Signs and Void (Game Over) [TM2015]

[fferyllt]

Ffery....

I don't understand, how could you even think to type something like this:

this feels like you're calling a personality thing scummy.

I have maybe said one thing relating to Espe's personality including both his tone of posting and his personal relations with other players... and that was calling his reachout to tammy patronizing.

As for your other criticisms I really don't appreciate them frankly.

Like this 1 out of the 2:

You agreed with espe's point that titus' reasons for townreading bulba were weak, but you turned it into an "espe is likelier scum" point.

The lesson was bad. So?

Actually I didn't agree with him. I stated as an aside that in general titus' stated reasons for townreading bulba would be weak for me: Replace Titus and Bulba with 2 people of your choice and the result would hold. But the finer point here is what he made of those reasons coming from titus' unique POV. They were used as an attack on Titus much more so than anything else, which is what I found scummy.

Oh the horror! and I was paraphrasing Nacho, how could it be?

I think even a deep and enlightening post about espe would ring a little hollow at this point. one case, on the player with the largest wagon, and then a fade with promises still on the table.

Oh come on. Why the mockery? If you're going to engage me, I expect you to do so with a little competence, especially with the call to rally the troops. I know this sounds stupid coming from me, but I think I deserve more than this.

I dunno it seemed a fitting response to "I don't know how you could even think to type something like that".

So, I think I've made it clear that stuff you've done this game has bothered me. I guess the only surprise (to you) is that when the mental weight on my team slacked off a little, our thoughts turned back to you.

[Shadoweh]

Mastin: In my heart I agree with you and I'm pretty sure that's why I snapped at her. <_< I'm wondering what I'm doing

with my life

in this game going against what I think but Nacho has magic powers when it comes to reads. So does the rest of the team and hey, since every single one of them managed to die before ffery because we've dithered so much, there's truly 4 town icons behind that case, so.

Dan: I've never considered you an emotional poster. I'm just under the impression the general haplessness he's played this game with is similar to how I felt about him in that game. I mean he wanted to out his Sign in one of his first posts.

[ActionDan]

I dunno it seemed a fitting response to "I don't know how you could even think to type something like that".

forgive me for being incensed over seeing a huge wagon form on the basis of something that I literally could not make sense of.

pedit: I understand what you mean, but I guess that a better way to approach this would be to look through the scum games of his and see if something like this exists in any of them. Otherwise, it's meta that can't be relied on over play.

[fferyllt]

yes...seeing the wagon form. :/

[mastin2]

And Mastin!

Nacho thinks that regardless of which of us are correct in our big divergencies in this game, there is scum in the middle ground, and he thinks Action Dan is very likely to be one.

Realistically, yes. That could be where my vote actually will go.

But dreams! Dreamlogic is never wrong. (Okay, so teammate's rather than MINE, but same principle!)

[ActionDan]

yes...seeing the wagon form. :/

no one likes getting lynched. (Unless you're Espeonage apparently)

[mastin2]

@mastin

, can you look at esp/titus interactions in my last post and tell me what you think?

Screw that. I'd be more inclined to lynch you. (Which I wouldn't do given my townread.)

[fferyllt]

yes...seeing the wagon form. :/

no one likes getting lynched. (Unless you're Espeonage apparently)

point being, you haven't posted a damn thing after that wall, until a short while after my call for votes.

[Cheetory6]

Lamesauce.

[mastin2]

GUYS.

PIE AND I HAVE ENTERED A MINDMELD.

THAT NEVER HAPPENS. (Except for maybe one game, if I'm remembering it being pie correctly since there's at least one or two other scummers my memory tells me it coulda been but I'm pretty sure it was pie.)

[Cheetory6]

I KNOW HOW YOU FEEL NOW AD. TO PUT ALL KINDS OF WORK INTO SOMETHING AND THEN HAVE NO ONE CARE AND SNEER AT YOU FOR IT.
I still don't really know if you're town though. I wish you'd work harder to rectify that instead of just giving the impression that you're posting the bare minimum to stay off the lynch table

[Cheetory6]

Plus I don't really feel like reading anymore tonight.
Seriously. I spent all of today and last night reading Titus/Singer/Zar/Empire/Tammy and a little bit of Esp.
I need to get wasted.

[mastin2]

Yep, it was pie.

What did pie say?
Gammy, cheet, Tammy (strongest), vezok, and Shadow town.
Titus unsorted...but DV, UT, and Zar as scum.

On page ten.

THOSE WERE MY READS AT THAT STAGE OF THE GAME.
MIND.
MELD.

[ActionDan]

yes...seeing the wagon form. :/

no one likes getting lynched. (Unless you're Espeonage apparently)

point being, you haven't posted a damn thing after that wall, until a short while after my call for votes.

Well that's not really a point against me. I mean. honestly.

But even still you are always welcome to bash me for my content, if you so deign, on the condition that we simply stick to that instead whatever this is.

[ActionDan]

I'm just under the impression the general haplessness he's played this game with is similar to how I felt about him in that game. I mean he wanted to out his Sign in one of his first posts.

