Cheetory6]

Seriously if you want to push that shitty angle on me right now, be my guest.
I think it's pretty shitty to take advantage of me being in a bad mood at the time. You're probably scum just trying to get me lynched, but it still really frustrates me that you're grabbing a case from someone who's not even here anymore, holding it in the air like "oooo man look what I found gotcha" and then not even pretending to make the effort to look at how I responded to it. -.-
Can we just get this game over with?
If Ozgin is town then I'm at a point where I just want to lose and be done with this.

[Green Crayons]

Hi.

I don't really know how to read a game that I'm not going to be reading all 237 pages.

I've tried ISOing a few players, but without actual context, it's... just posts.

Does someone have a list of all the claims people did back whenever that happened?

[Green Crayons]

FWIW, I am actually reading everything that's posted since I replaced in, so I'm not being completely worthless.

[Green Crayons]

And is there a list of anyone/everyone GM has neighborized?

[dragonspawn]

Aero and wolf who you replaced

[Shinobi]

Who are your top scum reads shinobi?

I don't really have one right now, though me asking Marquis for a case should have tipped you off.

I know. I'm still waiting for Marquis to give his case because I don't like the Ozgin wagon and I'm having trouble finding alternatives.

Why is it such a huge deal with Ozgin for you? Just curious.

He's the topic du jour so I don't see why I wouldn't talk about him.

[Shinobi]

Marquis not fleshing out his case hurts my soul.

@GC: TSO is a nonconsecutive vig. GM is some kind of neighborizer. Everybody else is VT I think.

How do you not know who's been neighborized if you're part of the neighborhood?

[goodmorning]

Different neighbourhoods Shinobi, how many times do I have to say it????

[Shinobi]

Different neighbourhoods Shinobi, how many times do I have to say it????

I probably skipped over it because it's kind of a useless tidbit but w/e.