mini 1662: Paint the village red

[PeaceBringer]

LOL @pressure on Scripten...are you guys fucking serious right now?

VOTE: Garmr

yes, I have seen this happen before. I have never seen scum do this. There is no +Ev for that to be a scum driven play. None. If town was to be idiotic, feel free to lynch gamrer...
there is absolutely no logic or examination of behavior...

[PeaceBringer]

You're right...there is no way scum could have planned that because they don't have a chat...oh no, wait. Yes, yes they do have a chat.This is crazy and if Garmr flips scum (which is like 99%) you're next.

there would be no discussion over that... and usually there is not day talk, so yeah, scripten could do what gamrer suggests, those posts do look odd. Now as to the RVS vote that wouldn't come up in chat at all. Perhaps it is gamrer reading into scripten's actions...
can you please identify me the # of times you have seen scum actually engage in said behavior?
You act as if scum is stupid and that garmer is particularly stupid and would engage in such a high risk action as scum with limited benefit for scum. 1 mislynch going to be worth it? It might make sense if move into next day. And then add in that gamrer did have massive as suspect?
where would you have been on a massive vote? Not gone there at all right, would just be lock and loaded on gamrer...
start using the detail oriented, logical brain of yours and look at the facts and likely motivations...

[Garmr]

Have to ask you a question based on this serious of posts.

Could you please? With Slandaar flipping town, I'm pretty happy to sheep his logic from yesterday. Not only that, but the Slandaar NK makes a decent amount of sense for a scum trying to play toward a fake post restriction or just weird playstyle mode.

What makes you think scum killed Slandaar?

Could you please? With Slandaar flipping town, I'm pretty happy to sheep his logic from yesterday. Not only that, but the Slandaar NK makes a decent amount of sense for a scum trying to play toward a fake post restriction or just weird playstyle mode.

What makes you think scum killed Slandaar?

Either scum or a SK makes the most sense to me. Why would a town vig shoot Slandaar?

Why would a SK kill Slandaar?

Why on day 2 did you think that Slandaar wasn't killed by scum aka mafia I was complementing not bringing this up in case you were a town vig but then I thought to myself. "If he was a town vig and his fiercely scum reading me he would of shot me and not massive and wouldn't of shoot slandaar since you said he could be town."

Basically that whole Convo Hints that you have knowledge about the kills since standard mafia usually has the mafia kill first. Why did you jump at the mention at why a sk would kill slaandar and ignore why would scum kill slandaar?


I am pretty curious?

[Scripten]

Taking that promised look at the scum ISOs. I've decided to spoiler the quotes and simplify the interactions. Let me know what you guys think of it.

Legend

Red Name = scum

Green Name = conftown

>> = Aggression/Distancing/Etc

>> = Neutral Mention

>> = Buddying/White Knighting/Defending/Etc

Posts:

Spoiler: 60

Why would scum announce it through they wouldn't want the heat on them. You voting them is a perfect example as why it's also negative for scum. Radiant cowbells optimal as scum would not to announce it and just vote park till latter on in the game. that way you can avoid a lot of this suspicion.

Do you have experience with RC that would suggest optimal scum play?

Also, VOTE: Garmr, Lynch All Liars and I'm pretty sure his first post contains a lie.

Massive >> Garmr

I've noticed that some scum really like to RVS their buddies.

Spoiler: 61

Why would scum announce it through they wouldn't want the heat on them. You voting them is a perfect example as why it's also negative for scum. Radiant cowbells optimal as scum would not to announce it and just vote park till latter on in the game. that way you can avoid a lot of this suspicion.

Do you have experience with RC that would suggest optimal scum play?

Also, VOTE: Garmr, Lynch All Liars and I'm pretty sure his first post contains a lie.

Well they do say being sexy is a crime and no experience with rc just concluding what I think is logical.

Garmr

>>

Massive

Garmr

>>

RC

Spoiler: 168

Part of me wants to vote for BBT. He and I have never been the same alignment, so that alone probably makes him scum, and I don't hate the idea of sheeping RC.

