Mini 1653: A Game of Pokes - game over

[vikingfan]

Sure. If Oka is scum and there's a viable bandwagon, his buddies aren't going to sit on Oka for towncred in the off-chance he gets lynched -- they're instead going to (at least one) vote for the counterwagon in an attempt to save their buddy. Make sense?

Yeah. I had forgotten Oka was the CW so I didn't put that together. Did anyone move from Oka to Monkey towards the end, though? That's the place to look if you are going to follow through with this plan...

I looked back through iknal's vc's and it doesn't look like it. The monkeyman wagon came together from people who weren't voting oka or monkey at all but other players instead, like me, former, random, etc.

[OkaPoka]

waiting on that random case on viking before i do anything crazy.

[Aristophanes]

Guys, don't hammer him yet
[Votr] Idget [/vote]

I like he or Oka as today's lynch.
Oka is the better choice imo, as the CWs yesterday are glaring.
It seems people are okay either way though, so here we are.
Care to give is something to work with, Idget?
A claim and some thought/analysis perhaps?

[Aristophanes]

VOTE: Idget

See above.

[OkaPoka]

at least say he is at l1.

[Aristophanes]

at least say he is at l1.

Sorry, I thought I did.

Thats L-1 guys.

[havingfitz]

the attempt at math here makes me itch.

This is math too -

there's at least one more scum on Monkey's wagon

Also THIS:

It is a complete toss up for me between the two of them.

also makes me itch. Given that it's a toss-up between the two, why vote for the one who ISN'T at L-2?

My vote had been on Oka prior to unvoting when he reached L-1 too quickly IMO. That was a ~week ago....my opinion of him and random hasn't changed or shifted elsewhere. They are still my top two suspects atm. Oka's my preference atm. Barely.

[Formerfish]

Finace was in the emergency room tonight. I did not have time to do anything.

[vikingfan]

Finace was in the emergency room tonight. I did not have time to do anything.

Sorry to hear that Former. Is she going to be okay?

[FA_Q2]

the attempt at math here makes me itch.

This is math too -

there's at least one more scum on Monkey's wagon

Also THIS:

It is a complete toss up for me between the two of them.

also makes me itch. Given that it's a toss-up between the two, why vote for the one who ISN'T at L-2?

My vote had been on Oka prior to unvoting when he reached L-1 too quickly IMO. That was a ~week ago....my opinion of him and random hasn't changed or shifted elsewhere. They are still my top two suspects atm. Oka's my preference atm. Barely.

He seems to be everyone’s preference.

Not much else seems to be going on and we are making zero headway past Oka so far this day. I am willing to hammer in 24 hours if there are no objections. We have time left but we are not using it effectively at all and Oka would give us some much needed info.

intent to hammer Oka

[vikingfan]

the attempt at math here makes me itch.

This is math too -

there's at least one more scum on Monkey's wagon

Also THIS:

It is a complete toss up for me between the two of them.

also makes me itch. Given that it's a toss-up between the two, why vote for the one who ISN'T at L-2?

My vote had been on Oka prior to unvoting when he reached L-1 too quickly IMO. That was a ~week ago....my opinion of him and random hasn't changed or shifted elsewhere. They are still my top two suspects atm. Oka's my preference atm. Barely.

He seems to be everyone’s preference.

Not much else seems to be going on and we are making zero headway past Oka so far this day. I am willing to hammer in 24 hours if there are no objections. We have time left but we are not using it effectively at all and Oka would give us some much needed info.

intent to hammer Oka

Random is also at -1 given this scenario (I wasn't aware oka was already at -1, I just thought random was). So it looks like we have 2 lynch candidates for today. What do we want to do at this point? If we're bent on lynching oka, then we should preserve claims for tomorrow. Who do people prefer to lynch? Random has gone MIA so I'm not sure we can expect much out of him.

[FA_Q2]

Nope, that was my error. I thought that Oka was at L-1 not random. Looking back, he is not even close and random is at L-1. Oka only has 2 votes for him. Mine makes 3.
VOTE: oka

He is still at L-3.

[FA_Q2]

I don’t think random is going to give us any info at all and is a sub par lynch compared to Oka.

[vikingfan]

I don’t think random is going to give us any info at all and is a sub par lynch compared to Oka.

The problem is, I don't want random anywhere near lylo. I agree oka is probably the most informative lynch, but if oka is town, I think he could be very helpful in endgame. I can't see random being that, whether he's town or not.

[Formerfish]

Finace was in the emergency room tonight. I did not have time to do anything.

Sorry to hear that Former. Is she going to be okay?

