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[Boonskiies]

How many shots?
How do you know you were blocked?
Who did you shoot at?

2 of those were answered already...X-shot is all we need.

[jasonT1981]

Have you crumbed anywhere, that someone would have picked up on to be able to block you, knowing you were a vig?

[Malakittens]

Also I have errands to do and won't be back til 9 pm tonight so /:

I mean I kinda guessed on the fact I was blocked. I mean I doubt there's two protective roles, if Jason protected Pie. I mean SK could be a BP, but I usually don't see a BG and a BP together, so I kinda assumed RB'd because he didn't die

[Malakittens]

I usually don't crumb Vig roles because of ~history~. I did crumb opening of D2 I wanted to sort SK but it didn't go as planned, but other than that no. I didn't crumbthis game.

[sthar8]

@sthar8 - It looks unlikely Egg will be todays lynch.. which between Mala and Delta would you feel is most likely to be scum?

Delta. I was absolutely planning on voting mala to shut pie up.

I feel like this was pretty clear in my posts.

like, super fucking clear.

I need to review the mala claim. i believe the role in the setup, but i gotta check the play.

[DeltaWave]

Picking up prod. Interesting claim. I will analyze.

Can we all agree that Boon needs to go?

[sthar8]

OK. I wanna see Egg and DW's reactions to the claim before I out my own conclusions.

[Egg]

Trojan, you're right. It's entirely possible Jason and Thor cross bussed and both fakeclaimed power roles right before deadline. But I'm not really entertaining that on Day 2. Maybe later in the game if all of my scum reads flip town and we're completely stuck, it's something I'd look at. But for right now, I'm considering Jason obvtown and nowhere near my lynch pool. Pie makes a pretty good point about him not being counterclaimed too.

So. Mala's claim. Hmm. In a normal setup where there can't be a SK, that's actually a very provable claim. That is, unless scum keep RBing her or she claims as much. I dunno. Pie, what do you think?

[SleepyKrew]

Why would you shoot me D:

[SleepyKrew]

Also is there a scenario where I as non-BP town can believe Mala's claim?
I guess if she got blocked but why would they block her and not jason
Unless jason is scum but I'd rather not go down that road

[sthar8]

I can think of two.

[SleepyKrew]

I think SK is likely town

This was less than 2 hours before the D1 deadline btw

[SleepyKrew]

I can think of two.

Please share

[SleepyKrew]

My current theory is that scum Mala forgot that she only started pushing me D2

[sthar8]

town blocking role thinking mala is scum or a second town protective targeting you.

p-edit dont let pie hear that. scum can't make mistakes, remember

[SleepyKrew]

Town blocking role is a bit tough to believe (but should definitely claim if it exists).
A second protective role is also hard to believe.

[sthar8]

Town blocking role is a bit tough to believe (but should definitely claim if it exists).

logic me through the parenthetical please.

[SleepyKrew]

I was gonna say they can claim the block and then Mala could prove she's town tonight but the hypothetical town RB wouldn't actually need to claim for that to work, would they? So nvm

[jasonT1981]

@Mala - does being role blocked use up the shot. Or since it was blocked, do you still have this shot.

While my team agrees the actual shot number is not important, it is important to know if it is 1 shot or more than 1 shot.

[Egg]

I'm finding myself agreeing with Sleepykrew. Why block an unclaimed player over a claimed power role? The only way it makes sense is a town RB (probably meaning Jason's claim is fake) or Jason being scum (because obviously they wouldn't block him in that case). And if Sleepykrew was town two hours before deadline, shooting him makes no sense. Basically, I'm in complete agreement with Sleepykrew right now

[sthar8]

For fucks sake

[Egg]

Sthar, walk me through your thought process. Are you for some reason assuming we have either two protective roles or a town RB+bodyguard? Because one of Mala and Jason being scum seems more likely to me.

[jasonT1981]

I think SK is likely town

This was less than 2 hours before the D1 deadline btw

well shit, I agree on something with SK, looking further into it

I usually don't crumb Vig roles because of ~history~. I did crumb opening of D2 I wanted to sort SK but it didn't go as planned, but other than that no. I didn't crumbthis game.

Oh and I was trying to sort out SK last night, but my rereading didn't bring anything productive.

from town right before end of D1, to reading to sort... to a vig attempt N1.

What changed between the final hours of D1, your re-read to 'sort' SK but couldn't get anything productive, to the submission of a kill on someone you couldn't 'sort' with a re-read and then attampted to kill.

Work us through the process of being town, to a vig target.

[pieguyn]

that claim is bullshit. for several reasons including the fact that she didn't even appear to have a scum read on SK at that point in the game.

lynch it with fire. under usual circumstances I'd consider leaving a vig claim alive, but that won't work here for reasons which I'll explain in my next post, wanted to get this out immediately

[pieguyn]

So. Mala's claim. Hmm. In a normal setup where there can't be a SK, that's actually a very provable claim. That is, unless scum keep RBing her or she claims as much. I dunno. Pie, what do you think?

first off, I don't think there's any universe where scum would RB Mala here - I could maybe see it, but her main scum read D1 was Fen who is known to be town.

but, OK. suppose Mala actually is town and scum did RB Mala here. now that she claimed, what exactly is going to happen? they'll just RB her again and we'll be stuck in the ass tomorrow with no additional knowledge of whether Mala's claim is actually legit or not. this will likely continue happening as long as the RB is alive. so I don't really think leaving her alive would do anything. this is the case even if we lynch scum today (since if Mala is scum here there almost assuredly isn't a scum roleblocker) unless Mala is town and we do manage to hit the RB (which I'm not really counting on).

there's also the issue of shooting SK. she apparently: didn't declare a read on him D1, then saw it fit to shoot him N1. I'm OK with that. but the thing is, after that she apparently figured she got RB'ed and... decided SK WASN'T scum anymore for whatever reason... on D2? (972)

you usually wouldn't shoot someone unless you thought they were scum, and you wouldn't think someone is LESS likely scum after getting fucking roleblocked. the progression here doesn't make any sense. if she actually had the reads she had, she likely should have shot Egg or Delta instead. I'm meh on the crumb; I could see it going either way. it's either coming from scum who just posted that bc they thought they would as town, and then went back and chose their vig target bc they saw it as a viable fake-crumb, or it's legit, so I'm not reading much into it.