New York 180 (Endgame)

[goodmorning]

It's obviously of some use, given that Neighbourhoods are sometimes capable of making associatives weird.

[Green Crayons]

Alright.

I'm the town 3-shot vig.

TSO is lying and is the SK.

VOTE: TSO

[Kitz]

Alright.

I'm the town 3-shot vig.

TSO is lying and is the SK.

VOTE: TSO

Extremely suspicious for the overly long delay of the counterclaim.
Claiming 3-shot is also counter-productive, with no more basis. Where did your shots go? Why is there an absurd amount of kills?

VOTE: Green Crayons

[Green Crayons]

Uh, I probably wouldn't claim now except (1) I don't really have any context as to what the hell is going on, and (2) I see a lot of people townreading my slot + 2 dead docs, so I might as well be productive while alive.

[Green Crayons]

Also, lol

You want to kill the person who is counterclaiming, who should be autolynched if TSO isn't SK?

Like, how does me lying make sense outside of LYLO?

[Green Crayons]

Oh, you're also the player who thinks that scum are just lying about being neighbors, so that scum are employing the excellent strategy of "if any of us dies, we all get revealed."

Nevermind.

[Kitz]

I'm not townreading your slot and has been suspicious of it for majority of the game.
We have also established things about T S O, and the lack of a counterclaim has been far too long.

I may conclude you might be a mafia killer.

P-Edit : Have you seen how this game have gone? I'm probably the only one who can see past that.
Your slot : Protective, "super town" by absolutely everyone, has not even been attempted for being murdered. If I were scum, that slot would have been gone far early. Neither SK or Mafia wants some "confirmed town" in meta-sense or play-sense roaming about.

[Green Crayons]

I don't even know what things you're referring to regarding TSO.

Further proof that I don't know what the hell is going on. I just know that TSO is SK and I am 3-shot vig.

[Kitz]

I don't even know what things you're referring to regarding TSO.

Further proof that I don't know what the hell is going on. I just know that TSO is SK and I am 3-shot vig.

How do we know you're not a mafia, and probably allied with Ozgin, hmm?
3-shot vig with no basis, yeah... Good job there.

You know, wouldn't Scum already have discovered this role by now? Yeah, another case of "too town, too un-touched".

My suggestion, instead of taking the excuse of "I don't have an idea of what is going on", and "I just know X is 3P", read the game.
Here's a clue : There's far too many TPR. We assume the mafia is very powerful. There was 3 attacks in the fight night, one survived with claim Roleblocked and Healed. There was 2 doctors in this game. There was also a Cop and a Deputy. Town Tracker and a Vengeful. All we seen flip scum, is a roleblocker and a goon mafia.

Your slot has also scumread a few town.

[Green Crayons]

"3-shot vig with no basis" = I have no idea what you're saying

[Green Crayons]

Also, I'm not going to read 231 pages of other people arguing. Throwing that in as if I'm falling below the appropriate standard of play is pretty absurd.

[goodmorning]

w t f

Right, so one of GC and TSO is SK. I'm guessing GC is SK because otherwise SW would have CC'd. It's possible that there are 2 Vigs given the ridiculousness that is Cop+Dep+Track, but I sort of doubt it.

@GC: Claim your (SW's) N1 target.

@Kitz: Ozgin/SW don't claim Neighbours as Scum probably.
Stop trying to Burden of Proficiency people, it's fallacious and silly.

[Green Crayons]

N1 target was pisskop

[Green Crayons]

There was also a N4 target who is still alive.

[Kitz]

Here's a quiz for you :

If you have 3 bullets, why is there a lack of kills (3 attacks night 1, 1 kill per night after)?
Why werren't the super-scummy players killed?
Why can T S O claim Non-Consecutive?

You should have a Neighbor who would tell you stuff. It would be quite a stretch to replace in a game and not even told what your actions were.
A 3-shot vigi in a setup with (Flipped) a Tracker, Cop+Deputy, Vengeful, 2x Non-Consecutive Doctors, a Commuter. Only two Citizen has flipped (Mind you, not VT), and majority of us has just claimed that.
Goodmorning has claimed Neighbourizer, which again is just absurd with all these players, and didn't neighbourize more players out of the neighbour ring, which pinged me a red alarm to that these could in fact be a Scum Circle claiming neighbour (but isn't) just to give the illusion of that. It were extremely obvious that he should've neighbourized more.
T S O claimed Non-Consecutive Vigilante, and he claimed attacking GM who didn't die for whatever reason, and regardless of Vigi/SK we have to take that as truth that he can't kill scum.

See the problem now?

P-Edit :
@ GC, god. Anyone can claim Pisskop. NEXT?
@ GM I would absolutely not be surprised by a 5man mafia team. Why else is one a stupid role Goon in such a powerful town setup?
@ GC again, if it's GM, T S O is the one who claimed it first. Shouldn't SW have claimed by then?

[dragonspawn]

Wasn't expecting this. I don't particularly believe it. For one you aren't willing to say who you've tried to shoot and there really isn't any evidence of another role that's killing people.

and if you do think tso is the serial killer, why not just take him out? Why bother counter claiming at all?

I'll have to give wolf some kudos if you are scum.

[dragonspawn]

There was also a N4 target who is still alive.

which is who exactly? No reason to hold back now.

[Kitz]

There was also a N4 target who is still alive.

which is who exactly? No reason to hold back now.

The reason no one was named is so they could finese their claim after someone gave them appropriate information. Scummy as hell.

[Kitz]

Honestly? N4 and N1 claim? This means that out of N2 and N3, either one or two was skipped.
This makes absolutely no sense as the shots were mandatory both of these days for the super-scummy players at that time.

[dragonspawn]

VOTE: gc

we seem to be getting alot of nks blocked for having no docs left

[dragonspawn]

Why would the shots be mandatory n2 & n3

[Kitz]

Why would the shots be mandatory n2 & n3

Remember the ABR & Math incident?

[Kitz]

Why would the shots be mandatory n2 & n3

Remember the ABR & Math incident?

Oh shit, I just said it loud.

Now they're going to claim having to shot Math.

[dragonspawn]

What about them

[Kitz]

What about them

ABR gamethrew claiming 182510285 different roles and claims, and Math screamed, roared and screamed more about wanting to be lynched, while trolling around.