Signs and Void (Game Over) [TM2015]

[hitogoroshi]

VC 71 (Major Day 1, VC 33)

(8)

ActionDan:

DeasVail, singersigner, T S O, Espeonage, Aronis, GuyInFreezer, ChannelDelibird, Titus [L-2]
(4)

singersigner:

Bulbazak, mastin2, Shadoweh, Untrod Tripod
(3)

Espeonage:

vezokpiraka, ActionDan, Cheetory6
(1)

Formerfish:

TellTaleHeart
(1)

TellTaleHeart:

Oversoul

(2)

Not Voting:

Formerfish, Gammagooey

With 19 votes in play, it takes 10 to lynch. Deadline is Saturday, April 25th, at 9PM CST.

Major Day One Deadline

(expired on 2015-04-25 20:00:00)

[fferyllt]

Regfan

You are breaking our hearts with this tammy fixation. Why would scum-Tammy be more likely to replace out over espe and not zar? Why wouldn't oversoul want to develop his own sense of the game as well as take tammy's reads into account? would you form your own reads in the same situation?

[fferyllt]

Shadoweh

,

nacho is in love with your iso. he was swooning over it until he noticed one thing: a town read on T S O. Plz do something about this so's not to break his heart.

because looking over his iso we're not seeing jack shit except his call to be booned and his suspicion of titus for some truly shitty reasons. the only other wisp of substance is some suspicion of bulba, which as it happens also looks pretty horrible.

[fferyllt]

Oh and this post

It occurs to me that rolling scum here would have been great for me - with all the big personalities, I could probably slip under the radar.

which happens to look exactly like his play!

[singersigner]

hello Westeros

nacho and I are mentally counting up all the times we've claimed something for the sole purpose of surviving one more game day. we lost count. If tth confirms herself as town tomorrow, of course back off. That's an IF though.

Also, what happened to your Shadoweh read?

What do you mean what happened to our Shadoweh read? We...still have it?

Also, it's not just that she claimed something to survive, it's that she claimed something that could be confirmed and how she's spoken to it since. Maybe it's just an appeal to our egos but the whole "you guys should know what I'm talking about" seems risky for someone pushing for her to claim. It's also the attention she'd draw to herself and associations that doesn't seem as scum motivated in hindsight.

Hell, we know there aren't any SKs in the game, but they'd obviously claim vig to keep themselves alive, which is a confirmable action, but not a confirmable alignment. She seems to think she'll have the alignment, which if town, we're willing to see what happens. Either she eats a night kill because scum don't want to deal with it, or scum have to live with that claim

whatever the fuck it is

.

Preview Edit:
Regfan is dealing with some family stuff right now, but I'll ask him to clarify when he gets back. If I were to answer, I'd probably say it was an excuse to replace out of a scum slot more than anything. We talked about the possibility of a scumTammy preferring to stay in the game because of the satisfaction she'd have of tricking everyone in the end since she's so widely townread, but if it were me, I might take advantage of replacing out after getting to a good "confirmed state" with the game, just so I didn't fuck it up accidentally--it would be worth not having the hyperventilating alone.

[Espeonage]

Sorry I've been awol for a couple of days. Coming down with something.

[fferyllt]

Sorry I've been awol for a couple of days. Coming down with something.

Unvote ad plz.

[Titus]

Ok, we're fucking the whole deadline thing. Ffery hasn't said it, but logically implied such. If she needs a day and a half to do what she wants, that's not fitting into this time.

VOTE: unvote

[fferyllt]

What do you mean what happened to our Shadoweh read? We...still have it?

As in why is it so terrible?

We've made pretty good progress. We're pretty sure we want to see the color of TSO's card flip.

[Espeonage]

Sorry I've been awol for a couple of days. Coming down with something.

Unvote ad plz.

Head still on block, no thank you.

[fferyllt]

Sorry I've been awol for a couple of days. Coming down with something.

Unvote ad plz.

Head still on block, no thank you.

Three votes? c'mon.

[Titus]

VOTE: Espeonage

Can we swing this FFery?

@FFery, regarding 2973, if TTH doesn't confirm themselves as town, what's your position on them? I think this is an exercise in futility given my townread on them, but you won't be around to ask if I am wrong tomorrow.

[Titus]

What do you mean what happened to our Shadoweh read? We...still have it?

As in why is it so terrible?

We've made pretty good progress. We're pretty sure we want to see the color of TSO's card flip.

So you want to lynch TSO now?

[Titus]

**To be clear, what's your position on them means how far would you want me to go in pushing them, hypothetically?

[fferyllt]

What do you mean what happened to our Shadoweh read? We...still have it?

As in why is it so terrible?

We've made pretty good progress. We're pretty sure we want to see the color of TSO's card flip.

So you want to lynch TSO now?

I think we do, yes. this is somewhat foreign because I don't teamhunt, especially on day 1, but that's what we're trying to do - identify a probable team and from there lay out some alternatives for the next couple days. llamarble and nacho are doing the heavy lifting.

Mostly I'm going to be asking questions until we have that sorted. So, guys, please don't take offense at me for not being completely forthcoming. I think it's better to not be a weathervane while we're in sort it out mode.

