Signs and Void (Game Over) [TM2015]

[mastin2]

Look.

I'm at Bane-3.
If I get to Bane-1.

I'm claiming.
Period.
Then you'll facepalm.
And wish.

Really, really, REALLY strongly.

That you HADN'T made me.
I'm not getting baned today.

Period

.

[Cheetory6]

Should we remove the Lock, which will enable

one currently vanilla Creation aligned power role

, but also enable the Annihilation ability Duplicate?

In order for TTH to be scum faking this role, she would have to know for a fact that town wouldn't counterclaim her.
This means that the VT who could counterclaim her would have to not know that they were the VT that could have been upgraded by this choice.
Which would mean that TTH would have to assume with certainty that we wouldn't choose to unlock the choice which would be super fucking risky.
I just really can't imagine that sequence of events being a thing and that TTH would be able to predict that sequence of events working out that way as scum.
I'm gonna occam's razor that shit to the bank.

Also, btw, justsayin, I've explicitly claimed having a role similar enough to CDB's that I vouched for him yesterday, so that should tell you, "Hey, maybe DISABLING that would be a BAD IDEA".

*twitch*

[Cheetory6]

I don't know what to do.

[Formerfish]

Sorry, i thought that I found something but I didn't. I had to go back and check asofai because I thought ffery was in that with us and got snowballed by empire. Ffery wasn't in that game though so it was a moot point.

[Titus]

You mean a role as hard to get off as CDBs? One that probably never work?

If all CDB has to do is match a sign to get his ability to go off, there's zero reason for his ability not to go off tonight.

CDB detect minor night one. Gets wrong sign.
CDB attempt major night one. Wrong sign.
CDB then should know Aronis's sign.

If CDB fails to check Aronis, then either CDB or Aronis is likely scum with a remote possibility of a roleblocker.

[Titus]

Look.

I'm at Bane-3.
If I get to Bane-1.

I'm claiming.
Period.
Then you'll facepalm.
And wish.

Really, really, REALLY strongly.

That you HADN'T made me.
I'm not getting baned today.

Period

.

No you're not. I'd volunteer to be baned first.

[Oversoul]

I don't know what to do.

Part of me says spite her, part of me says believe her. Then another part of me says spite her in a way she never saw coming.

[Cheetory6]

Holy shit this is exactly what we didn't want this bane to turn into are you guys fucking kidding me right now q.q

[Titus]

Should we remove the Lock, which will enable

one currently vanilla Creation aligned power role

, but also enable the Annihilation ability Duplicate?

In order for TTH to be scum faking this role, she would have to know for a fact that town wouldn't counterclaim her.
This means that the VT who could counterclaim her would have to not know that they were the VT that could have been upgraded by this choice.
Which would mean that TTH would have to assume with certainty that we wouldn't choose to unlock the choice which would be super fucking risky.
I just really can't imagine that sequence of events being a thing and that TTH would be able to predict that sequence of events working out that way as scum.
I'm gonna occam's razor that shit to the bank.

Also, btw, justsayin, I've explicitly claimed having a role similar enough to CDB's that I vouched for him yesterday, so that should tell you, "Hey, maybe DISABLING that would be a BAD IDEA".

*twitch*

That's fine for a town read for now. It's just not conftown. That's my point.

[Titus]

Holy shit this is exactly what we didn't want this bane to turn into are you guys fucking kidding me right now q.q

I agree. I'm not letting my townread get baned when it could have this far negative impact and no real upside given Mastina's not subtle crumbs. So Mastina's not claiming.

[mastin2]

No duh. I just had to rant and scream at you all day to get people to listen to it.

She's confirmed town now, Mastin. Had nothing to do with you ranting or screaming about it.

Does it?
DOES IT?

Who was it who dismantled the TTH wagon

before

she softclaimed?
Who was it who kept on pushing that wagon away from existence time and time again, even after the softclaim?
Who defended her without using the softclaim as a reason, off of her PLAY not her softclaimed role?

Yeah, I can be a bit bitter that people aren't acknowledging that.

[Titus]

Ok, Mastina, I'm logging off here. Just cool your jets. I can see you're getting pissed. We can rebuild things. Just take it one step at a time.

[mastin2]

You mean a role as hard to get off as CDBs? One that probably never work?

Not saying.