So I skimmed his iso that game. hapless at his lynch? sure I guess, no resistance (~4 short posts around it plus he was ok with dying as long as his scumread died after). He claimed VT to stir things up though, meaning he had a bit of purpose, I don't think claiming sign here is in the same vein but I think the comparison between this game and that one is inconclusive anyway

[Shadoweh]

My team thinks this game is literal cancer but at least they're reading now.

point being, you haven't posted a damn thing after that wall, until a short while after my call for votes.

Question: When we're talking about an occasionally posting lurker who browses Mafiascum on their phone, why would you expect him to post more immediately after making a huge case post on the current wagon before it'd been lynched? I don't believe there was anything addressed at him specifically before that. Noticing there's a wagon on him and actually having a reason to get engaged now isn't a scummy response.

LLD is of the opinion you and Nacho are highly competent fuckos but you can't get good reads off a 112 page game like this. Both her and Grey think this is a town reaction and so do I. (Though the chance of being fooled again makes my stomach knot.)

[DeasVail]

I'll take a look at everything sometime today. Not sure when.

[ActionDan]

Oh btw mastin. I've just been skimming your posts. Did you know that all your scumreads you ever had are voting me?

I was wondering what you were thinking when you said to Ffery that you might vote me.

[Shadoweh]

I think it's relevant. I thought it was relevant to go ISO Esp in both games for comparison's sake. The reason I thought he was obvtown there was the way he was playing so openly so he was at the town's mercy for any screwups. That's still an accurate representation of what he's doing this game, he outted his action, outted his role, and stopped short of outting his sign but only because I shoutied at him. I disagree with his constant Tammy case and the reasoning behind it though, and I dislike the way a lot of his requests encourage rolefishing out of other people. I'd rather lynch him then you at least.

My team says I should say fuck you dad and lead a powerlynch on singer and I really don't know if I can work that up. @_#

[hitogoroshi]

VC 66 (Major Day 1, VC 28)

(7)

ActionDan:

DeasVail, singersigner, Cheetory6, Formerfish, T S O, Espeonage, Untrod Tripod
(5)

Espeonage:

ChannelDelibird, vezorpiraka, ActionDan, Aronis, GuyInFreezer

(Untrod Tripod, Shadoweh)

(3)

singersigner:

Gammagooey, Bulbazak, Titus
(2)

formerfish:

TellTaleHeart, mastin2
(1)

TellTaleHeart:

Oversoul

(1)

Not Voting:

Shadoweh

With 19 votes in play, it takes 10 to lynch. Deadline is Saturday, April 25th, at 9PM CST.

Major Day One Deadline

(expired on 2015-04-25 20:00:00)

Formerfish replaces Marquis. Welcome, Formerfish!

[mastin2]

Btw, pie chimed in and said that Empire's reads were...well, backwards. And said an update around p40 should be incoming.

[Aronis]

VOTE: actiondan

Fairly happy with this lynch too. Oh wait, who am I kidding, it's page 113 on D1, I'm happy with any lynch.

[Titus]

Welcome Formerfish.

Mastina's no longer pushing Singer but FF with a long as fuck Day 1 and FF inherits a townread from me. FFery wants AD which has been a pretty consistent scumread.

Espy wagon falls apart.

I hate singer on AD wagon.
Espy's a survival vote.
TSO and UT are end the day votes.
Cheetory I feel good about despite his issues with me . FF and DV are likely town.


Looking at Espy wagon. The best townie thing about that is GiF.

Singer's not happening as much as it should.

VOTE: ActionDan

[Shadoweh]

Dan's at L-1. Are you going to let him claim before speedlynching him out of nowhere?
Mastin, Espy or Singer?

[mastin2]

Oh btw mastin. I've just been skimming your posts. Did you know that all your scumreads you ever had are voting me?

I did not notice that, but it does indeed make me quite wary.

Honesty, I'm not liking the Esp wagon even though it looks towndriven (by which, I mean, I don't think scum are pushing it but I don't think it's necessarily on scum), and I'm not liking your wagon because it distinctly looks scumdriven.

The far smaller singer wagon is far more appetizing to me.

And honestly?
pie agrees with my reads thusfar. I have my team's support. I have the support of multiple people that I think are town and are in my townbloc. So I kinda want to go through with this,

My team says I should say fuck you dad and lead a powerlynch on singer and I really don't know if I can work that up. @_#

Even though doing so would be betraying ffery and Nacho by going back on my word.

It's like...literally everyone EXCEPT those two that I trust are saying that singer is scum. pie is. Bulb is. Titus is. I think there's support from TTH's team, too. Shadoweh's team supports that wagon as well. And it's my own thoughts, and has been my own thoughts, for the whole game. I've thought it of Zar. I thought it of what I saw from Empire, including the replace-out. I have continued to see it from singer. All those little things which scream scumposting, which tell me that you have to be increasingly delusional to write them off as being badtown rather than what they feel like they actually are, simple scum posting.