Signs and Void (Game Over) [TM2015]

[Gammagooey]

Also to actually state my opinion on titus since she might be the biggest wagon at this point

I would probably lynch her too but I have basically negative confidence in my ability to read her given that I can't understand a ton of her thought processes no matter what alignment I've previously seen her as.

[Titus]

No. UT jumped on me AFTER I moved to Aronis.

[Titus]

VOTE: actiondan

Fairly happy with this lynch too. Oh wait, who am I kidding, it's page 113 on D1, I'm happy with any lynch.

VOTE: Aronis

Let's do this.

Yeah there's no support for a TSO townread in Aronis's ISO. He just says he won't vote TSO after pushing Dan because deadline. Not much difference between Dan and TSO as neither were around (although TSO was vla).

UT defending Aronis makes me feel better about an Aronis wagon.

VOTE: Aronis

fuck it

vote Titus

I'm tired of reading her scummy misrepping posts

The dissolving of espe wagon wasn't natural.

Also Titus is probably scum. Aronis seems like a mislynch like TSO was and both TTH and titus jumped on him while UT is on titus.

Really Vezok?

[Gammagooey]

"Lynchbait" is not a towntell with 15 town players to 4 scum.

Also a single scumread defending someone doesn't make them not lynchbait, but mostly that first thing.

[Titus]

It's not a towntell but it's a strong indicator. I figure towntells by logical progression of actions. I highly doubt my townreads will change unless they act inconsistently.

We can disagree on theory and that will fuel you misreading me gamma. My reads are built around what actions I expect to occur.

So what do you think of Aronis?

[Gammagooey]

take a look at who i'm voting and guess.

why are you voting aronis over UT?

[Titus]

I'm voting Aronis over UT because

1) Townblock endorsed
2) The case by TTH removed my concerns
3) Aronis is a larger wagon
4) Aronis giving some reads and opinions beyond let's get a lynch done is good
5) I am trying to work with my townreads/block. Oversoul and TTH I am both townreading. FFery has said Aronis is a good lynch. Mastina hasn't said Aronis is a bad lynch.


Only 2 really applies to UT.

[Gammagooey]

Do you think Aronis is more likely to be scum than UT? (also why)

[Titus]

Do you think Aronis is more likely to be scum than UT? (also why)

Not necessarily but they are both scumreads. UT is basically playing from his Uncouth playbook now that I called him out for being friendly and doing jackshit.

Aronis hasn't done much if anything but his behavior was different.

[Untrod Tripod]

Yeah there's no support for a TSO town in Aronis's ISO. He just says he won't vote TSO after pushing Dan because deadline. Not much difference between Dan and TSO as neither were around (although TSO was vla).

UT defending Aronis makes me feel better about an Aronis wagon.

Voting someone because another unflipped scumread of yours doesn't want them lynched is pretttty awful titus.

scumreading people for weak interactions with your unflipped scumreads is practically the motto of some people

[Untrod Tripod]

there's a certain amount of "I'm going to listen to Titus from now on!" that will happen the more people see you accurately read a game

I can tell you for sure that in my future games with you I'm going to be sheeping your reads to some extent

also I hate playing scum because when someone has an airtight case on you, it's like "well... I know... and I'm impressed by your deductions....but.... I'm gonna have to be an obstinate dick instead"

Sound familiar UT.

It sounds like to me you're not sheeping my reads at all but instead trying to shut down good thoughs.

youuuuuuuuuuu think that's an airtight case?

that's pretty funny

I'm scumreading you. I'm not gonna sheep your reads.

[Gammagooey]

Do you think Aronis is more likely to be scum than UT? (also why)

Not necessarily but they are both scumreads. UT is basically playing from his Uncouth playbook now that I called him out for being friendly and doing jackshit.

is there an allergy to answering comparative questions that I didn't know about

yes or no please, if you personally had to lynch one of them and not the other which would it be.

[Untrod Tripod]

gamma please be town

my poor heart can't take any more disappointment

[Titus]

Do you think Aronis is more likely to be scum than UT? (also why)

Not necessarily but they are both scumreads. UT is basically playing from his Uncouth playbook now that I called him out for being friendly and doing jackshit.

is there an allergy to answering comparative questions that I didn't know about

yes or no please, if you personally had to lynch one of them and not the other which would it be.