But it's a broken role if used properly.

I don't make that claim lightly.

[mastin2]

I don't know what to do.

Prove you're scum by continuing to banevote me, or in the chance you're town unvote me.

[Cheetory6]

I'm not even voting for you.

[Cheetory6]

I probably deserve the hostility after end of last major day cycle but zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[ChannelDelibird]

OK, looks like TTH is town then.

No duh. I just had to rant and scream at you all day to get people to listen to it.

You had sod-all to do with it, thanks.

3) why are so few people talking about how infuriatingly antitown mastin was at the end of Yesterday?

Because people know my stances about lynches by now.

I don't give a damn about no-lynches D1, or any day particularly. I'd rather them than on town. But if possible, I prefer on scum. And I deemed DV a viable scumwagon. There's a reason I'm not baning DV.

Well everyone else does, and this is a team game, so how about you stop acting like you're God's gift and compromise for everyone's sake. Christ, you're infuriating.

Unbane
Bane: Espeonage

[ChannelDelibird]

If all CDB has to do is match a sign to get his ability to go off, there's zero reason for his ability not to go off tonight.

CDB detect minor night one. Gets wrong sign.
CDB attempt major night one. Wrong sign.
CDB then should know Aronis's sign.

If CDB fails to check Aronis, then either CDB or Aronis is likely scum with a remote possibility of a roleblocker.

What are you talking about? I got Aronis's sign on Minor Night 1.

[mastin2]

You had sod-all to do with it, thanks.

Really now? Read my damn iso and tell that to me again.
DARE. you. to. There's a reason I was even called a freakin' white knighter of TTH; it's because you can bet your ASS that I was FIGHTING for her being town, above all else.

Well everyone else does

Screw that.
This is a matter of THEORY.
Not on play.
And you can search.
Find a non-scum game of mine where I, near deadline,

don't

act like this if I can't get a wagon going on a strong scumread.
There may be one or two in existence, but they're a rarity for a reason.

Search my damn MD posts for it, too.
I have always held that the stance that, "Oh, we MUST lynch, because clearly that lynch will give us info!" is a horrible-ass, rats-ass-backwards stance to take because no it freakin doesn't.

[ChannelDelibird]

1) I can tell you with 100% clarity that your stance on TTH has affected my read on her in no way whatsoever. She is town because of the claim, not because you said so.

2) I don't care. I'm not even saying you're scum for it. I'm saying you're infuriating. 175 pages in, I would prefer that one flip to 1000 posts about your reads and how great they are.

[Espeonage]

yoghurts said you were probs town cheet and I'm looking for someone to work with. You down?

[Shadoweh]

Ooooooh. That probably means good things for Aronis. I don't really know how stacked a scum team of four would be since my sense of balance in mafia is WAY OFF, but since there seems to be a decent amount of soft-claiming/PR potential, I'd say it's not unlikely that each scum would have some sort of ability, even if it's lite.

My team and I are talking about how likely it is that I might have been blocked. We certainly haven't decided that it's

likely

, because several things have to happen like there actually being a scum roleblocker and scum either getting my sign on Minor Night 1 or guessing really well last Night (though none of those things are individually particularly implausible), but it's certainly possible. But I'm certainly inclined to leave Aronis alone Today.

>_> or there was a proactive blocking of results on Aronis, or he's immune to tracks, or your sign was just detected since at least 3 people have correctly chosen a sign so far just out of claimed people. Deli, have you forgotten that even the goons should be Detecting and/or Tracing rather then no-actioning? The fact that you returned -nothing- makes it much more likely something went wrong.

[Shadoweh]

The idea that Espy is being kept to be a later mislynch isn't a bad one, he's already a target for every single Bane just because he's there. In Fall of Gondolin I literally called him the Mislynch in Waiting. >_>

[Shadoweh]

Also, I don't want to lynch Singer today. Or the tomorrow that will actually count as a Day where that can happen. I want to ignore all the angry shouting and target the people who are skating by in the meantime. I'm not even sure if I'm scumreading Aronis as much as bitterly pressing on wondering why when every wagon on Day 1 rose from the dead people ignored him as a possibility. (CDB is the only one with an actual reason).

[Oversoul]

bane

: UT

Shadoweh, goons should still he detecting so their nightkills + other power roles can function properly