Mini 1653: A Game of Pokes - game over

Wickedestjr · Post Post #875 (ISO) » Tue Apr 28, 2015 3:28 pm

In post 837, massive wrote:
In post 815, Wickedestjr wrote:Also, if random is a one shot vig and we kept him alive and allowed him to shoot whoever he wanted, then he could accidentally shoot another town power role. If we tell him who to shoot, that is no longer an issue.

Why do you think that us directing random's shot would be any better at avoiding a town power role?

Scenario to prevent: random decides, on his own, to kill Kop. Kop dies and flips town PR. Scum kill a very pro-town VT that same night.

Example of directing: We agree, as a town, to direct random's shot to Kop. Kop responds, "no, don't shoot me! I'm a cop!". random instead shoots scum or a scummy VT. Scum probably kill Kop.

Result: Scum/scummyvt and (probably, but not certainly) Kop die. This is better than the original scenario where Kop and a very pro-town VT die.

Wickedestjr · Post Post #876 (ISO) » Tue Apr 28, 2015 3:36 pm

In post 858, vikingfan wrote:Wicked would probably be the best candidate for that.

I will not be doing this.

In post 866, vikingfan wrote:Random, are you going to shoot Kop? Yes or no? It looks like that's the plan we're going with so I want confirmation from you that you are following along with this plan.

Who said this was the plan we were going with? When did this become "the plan"?

Firstly, I thought you said you weren't on board with the directing plan...

Secondly, Kop is probably town and I would be disappointed if he died tonight.

OkaPoka · Post Post #877 (ISO) » Tue Apr 28, 2015 3:38 pm

In post 875, Wickedestjr wrote:
In post 837, massive wrote:
In post 815, Wickedestjr wrote:Also, if random is a one shot vig and we kept him alive and allowed him to shoot whoever he wanted, then he could accidentally shoot another town power role. If we tell him who to shoot, that is no longer an issue.

Why do you think that us directing random's shot would be any better at avoiding a town power role?

Scenario to prevent: random decides, on his own, to kill Kop. Kop dies and flips town PR. Scum kill a very pro-town VT that same night.

Example of directing: We agree, as a town, to direct random's shot to Kop. Kop responds, "no, don't shoot me! I'm a cop!". random instead shoots scum or a scummy VT. Scum probably kill Kop.

Result: Scum/scummyvt and (probably, but not certainly) Kop die. This is better than the original scenario where Kop and a very pro-town VT die.

kop is vt...

also why vote me

Wickedestjr · Post Post #878 (ISO) » Tue Apr 28, 2015 3:42 pm

In post 874, OkaPoka wrote:then why vote me?

I think you have a greater chance of flipping scum than random/Kop AND I think your lynch is more informative.

I would much prefer lynching vikingfan, but I haven't been able to get support from anyone other than random.

OkaPoka wrote:kop is vt...

I realize that. It was just an example.

OkaPoka · Post Post #879 (ISO) » Tue Apr 28, 2015 3:44 pm

So you think im town, but i have a greater chance at flipping scum
seems legit!

Wickedestjr · Post Post #880 (ISO) » Tue Apr 28, 2015 3:46 pm

OkaPoka wrote:So you think im town, but i have a greater chance at flipping scum
seems legit!

Really? This is not a difficult concept. I think you are town, but my townread on you isn't as strong as my town reads on random or Kop. What's the problem here?

Wickedestjr · Post Post #881 (ISO) » Tue Apr 28, 2015 3:47 pm

Scum are probably in {FA_Q2, havingfitz, massive, vikingfan}.

vikingfan · Post Post #882 (ISO) » Tue Apr 28, 2015 4:19 pm

In post 876, Wickedestjr wrote:
In post 858, vikingfan wrote:Wicked would probably be the best candidate for that.

I will not be doing this.

In post 866, vikingfan wrote:Random, are you going to shoot Kop? Yes or no? It looks like that's the plan we're going with so I want confirmation from you that you are following along with this plan.

Who said this was the plan we were going with? When did this become "the plan"?

Firstly, I thought you said you weren't on board with the directing plan...

Secondly, Kop is probably town and I would be disappointed if he died tonight.

I'm not really on board with it but given the short duration until the deadline, I'm going with it because it seems like everyone else is and I can't change people's minds. That's why I'm trying to make sure random is the one who's on board with the plan because he's the one we're counting on.

Unless you've seen where a bunch of people are on board AGAINST the plan as things stand now. At some point you accept what hte majority is going to do and leave it at that until the next day, similar to what you're trying to do with a lynch on me considering you've tried for 2 days now and haven't gotten anywhere. It doesn't mean you dismiss it, it means you recognize it's not going to happen that day and restart the next day when there's more time and hopefully the town is more likely to listen to you. That's how mafia works.

Let me ask this question: let's say random doesn't post that he's going to shoot. What do we do then? go ahead and vote oka and hope random follows through? Skate with a last-minute plan at the last minute? I don't think enough people will go for that. Unless town has a massive about-face that I haven't seen coming yet.

Wickedestjr · Post Post #883 (ISO) » Tue Apr 28, 2015 4:33 pm

In post 882, vikingfan wrote:I'm not really on board with it but given the short duration until the deadline, I'm going with it because it seems like everyone else is and I can't change people's minds. That's why I'm trying to make sure random is the one who's on board with the plan because he's the one we're counting on.