I did. I said UT is scummier but that doesn't mean Aronis isn't scummy.

[fferyllt]

tth please explain what changed your read on espe.

[GuyInFreezer]

UT is town.
Titus is not.

[Titus]

UT is town.
Titus is not.

I figured your slot would understand what I am doing more than anyone.

[hitogoroshi]

VC 82 (Major Day 1, VC 44)

(5)

Titus:

Espeonage, Cheetory6, GuyInFreezer, vezokpiraka, Untrod Tripod [L-5]
(4)

Aronis:

Gammagooey, Shadoweh, TellTaleHeart, Titus
(2)

singersigner:

mastin2, Aronis

(Untrod Tripod)

(2)

Espeonage:

ActionDan, ChannelDelibird
(1)

Untrod Tripod:

Oversoul

(Titus)

(1)

Shadoweh:

singersigner
(0)

mastin2:

(TellTaleHeart)

(0)

DeasVail:

(TellTaleHeart)

(3)

Not Voting:

Formerfish, DeasVail, Bulbazak

(ChannelDelibird)

With 18 votes in play, it takes 10 to lynch. Deadline is Saturday, April 25th, at 9PM CST.

Major Day One Deadline

(expired on 2015-04-25 20:00:00)

[fferyllt]

UT is town.
Titus is not.

what is aronis?

[GuyInFreezer]

Null.
Won't mind him eating rope.

[fferyllt]

what are your thoughts about tth?

[GuyInFreezer]

Town

[Oversoul]

OH MY FUCKING GOD I HATE LAPTOP TRACK PADS

[fferyllt]

Town

and why are you scumreading titus?

[singersigner]

Oh geez...the Titus wagon...so juicy...

I'm kind of uncomfortable with who's on it, though. I'm townreading at least 3/5, and leaning town on the 4th, with a null read on the 5th...but I don't really know that I trust anyone's read/case more than Cheetory since he's been the most engaged with the game and actually seems like he's trying to parse through reads. Whereas the others have this semi-absent/disengaged ere about them. I don't know that this wagon is fulled by more than just general misunderstanding or dislike of Titus, versus her actual inconsistencies and hypocrisy., and because of that, I can't really figure out what I trust more.

@TTH, I do.

Name anyone townreading DV but me.

Also, are you implying Aronis is scum who knew TSO was town and therefore whiteknighted?

o/

In any case, Mina comes with this:
(quoting for effect with paraphrasing)
"I think that when singer joined the game, Shadoweh's posting because substantially scummier (from a mildly weak town/null read), so I'm not sure why there's this insistence that I'd have this super power of reading her. It's not like I'm reading the game as closely as singer (the player actually playing in it), and I haven't really even played with her that much...seven games??? I can only think of a couple, one being Pandora, where she looked innocent and sincere until she rode that town cred into a more scum-motivated posting pattern with her passive and scummy stances. Granted, that game was much better for her scum game if she's actually scum in this one, but everything she's done so far sounds easily faked. The first lynch basically was her going "I don't care what happens or who gets lynched but no one is going to look good after I target them ~discredit~discredit~discredit~". THEN her completely turnaround on out slot is no less than convenient after singer picked up a bit of pressure. What little I remember of her town play is that she's more blunt and actually trying to decompose a conversation to genuinely scumhunt, which is severely lacking here. HOWEVER, lately she's seemed cranky, which lends to a slightly less scum read than before, particularly when addressing me specifically (except for the fact that things get lost in translation, and even though singer is a pretty little princess that's worthy of all the pretty little flowers, not sure how the fuck she expects it to transfer from my words to hers

interlude where singer agrees!

). The only thing I really don't really get now is the trajectory behind this stubborn read of singer. It basically boils down to "she's calling me scum so...YEAH" as opposed to everything else/other scumreads which have been more subtle and passive. 1653 was the most damning, with her wishy-washy, all over-the-place-ness, though not as much upon a second reread...just...prickly..."