But then part of me just wants to stick it out on Garmr. Given the interaction between BBT and RC, given the opportunity to dig in and maybe figure out alignment on either of them, why go for the easy third-party vote on Wanderer? Do you think BBT and RC are both town? Or are you protecting one of them?

Massive

>>

BBT

Massive

>>

Garmr

Massive

>>

RC

Spoiler: 172

Part of me wants to vote for BBT. He and I have never been the same alignment, so that alone probably makes him scum, and I don't hate the idea of sheeping RC.

But then part of me just wants to stick it out on Garmr. Given the interaction between BBT and RC, given the opportunity to dig in and maybe figure out alignment on either of them, why go for the easy third-party vote on Wanderer? Do you think BBT and RC are both town? Or are you protecting one of them?

Just because I clash with Bbt with my ego and my read on a player doesn't mean I necessarily think his scum his nullish to me. Also I swear you haven't read a thing at all massive I am town reading RC are you saying that i should vote my town reads?

So the question to you massive is why should I vote a town read/null read over a scum read???????

Garmr

>>

BBT

Garmr

>>

massive

Garmr

>>

RC

Spoiler: 765

Wanderer,scriptian, massive all seem pretty scummy to me

Garmr

>>

Wanderer

Garmr

>>

Scripten

Garmr

>>

massive

Spoiler: 844

I'm freaking sick of people not listing so fuck you all here's what you fucking wanted

VOTE: Wanderer-nl

she's scum

fucking shoot me tonight to put me out my misery.

Garmr

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Wanderer

Spoiler: 867

With ten people left, losing 3 town v 1 scum would put us at 5-2 and LYLO. So I guess it's not such a bad gambit for scum -- it forces us to lynch scum-Garmr after lynching town-Wanderer.

Garmr's suspicion of Wanderer is consistent through most of D1 and it's easy to see her as his night choice. If it's a gambit, he had to plan it out D1 EARLY. If he pushes Wanderer as scummy all of D1, he risks her actually being lynched and his gambit falls apart. No, I think Garmr is a real cop.

VOTE: Wanderer-nl

^ Y'all should actually read that quote there. This was a well-planned scum gambit. Massive's flip couldn't have been accounted for.

massive

>>

Garmr

Some Conclusions

- Garmr is obviously scum. (Knew that already?)
- RC is likely town, considering the nature by which the known scums interacted with her.
- BBT is wavering a bit here. I worry about some of the distancing. Will have to see.

[Garmr]

^That's the worst vote count I have ever seen and Proves pretty much nothing as it has no point.

[Garmr]

worst vote count anaylsis

[PeaceBringer]

I've noticed that some scum really like to RVS their buddies.

really, some scum like to avoid any association with buddy. Weaksauce there unless you can establish that as a massive meta...
you can by and large say about any given behavior "Some scum do that"

[Scripten]

Hm... confscum and my newest scum read speak up.

Where the hell is the rest of the town?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

VCA isn't as great as it usually is because of lack of VCs.

Spoiler: VCA

VOTE COUNT

Slandaar

(1): Unlynchaboe
BlueBloodedToffee (1): RadiantCowbells
unlynchable (1):

slandaar

pisskop

(4): scripten, peacebringer, bluebloodedtoffee, mofonugen
radiantcowbells (1):

wanderer-nl

garmr (1):

massive

peacebringer (1):

pisskop

wanderer-nl

(1): garmr

not voting:

evilpacman, bji

Slandaar (1): Unlynchaboe
BlueBloodedToffee (1): RadiantCowbells
unlynchable (1):

slandaar

pisskop

(7): scripten, peacebringer, bluebloodedtoffee, mofonugen,

bji, wanderer-nl, pisskop

(LYNCHED)
garmr (1):

massive

peacebringer (1):

pisskop

wanderer-nl

(1): garmr

not voting: evilpacman

Garmr (1):

Wanderer-nl

PeaceBringer (1): Unlynchable

Wanderer-nl

(6): Garmr, BlueBloodedToffee, PeaceBringer, Scripten,

massive

,

bji

not voting: RadiantCowbells, Mofonugen

I haven't highlighted Garmr red because it isn't confirmed but, yeah, we know he is scum.