I thought most players were opposed to directing the shot. Who do you think supports the idea of directing random's shot?

vikingfan wrote:Let me ask this question: let's say random doesn't post that he's going to shoot. What do we do then? go ahead and vote oka and hope random follows through? Skate with a last-minute plan at the last minute? I don't think enough people will go for that. Unless town has a massive about-face that I haven't seen coming yet.

I'm comfortable lynching Oka and hoping random follows through. I don't see any good alternative.

OkaPoka · Post Post #884 (ISO) » Tue Apr 28, 2015 4:34 pm

In post 880, Wickedestjr wrote:
OkaPoka wrote:So you think im town, but i have a greater chance at flipping scum
seems legit!

Really? This is not a difficult concept. I think you are town, but my townread on you isn't as strong as my town reads on random or Kop. What's the problem here?

im questioning the fact that you want to lynch a townread.

Aristophanes · Post Post #885 (ISO) » Tue Apr 28, 2015 4:35 pm

Ive gotta read this last bit, but...

intent

OkaPoka · Post Post #886 (ISO) » Tue Apr 28, 2015 4:36 pm

riperoni

OkaPoka · Post Post #887 (ISO) » Tue Apr 28, 2015 4:36 pm

I have a theory that you should hammer me now so scum can't use these last moments to try and get towncred.

comments?

Wickedestjr · Post Post #888 (ISO) » Tue Apr 28, 2015 4:47 pm

In post 884, OkaPoka wrote:
In post 880, Wickedestjr wrote:
OkaPoka wrote:So you think im town, but i have a greater chance at flipping scum
seems legit!

Really? This is not a difficult concept. I think you are town, but my townread on you isn't as strong as my town reads on random or Kop. What's the problem here?

im questioning the fact that you want to lynch a townread.

I don't want to lynch you. You're just a better option than random and Kop.

Aristophanes · Post Post #889 (ISO) » Tue Apr 28, 2015 6:34 pm

In post 887, OkaPoka wrote:I have a theory that you should hammer me now so scum can't use these last moments to try and get towncred.

comments?

Okie dokie.
VOTE: Oka

Twilight now. Anything special to say?

Iknal · Post Post #890 (ISO) » Tue Apr 28, 2015 6:56 pm

Vote Count 2.8

OkaPoka(6): havingfitz, FA_Q2, Wickedestjr, Formerfish, massive, Aristophanes
randomidget(1): vikingfan
vikingfan(1): randomidget
Kop(1): OkaPoka

Not voting: Kop, evilpacman18

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

THATS A LYNCH.
Write up to come.

Iknal · Post Post #891 (ISO) » Tue Apr 28, 2015 10:27 pm

Discussions were at a low for most of the day, people just getting angry, confused and scared and retracting to think and ponder.

Eventually, consensus was that OkaPoka must have been a member of the conspirators. After he was strung up his possessions were searched, his home invaded but nothing came of it.

OkaPoka, Vanilla Town,

has been lynched. Night 2 begins now, and ends at 1900 UTC +10 on Saturday 2/5
(expired on 2015-05-02 19:00:00)

Iknal · Post Post #892 (ISO) » Fri May 01, 2015 9:46 pm

In the morning when everyone gathers you realise someone is missing.

Evilpacman18, Vanilla Town

, has been killed overnight.

Day 3 starts now and ends at 1900 on 23/5/15

(expired on 2015-05-23 19:00:00)

Randomnamechange · Post Post #893 (ISO) » Fri May 01, 2015 9:53 pm

Goddammit. Either mafia has a roleblocker of Viking is immune.

Kop · Post Post #894 (ISO) » Sat May 02, 2015 1:25 am

So you shot viking which means you were either roleblocked, or viking is immune to deaths? One shot BP town/Scum aligned?

Kop · Post Post #895 (ISO) » Sat May 02, 2015 1:25 am

Or 2 shot possibly.

Randomnamechange · Post Post #896 (ISO) » Sat May 02, 2015 3:48 am

Only other option is redirector and mafia didn't shoot to frame me. First two seem more likely.

vikingfan · Post Post #897 (ISO) » Sat May 02, 2015 5:53 am

Interesting. I also find it interesting that idget doesn't even mention the possibility of a doctor (the most common way someone is saved). I'm not bulletproof so that's not it so either random is lying and is actually scum or roleblocker or doc of some type. And if a doctor saved me (regular, oneshot, or otherwise), don't out yourself please, you'll be marked for death by scum right away and I'd rather keep our PRs in the dark. In any case, assuming idget is telling the truth about being a one-shot vig, his shot is used up now so he's useless. But if he's scum, then the lack of a second kill makes sense. Thoughts?

Randomnamechange · Post Post #898 (ISO) » Sat May 02, 2015 9:07 am

Didn't think of that -_-
I still have mt shot if I was rbed.

Kop · Post Post #899 (ISO) » Sat May 02, 2015 9:45 am

So Random voted for Viking, and Viking voted Random, so Random has shot the guy that both were voting for each other, so let's put another assumption out here, from thinking more about it, it might be far fetched, but I'd like others thoughts on this too, not just from Random or Viking.

Viking sees that Random has voted for him and with random roleclaiming one shot vig, viking may think with his vote being on him, he was the one he was going to shoot, so lets assume viking is scum, to which one of his partners is the roleblocker or viking could be the roleblocker, anyway to which they use to block his shot in case that random shoots him because that's where his vote is, so whilst he is saved, it would put doubt amongst the town that he is telling the truth about his shot.