Impacted wisdom teeth cracked and killed one of her molars awhile back. She couldn't do anything about it because she was pregnant at the time, and then breast feeding. The dead tooth got infected and then caused some other shit. More of a scare than anything, but shes going to be alright. I am hoping to catch up before work tomorrow (as in Wednesday).

[Iknal]

Vote Count 2.4
OkaPoka(3): Kop, havingfitz, FA_Q2
randomidget(5): massive, Formerfish, Saul Goode, vikingfan, Aristophanes
vikingfan(2): Wickedestjr, randomidget

Not voting: OkaPoka

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

Kop replaces Kelbris, effective immediately.

Deadline on 28/4/15 1900 UTC+10.
(expired on 2015-04-28 19:00:00)

[Kop]

Nobody hammer till I have got some insight into the game.

Thanks.

[havingfitz]

Mod...that votecount has more than a few errors.

[Aristophanes]

Was going to post this morning, got called into work.

Should be here tonight though. Will do my absolute best!

[Aristophanes]

Alright, I'm back for a bit.
Going through stuff a bit on mobile if it doesn't die.

@Iknal

You should title this thread "A Game of Pokes" for all the prodding and dodging

[Aristophanes]

Ya know, the more I look at Idget's ISO the more he seems scum to me.
230 is disgusting.
Says town needs direction and unvotes, but gives us no idea, no conclusion upon the direction he might think is good. Trying to appear town while not helping.

His meta town read out of the gates towards Kelbris also is just too odd. It feels like failed buddying.

He has multiple naked votes and never came back with his Oka case to follow up the vote.

He also claimed in D1 that he is better once flips happen. He hasn't done anything though since, no NKA, no wagon analysis, nothing. I call shenanigans.

Also, 250 feels like pure poppycock.

I was going to back to Oka because he's obviously going to be a daily distraction, wagon, and near lynch until late game when it may be too late to save us, but Idget is legit scummier at this point.

He should either claim or get hammered, as we have 5 days left.
Of course, hold off for a bit on that so he can get in here and so Kop can catch up.

[Aristophanes]

Post links aooear broken.
Iknal! Haaaaalp!

Plz?

[Kop]

I think that Oka is town, from reading his posts whilst not being good at scumhunting and looking rather scummy, I personally think scum wouldn't be as careless than giving themselves up on a platter to eat from. So on that basis, I think that he isn't scum.

I don't like Policy lynches and it's striking me like that's what he is. However I think it's going to cause a few problems come later in the game, where we are going to feel that his lynch is going to be a case of best case scenario, but I'm hoping that once it does come to that stage, if he is town, to give us a stronger town reading than he is atm, and also give us some strong reads as to why we should look at others and not him. But right now, from what I have read, my strongest suggestion for a lynch, would be randomidget.

[Aristophanes]

Any insights about other players in the game Kop?
Fresh eyes can be a godsend sometimes.

[Wickedestjr]

Hmm, after reviewing your ISO, in post #437, you note that oka is a very weak town read but also acknowledge that oka would be a very informative lynch. Do you still believe this?

Yes, but I would prefer a suspect lynch over an information lynch now that it's day 2.

Any particular reason for this? Or is it simply this previous post?

Post 565

is

my reason.

To start with, I don't get your claim that you weren't expecting havingfitz to hammer. You yourself specifically said it was all up to havingfitz to vote, havingfitz noted RL reasons why he had to hammer soon. What exactly did you expect to happen? When players reference R/L events, I tend to believe them unless given pressing reason otherwise and I haven't seen it this game. also, you can specifiy that you're watiing for a claim when you unvote and people can take it as they will. plus, a little later, you note that you wouldn't have believed a power role claim anyway so obviously a claim didn't matter to you at all.

If havingfitz needed to hammer prematurely, then I would have expected him to say who he was planning to vote - then somebody with more time on their hands could unvote until the claim came. There's no doubt in my mind that havingfitz's activity constraint was legitimate. Also, this game has been filled with mistakes and misreading - if I unvoted, I wouldn't trust everyone to understand that I was only doing it for havingfitz. Finally, it doesn't matter if I wouldn't have believed a claim (I'm pretty sure I admitted that after the hammer) - it's still good practice to claim before lynch - if Monkey had claimed something like tracker or vigilante, then it might have been worth it to keep him alive an extra day even if it seemed fake. I also don't want this town getting in the habit of hammering pre-claim...

But I'm not sure why you're still questioning me on this. I'm satisfied with how the day ended, the hammer issue was just a slight problem for me that I hope is corrected in the coming days.