VCA points to Mofo/PB being the other scum.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Scripten, what makes you think PB is scum?

[Scripten]

Hm. Maybe I'm being hardheaded with PB, but I seriously cannot see town holding the viewpoint that Garmr isn't confscum.

If it wasn't obvious, I wasn't going for VCA. I was pointing out associatives. Wanted to try a wholly logical approach.

[Garmr]

Your point were scum like to rvs other scum members? which isn't always true and isn't a solid point at all.

Also that he pretended to believe my gambit just so he can mislynch a player and that makes me scum because????

Not only that but you miss out on some interactions between me and massive.

That's right. It's strange for you to come out the gate at me though, given you know how I feel about you. This feels different and I'm not sure what to make of it atm. I wish you posted more, it takes me so long to work you out.

I blanket-trusted you based on flavor in our neighborhood in GOTG2 and it didn't pay off. I'm not interested in how you feel about me, not right now anyways. And I think someone has already pointed out that there are plenty of egos / vocal players. I don't think the town needs me to lead them.

Not yet anyways.

So the question to you massive is why should I vote a town read/null read over a scum read???????

You haven't said how you read BBT so why would I assume this is even true?

Just like vote parking is a weak sauce excuse vote to begin with when It hasn't even been a whole day yet. But then again it's rvs.

This is weird because you both attacked and defended my action in the same sentence.

Not really weird since I just disagree with your reasoning.

I'm not really to sure your motives behind it at the moment I'm trying to figure out if your thinking on a simple level or being opportunistic.

This implies a null read.

Unsure if you can't read or just reaching for a reason. I kinda expected more out of you massive.

This is him trying to find a reason to cling onto a vote on someone and park it. His answer shows he hasn't been reading my posts carefully which put him in my watch pile and during

VLA VERY LIMITED ACCESS

I put him in my scum list.

[Garmr]

Hm. Maybe I'm being hardheaded with PB, but I seriously cannot see town holding the viewpoint that Garmr isn't confscum.

If it wasn't obvious, I wasn't going for VCA. I was pointing out associatives. Wanted to try a wholly logical approach.

As peace bringer said I just showed your associative tells suck donkey balls.

[Garmr]

as bringer said and I just showed

[RadiantCowbells]

Here's the punchline though.

I'm the (real) cop and I have a still alive guilty.

[RadiantCowbells]

Honestly I was going to try this as a reaction test but I think there's already been too much of this crap from town already.

I'm not cop, but I really don't like how Scripten was setting up for a Garmr lynch before the day even ended.

VOTE: Scripten

Great shot on massive by the way.

Based on the precise way the flip was given, I'm going to suspect that this is not multiball and that we're dealing with a SK or a full compulsive vig.

The targeting could unfortunately go either way because I would expect SK to be gunning for scum either way in this game.

[RadiantCowbells]

Also, Garmr is dead on with that call about BBT. That could easily have been a slip.

[RadiantCowbells]

Just to be clear, I still townread Garmr.

[Scripten]

WHAT THE FUCK?

You know what? Lynch me then. Fuck this game if stupidity like Garmr's fakeclaim is going to get the pass. RC, I don't know why, but I expected better of you.

[Unvotable]

VOTE: Scripten

[BlueBloodedToffee]

This is crazy.

I actually feel like I'm taking crazy pills right now.

What the fuck is going on?

[RadiantCowbells]

I understand your anger.

It's more important to me to win than to enforce arbitrary sets of rules of decorum.

I will say, though, that I have never fake claimed cop and got it wrong.

[RadiantCowbells]

VOTE: unvote

I'm actually seriously considering a policy lynch on Unlynchable while we still have time.

Thoughts?

[Scripten]

Everyone, pay very close attention to this wagon.

I'm still relatively sure that RC is town, but watch as the scum pile on. We've got at least two on here. Maybe three, if PB is scum.

[Unvotable]

I did not have sexual relations with that woman