But, I'm pretty sure that we're not going to want to lynch any of the top three wagons.

[Titus]

FFery, if you're not going to be forthcoming, then you're going to make it harder to follow you. Just be patient with me please.

VOTE: unvote

Is there any chance you and Mastina can agree on a lynch candidate?

[Shadoweh]

The game is at least more interesting now, even without a lynch. TSO was absent for awhile, it's possible he's scum but like, my read on someone isn't going to change when they're v/la for 7 days and not posting during it. Did he post something super scummy that I missed? O_o I'm catching up now.

[Shadoweh]

Re: TTH, I figured out what her role probably is. Please stop having this discussion. It's not going to be vig, unless you really think TTH was planning to fakeclaim killing a town Deasvail and then coming in tomorrow holding up his townie corpse with a happy face.

[Shadoweh]

Preview Edit:
Regfan is dealing with some family stuff right now, but I'll ask him to clarify when he gets back. If I were to answer, I'd probably say it was an excuse to replace out of a scum slot more than anything. We talked about the possibility of a scumTammy preferring to stay in the game because of the satisfaction she'd have of tricking everyone in the end since she's so widely townread, but if it were me, I might take advantage of replacing out after getting to a good "confirmed state" with the game, just so I didn't fuck it up accidentally--it would be worth not having the hyperventilating alone.

Did Regfan seriously say that? That sounds like so much incredible bullshit. Tammy doesn't get satisfaction out of tricking people, she gets guilt trips and spends the entire post game apologizing to peoeple. Her replaace out is quite reminiscent of the game we hydra'd in and she abandoned to let me finish, meanwhile she kept the Cerulean hydra going in Fantasy Camp 2 as scum, forcing herself to hold out. Her history doesn't support your thesis.

[fferyllt]

FFery, if you're not going to be forthcoming, then you're going to make it harder to follow you. Just be patient with me please.

VOTE: unvote

Is there any chance you and Mastina can agree on a lynch candidate?

I think we will agree on a lynch candidate with Mastin.

And I think we'll be very forthcoming, transparently so, very soon. probably tomorrow.

[Titus]

Re: TTH, I figured out what her role probably is. Please stop having this discussion. It's not going to be vig, unless you really think TTH was planning to fakeclaim killing a town Deasvail and then coming in tomorrow holding up his townie corpse with a happy face.

ROTFL...

This made me laugh.

[Titus]

FFery, if you're not going to be forthcoming, then you're going to make it harder to follow you. Just be patient with me please.

VOTE: unvote

Is there any chance you and Mastina can agree on a lynch candidate?

I think we will agree on a lynch candidate with Mastin.

And I think we'll be very forthcoming, transparently so, very soon. probably tomorrow.

Please do. If you agree, I'll vote them. No more tension of which townread to sheep, unless you pick GiF or the townblock (but Mastina would never agree to that anyway).

[mastin2]

YOU CAN.
I KNOW YOU CAN

pie is urging me to give you the one day for what it's worth.

Speaking of which, pie has a scumread on TSO and wouldn't mind him burning a horrible fiery death (lots of little stuff, among it being his "I don't trust Tammy" bits), BUT that said...pie's strongest scumread is DeasVail. There's a fair amount of reasoning, but pie pointed specifically to 1118, saying that it's a, "write massive wall to get townread by everyone when no other post is town" type thing, which if you haven't noticed I agree with wholeheartedly about some of DV's other posts, and we both agree it's scum-DV.

DV's second-strongest scumread (TSO's basically a distant third) is, incidentally, Empire. So dead serious when I say: giving you one day would be exactly that: JUST one day, because we both agree on that read wholeheartedly. Again, remind Nacho when the last time pie and I had agreeing scumreads was, and he should understand. (It was Touhou. I nailed both scum, pie nailed both scum.)

It's worth noting that pie does scumread Titus but I'm overriding that, and is throwing Esp in for the heck of it which I can allow. pie, unfortunately, has no read on Dan, and has both GIF and UT where I'd have them right now, as unsorted but vaguely town. Tammyslot is pie's strongest townread, but it might surprise you to learn Cheet is pie's second-strongest. (Cheet's been a minor townread, so I trust that.) After that comes vezok and Shadow, and then pie's weaker townreads: Bulb, CDB, Aronis, Gamma, and surprisingly Marquis. (I'm sorry, this is a lot of content to paraphrase, so it might not be entirely accurate to pie's exact stances, but it's close.)

pie's only back on page 40, though. So reads subject to change from pie.

What this means, though, is...I'll consider it when I'm caught up.

[mastin2]

I've been turned right off that prospect over the course of this unbearably long Day and the fact that the wagon still persists so heavily bugs me.

(Maybe because it's actually, y'know, a wagon on scum, rather than a flashwagon on town.)

[mastin2]

nothing makes me want to go against someone more than them saying FOLLOW ME I'VE LITERALLY NEVER BEEN WRONG

(...In hindsight, UT not liking to read my posts may suddenly now be a good thing given what I say in them......... )

if Singer flips town will you be willing to give us your support on the next three lynches - The second day 1 lynch and the day 2 lynches?

Explicitly so, yes.

It's not happening, though.